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Post by oldman on Oct 14, 2008 13:25:32 GMT
V pleased to see there's no James Allen muppeting about in the new BBC F1 team - not sure who the guy is you're all non too impressed with though so am off to check him out. Edited to add - have 'generic search engine'd him - oh no, not that annoying twerp! Why him? You may as well just have some berk in a mascot suit just standing there looking gormless for all the help he will be. He will be the new James Allen bain of my life. Except worse - he's a Norwich fan!!! Despair! I've heard Gordon the Gopher for pit lane reporter, and Edd the Duck offering in depth analysis after the race... And roland rat in the Ferrari pit team
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Post by Fraggle on Oct 14, 2008 16:26:15 GMT
Oi! Roland, Gordon and Edd are all quality* and I would take any of them in the BBCs F1 team over Jake thingy or James Allen. Or Blundell come to think of it. Brundle can stay though. I wish they could bring Murray back even if it's only for the European GPs *I still have a cuddly Edd the Duck, an Edd the Duckling and a Gordon The Gopher at home. No, I don't need to grow up - honest! ;D
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Post by oldman on Oct 14, 2008 18:14:49 GMT
possibly a fan of fraggle rock as well i reckon!
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Post by rangers on Oct 28, 2008 18:02:20 GMT
Come on then, one race to go, Lewis just needs 5th place - can he do it. I reckon it's Massas title, and Lewis will not finish the race.
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Post by oldman on Nov 2, 2008 18:49:51 GMT
what a race god knows that was scary
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Post by Milkman™ on Nov 2, 2008 19:01:12 GMT
Big up Lewis Hamilton.
Well deserved, a credit to your sport and professionalism.
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Post by sunbeam on Nov 2, 2008 19:12:51 GMT
Well done Champ. I think we know who the 2008 BBC SP of the Year winner is!
The celebrations of the Ferrari team and then the sudden realisation they'd not won is going to be a You Tube phenomena!
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Post by Milkman™ on Nov 2, 2008 19:16:28 GMT
Well done Champ. I think we know who the 2008 BBC SP of the Year winner is! Chris Hoy, Rebecca Adlinton ? Lewis 3rd maybe
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Post by Kadie on Nov 2, 2008 19:27:51 GMT
What a nail-biter of a race!! Well done to Lewis on a well deserved world championship title (Woohoo!!)
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Post by rangers on Nov 2, 2008 19:32:32 GMT
Well done Champ. I think we know who the 2008 BBC SP of the Year winner is! Chris Hoy, Rebecca Adlinton ? Lewis 3rd maybe hoy gets my vote, from addlington, and - if he wins - Joe Calzaghe. Amazing race, amazing season. anyone who says f1 is dull, is an idiot. Think if Massa has lewis luck, massa would be a double world champion. hopefully, next year is felipes. but begrudging congrats to lewis
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Post by Peacock on Nov 2, 2008 19:43:29 GMT
Amazing race, amazing season. anyone who says f1 is dull, is an idiot. Think if Massa has lewis luck, massa would be a double world champion. hopefully, next year is felipes. but begrudging congrats to lewis Massa had the full backing of the FIA, and Hamilton still won. I've nothing against Massa, but Hamilton deserved it.
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Post by rangers on Nov 2, 2008 19:47:33 GMT
I've been watchin F1 for nearly 20 years, and every penalty lewis got was deserved - he broke the rules more than anyone else, so he got more penalties than everyone else. I had a lot of respect for Ron Dennis, but for the last few years he moans far too much, and cant accept the decisions - and the british media lap it up.
Massa meanwhile has had more break downs than johnny Herbert did - and that is saying something.
Massa is quicker, a better techinacal driver, and a nicer bloke.
Hamilton is a very good driver, and at 23, will only get better. But I just think he got the rub of teh green.
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Post by oldman on Nov 2, 2008 20:35:52 GMT
why is it we brits only like losers like DC and henman with tennis rather than winners like lewis and andy!
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Post by Milkman™ on Nov 2, 2008 20:56:18 GMT
why is it we brits only like losers like DC and henman with tennis rather than winners like lewis and andy! Speak for yourself dude DC - did well as a wingman to better drivers, only won in a superior car, good team player, great charity ambassador. Henman - one tournament wonder, southern flag waver, championed by the beeb when they had no other sports to cover. Murray - needs some lessons in charisma, see the above, he is never going to be a great, I look back at my 40 years and think, Connors, Borg, Mcenroe, Edberg, Becker, Sampras, Federer. Andy Murray will not go down in history (mine or anyone else's as a great). Man Utd, hated although the best club in Europe (at the moment) , and biggest supported in the UK hows that fit in with your theory.
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Post by oldman on Nov 11, 2008 19:58:46 GMT
chris my tennis list is a bit smaller, only the era of borg, connors, mcenroe, nastasie was the golden era although becker was good and sampras they lacked the finesse of the first four mentioned,
if murrey actualy wins wimbledon he will then be great, DC the person yes decent guy DC the driver not ruthless enough to win many or lucky enough to get a top car!
Hamilton first british world champion in decades and he gets flak and scant praise, nothing against massa but if anyone thinks ferrari have not bent or manipulated the rules to get their man on the rostrum they are naive GP1 is a cut throat business and all teams seek to win at all costs!
As for your last one OT filled with daytrippers and corporate parties with the famous prawn sandwiches!
Last example name me another country when a chronically bad ski jumper can become a national celebrity as with Eddie the eagle!
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Post by rangers on Nov 12, 2008 10:18:05 GMT
chris my tennis list is a bit smaller, only the era of borg, connors, mcenroe, nastasie was the golden era although becker was good and sampras they lacked the finesse of the first four mentioned, if murrey actualy wins wimbledon he will then be great, DC the person yes decent guy DC the driver not ruthless enough to win many or lucky enough to get a top car! Hamilton first british world champion in decades and he gets flak and scant praise, nothing against massa but if anyone thinks ferrari have not bent or manipulated the rules to get their man on the rostrum they are naive GP1 is a cut throat business and all teams seek to win at all costs! As for your last one OT filled with daytrippers and corporate parties with the famous prawn sandwiches! Last example name me another country when a chronically bad ski jumper can become a national celebrity as with Eddie the eagle! I think everyone has given Hamilton (GBs first world champ since 1996, hardly decades,and 1st 'proper' world champ since Mansell in 92 (Hill was so bad it was unreal - seriously lucked into that title)) praise, but there is plenty to critisise as well. DC was a good driver, but for the last 10 years or so, in our house he has been known as a 'plodder.' same sort of catagory as Trulli and to an extent Rubens. He was right for RBR, but nver had the outright pace to challenge for a title. Next question - Who gets the final Honda drive and the Torro Rosso drive - Senna and Rubens going for both, Sato, Bourdais and Buemi going for TR, and Di Grassi going for Honda - I would love Rubens and Senna to get both seats, but I think Sato and Bourdais and TR, and Senna for the Honda, with Rubinho getting some sort of mentoring/development role at Honda.
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Post by oldman on Nov 12, 2008 15:17:12 GMT
ruben was for far too long kept in the shadow of Schuey, but judging by this year i think he is the past, senna,bourdais de grassi would be my choices ruben great experience would be brilliant for as you say the development role, have to say never rated sato always thought unlike nakajima he was just a shoe in to get the asian interest and not on the circuit through talent!
What could you criticise about Hamilton has been basically mentored by Ron Dennis to deliver the thing Dennis wanted most I.e. a brit world champ in his car. Yes he may come over cocky or overconfident seems to me a little bit like schuey did and in his case you probably called it singlemindedness and dedication needed to achieve the task ahead of him! He won the title on merit he should have won it sooner except for yet another partial decision over the Belgium GP, a decision that many ex great drivers thought was farcical!
in essence i hope Massa wins it one day i would rather it would not be in a Ferrari but i can live with that, but i am happy that Lewis took only two seasons to get this particular monkey off his back and i feel that he might now go on to be a great driver who will dominate F1 for a good few years!
It is an indisputable fact that with the media whenever a brit becomes the best at anything the media just love to try and bring them down a peg by any means possible, and i feel this has been the case with Lewis and will be the case with Andy Murrey if he continues to improve his game!
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Post by Doughnut on Nov 12, 2008 16:20:57 GMT
What could you criticise about Hamilton For starters he's inconsistent and makes poor/late decisions under pressure. He won the World Championship by a fluke of luck in the last seconds of the last lap. That's not to say he deserved it any less than Massa, both have had their ups and downs through the season, both have had good luck and bad - that's sport. I'm just pointing out that he's still got a way to go before he becomes one of the greats. There are also several more young drivers coming through that could well stop Hamilton from dominating F1 if & when they work their way into good teams.
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Post by oldman on Nov 12, 2008 18:17:51 GMT
would you also say then that kimi won it last year by a fluke doughnut, makes poor late decisions well he is in his second year so by that token can only get better, i believe he will be the greatest driver we have produced since jackie stewart/ jim clarke but time will tell on that one!
As you say lots of good young drivers coming through and that can only be good for the sport and whereas i think Lewis could dominate the sport, it doesnt mean i want to see it year on year like the boring schuey era became!
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Post by sparta on Nov 16, 2008 13:24:06 GMT
would you also say then that kimi won it last year by a fluke doughnut, makes poor late decisions well he is in his second year so by that token can only get better, i believe he will be the greatest driver we have produced since jackie stewart/ jim clarke but time will tell on that one! As you say lots of good young drivers coming through and that can only be good for the sport and whereas i think Lewis could dominate the sport, it doesnt mean i want to see it year on year like the boring schuey era became! So if Hamilton dominates the sport in the manner that Schumacher did, will you dub it boring?
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Post by rangers on Nov 16, 2008 13:58:26 GMT
Only people who know nothing about the sport thought F1 was dull when schuey was dominant. There were 20-odd cars also racing, with some great battles in the midfield. Ok, it would have been nice to see others winning, but still - when looking at the Premiership, for example, the battle for Europe, and to save of relegation, is as exciting as the title race. Its the same in F1, yet people never notice that. Hamilton has the talent to be as good as a Mansell, Stewart or G Hill - but he has a long, long, long way to go to catch Jimmy Clark - To say Lewis could be the next Clark is like saying Vettel could be the next Schumacher - and Jimmy was (imo) a better racer than Schuey. And I'm sure that they will give the tired, cliched, response that they dont want to be the next anyone anyway - they want to be the first sebastian vettel or lewis hamilton.
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Post by sparta on Nov 17, 2008 16:09:57 GMT
Only people who know nothing about the sport thought F1 was dull when schuey was dominant. There were 20-odd cars also racing, with some great battles in the midfield. Ok, it would have been nice to see others winning, but still - when looking at the Premiership, for example, the battle for Europe, and to save of relegation, is as exciting as the title race. Its the same in F1, yet people never notice that. I agree 100%. Had Schumacher been a British driver, no one would have complained it was " boring but because he was German & drove an Italian car...
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Post by oldman on Nov 17, 2008 17:24:01 GMT
Cannot see that seeing as that is exactly what Lewis is being called after winning it just once in a brit car, ok schuey won so many times again once or twice partisan decisions for ferrari then, also the blatant running someone of the track seems to has passed you by, he was a good driver but was he a sportsman?
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Post by sparta on Nov 17, 2008 17:40:55 GMT
Cannot see that seeing as that is exactly what Lewis is being called after winning it just once in a brit car, ok schuey won so many times again once or twice partisan decisions for ferrari then, also the blatant running someone of the track seems to has passed you by, he was a good driver but was he a sportsman? Schumacher was a great driver, Lewis is a good one, but no doubt has the potential to be a great one in time. If you're going to question Schumacher's sportsmanship, then surely you have to question that of Hamilton? You yourself have stated that Lewis has characteristics seen in Schumacher, ie cockiness & over-confidence.
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Post by DaveE on Nov 17, 2008 18:37:52 GMT
Only people who know nothing about the sport thought F1 was dull when schuey was dominant. There were 20-odd cars also racing, with some great battles in the midfield. Ok, it would have been nice to see others winning, but still - when looking at the Premiership, for example, the battle for Europe, and to save of relegation, is as exciting as the title race. Its the same in F1, yet people never notice that. I agree 100%. Had Schumacher been a British driver, no one would have complained it was " boring but because he was German & drove an Italian car... Not really. Prime example is the SPL. You might as well leave the league title in Glasgow because every year it is going to be passed between the two clubs up there. And having Scottish friends, with them saying exactly the same thing (both Celtic fans), surely that voids that statement. F1 has been exciting the last two years, especially the end of the campaign because the title has been decided on the last race of the year. Yes, of course it has helped that there has been a British driver in the mix over the last couple of seasons, but F1 has been a lot more exciting in recent years.
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