Liverpool make the final...again & the Mancs don't

[Dan]

oldman said:

To get back to the point without initially the need to drag up some of your dubious posts from two or three pages back, although i will refer to one comment later. You appear to be making no worthwhile contribution to this debate.

Sigh, i'd actually moved on, but if you insist....

oldman said:

(A) It is West Ham United not and old pop group that paid for their services.

Err....So? It's called 'abbreviation'.

oldman said:

(C) After 35 Million you needed Mrs Full Stop not young Master Smiley, if you want to trade semantics could be an interesting summer my friend.

Forum rules: smilies replace full stops

Anyway, who was responsible for bringing up the subject of intelligence? I do believe that was you my good man. I was merely defending the honour of the members of said 'dodgy low ability' football forums up and down the country.

If all of your posts are going to be the same as this, i can't imagine it'd be 'interesting'...

oldman said:

(D) I would however agree about the standard on here sometimes especially the ones that get too angry and think using swearwords with blanks in them is acceptable. Cannot remember who does that though?

Ah, i get it! You're a very clever man. I'm in awe.

oldman said:

(E) Also sometimes not how they write it, but what they say is quite alarming, such as:
"Liverpool got us chucked out of Europe" (Upshall page 1).
Which may have been grammatically correct but factually inacurate. A group of hooligans with cockney accents wearing Liverpool Shirts does not make it the responsibility of Liverpool F.C.

I do spend time on my grammar, thankyou for noticing.

As for the comment, if you'll take the time to have a look back, you will notice this following carefully-prepared statement:

I've not got a problem with their side at all. It's incredible how they keep producing in europe despite being such an average side.

Did you miss that one?

Arguably, you could claim that they are the responsibility of Liverpool FC anyway. Tickets are sold by the club, and if they sell them to known hooligans then it is their own fault and they get the fine that is coming to them. This is something that has thankfully been ratified recently. It's doing a good job on the whole, the Man Utd problems this year very much seemed to be the fault of the police in the main.

oldman said:

(F) Factually! Hooliganism throughout the English Game got clubs thrown out of Europe. Something that sadly reappeared this year with Manchester United games and was in no way the fault of that club. ;D

I'm not going into the subject of Liverpool hooliganism in Europe yet again. It's been done to death and isn't going any further.

[Dan]

Back on topic however, just noticed this one

oldman said:

just a short list of recent players brought through the youth policy:

gerrard.
carra.
thompson.
warnock.
potter.
owen.
murphy.
mcmanamann
fowler.
phil thompson
etc

some are not still at the club but are still playing at the top

Now that is history as i see it but hey could be wrong!

Gerrard, Carragher, Owen, Murphy, Macca and Fowler i'll give you. Potter is now a very average football league player, Thompson is in the SPL isn't he? Warnock isn't very good and Phil Thompson was ages ago.

But yes, the Liverpool academy is fantastic.

[oldman]

But upshall my friend i simply mentioned that anyone who needs to swear rather than use proper English shows a lack of intelligence. Or you can say lack of wit! Do you agree?

As your hatred of all things Liverpool is well documented i will not worry about your jaundiced re-write of history regarding Heysall even then we had official supporters ticket allocations none of those were sold to cockney hooligans though.

As this year you will note that LFC got 17,000 allocation and i can only think AC get the same what do you think happens to the rest!
I could be cynical but maybe nice little earner for staff at F.A. E.U.F.A. and freebies for friends to sell off whichever way they will be with touts in Athens.

Technically the correct 'Abbreviation' should be W Ham, but hey do not worry about that easy mistake even for a eloquant english speaker as yourself.

Will now finish this meaningless debate you hate Liverpool therefore the fact that we are in yet another final will be quite galling for you, but hey the truth often hurts.

[oldman]

upshall said:

Back on topic however, just noticed this one

oldman said:

just a short list of recent players brought through the youth policy:

gerrard.
carra.
thompson.
warnock.
potter.
owen.
murphy.
mcmanamann
fowler.
phil thompson
etc

some are not still at the club but are still playing at the top

Now that is history as i see it but hey could be wrong!

Gerrard, Carragher, Owen, Murphy, Macca and Fowler i'll give you. Potter is now a very average football league player, Thompson is in the SPL isn't he? Warnock isn't very good and Phil Thompson was ages ago.

But yes, the Liverpool academy is fantastic.

Would say that winning the F.A. youth cup for the last two seasons would demonstrate how good our academy is, of course we have also got a good young nottingham lad, Pennant as well who i gather you do not like.

Warnock, Blackburn rate him! Mellor at Wigan, and if you want can go back to Callaghan, Tommy Smith, etc

[Dan]

oldman said:

But upshall my friend i simply mentioned that anyone who needs to swear rather than use proper English shows a lack of intelligence. Or you can say lack of wit! Do you agree?

As your hatred of all things Liverpool is well documented i will not worry about your jaundiced re-write of history regarding Heysall even then we had official supporters ticket allocations none of those were sold to cockney hooligans though.

As this year you will note that LFC got 17,000 allocation and i can only think AC get the same what do you think happens to the rest!
I could be cynical but maybe nice little earner for staff at F.A. E.U.F.A. and freebies for friends to sell off whichever way they will be with touts in Athens.

Technically the correct 'Abbreviation' should be W Ham, but hey do not worry about that easy mistake even for a eloquant english speaker as yourself.

Will now finish this meaningless debate you hate Liverpool therefore the fact that we are in yet another final will be quite galling for you, but hey the truth often hurts.

Are you saying you've never said a naughty word in your entire life? Don't make me laugh, hypocrisy is a horrible thing.

I'll not deny i don't like Liverpool. Doesn't mean i won't debate about it. You on the other hand can't accept a single thing said against your beloved Liverpool (just down the road from Nuthall ). Rob doesn't like it either, but at least he debates the point instead of making snidey comments

As an aside, who was it that said assumption is the mother of all somethings? The truth is, I was actually on your side during the semi, can't stand Chelsea and what they stand for. Don't let the facts get in the way of a smarmy superiority-complex-ridden rant though eh?

It's UEFA by the way.

Abbreviation means a shortened or contracted form of a word or phrase. Therefore, 'wham' is a perfectly legitimate way of saying it. Can't understand why you wish to keep debating it, but if it keeps you happy...

[Dan]

oldman said:

Would say that winning the F.A. youth cup for the last two seasons would demonstrate how good our academy is,

Yes, i know. That's what i said.

of course we have also got a good young nottingham lad, Pennant as well who i gather you do not like.

Quality little player, but his attitude stinks.

Warnock, Blackburn rate him! Mellor at Wigan, and if you want can go back to Callaghan, Tommy Smith, etc

Mellor will always be an 'almost' player. Not quite good enough for a good side, but just about good enough squad player at the likes of Wigan, Fulham, Sunderland etc... I've seen enough of Warnock to think that he's pretty much the same, just a touch better. Callaghan was over 30 years ago wasn't he?

[Rob #12]

upshall said:

Quality little player, but his attitude stinks.

His attitude used to stink. So far at Liverpool he has been impeccable on and off the field in terms of behaviour.

To get this thread slightly back course, because it's gone about as far off course as Oceanic 815 , what are the predictions for the final?

Not sure of the score like, but I have a feeling Mascherano has a key role in marking Kaka. I am sure he must have played against him for his country so must know his game.

If not, he is about the best hope we have of shutting him down. Much like Tessier and the Steelers, if you close Kaka down, you close AC Milan down.

Think of the thoughts going through AC Milans head. How many do they have to up before they are safe 4-0? Knowing what happened last time will give us the edge and maybe the boost to out do them.

Sod it, I am going for a 2-1 win to us! Or it will be 1-1 and through to pens.

[oldman]

Pennant has been excellent for us, so what has gone before i am not bothered about.

Upshall point is not have i ever sworn at someone, but have i ever tried to post swear words on a forum read by all ages. By the way the answer to that is no. That is not being superior just using the correct amount of decency on a family site. I will leave this discussion with you at this point because we will never agree about these things and i am bored with trading cynical comments.

BTW if you check the other thread about this subject you may realise i actually come from North Wales not so far from Anfield!

Rob would be funny to win on penalties yet again but hopefully we can do it in regulation time.

Rob spot on about MAS but will Rafa see it that way, I reckon 3-2 with us scoring first.

[Ian]

I have a sneaking feeling that Liverpool will win this one without the need for penalties.

As you say, Mascherano is a key player. I thought that he was Liverpool's best player in the semi (as was Makalele for Chelsea) - a big reason for the lack of goalmouth action and the creative players' failure to exert much influence for either side.

It promises to be an intriguing game, might not match the drama of two years ago but Gerrard to lift the trophy again.

[Dan]

aspertarion said:

upshall said:

Quality little player, but his attitude stinks.

His attitude used to stink. So far at Liverpool he has been impeccable on and off the field in terms of behaviour.

To get this thread slightly back course, because it's gone about as far off course as Oceanic 815 , what are the predictions for the final?

I can see you winning it, Benitez has a way of working your lads up for it and Milan know what you're capable of. Whether that will work against you or for you is impossible to call. 3-2 final.

[Dan]

oldman said:

Upshall point is not have i ever sworn at someone, but have i ever tried to post swear words on a forum read by all ages.

No, actually your point was that to swear suggests a lack of intellect. Therefore, if you've ever used a naughty word yourself, you are just as bad. Your words, not mine. I hate to keep re-iterating the same point, but if you continue to change your point to suit your argument, then so be it.

By the way the answer to that is no. That is not being superior just using the correct amount of decency on a family site. I will leave this discussion with you at this point because we will never agree about these things and i am bored with trading cynical comments.

At the risk of sounding childish, you started it

[oldman]

dont worry no risk you do sound childish, i was actually picking up on the grief you were giving one of the mods. Who mentioned the language and as a family man i feel quite strongly about the people who place it on a forum. You can make a mistake in a split second but if you place it on a forum then i believe that is a deliberate thought out action.

[Dan]

oldman said:

dont worry no risk you do sound childish,

But i'm just a mere child. You are the 'oldman' arguing with me. You're just as bad.

You're a hypocrite too. In this one thread alone you've openly laid into two different posters. Is that a good example to be setting to your family?

i was actually picking up on the grief you were giving one of the mods. Who mentioned the language and as a family man i feel quite strongly about the people who place it on a forum. You can make a mistake in a split second but if you place it on a forum then i believe that is a deliberate thought out action.

I'm not going into the whole swearing debate again as it bores me. One thing i will say is that it doesn't happen nearly as often as DoUrden will make out. If you'd been around a little longer you might have known that...

[DoUrden]

It doesn't happen very often. But once is more than enough. Everyone else seems to manage it after one warning.

But thats enough of the arguing from everyone. Stick to the topic or the thread will have to get locked.

[Dan]

Suppose it's for the best.

[sawchuk]

doughnut said:

sunbeam said:

Yes you are missing something. All we're saying is that Liverpool buy success just like Man U and Chelsea. Success in Europe that is; not in the Prem.

By "buy success" do you mean "invest in improving the squad"? If so, then so what? I refer back to my original point - that's what's necessary to compete at the top level in football just as in any other professional sport.

Maybe you'd prefer it if Premiership football went back to the "good old days" when the players were amateurs who played for their local team with a hangover and a couple of cigarettes at half time, then went out and tried to maim the opposition because they didn't have the skill to play as well. If so, I think you're out of luck because I can't see that happening any time soon. You might get close to that watching Forest or County though.

Rob, you're missing the point.

For me as a Forest fan, I honestly don't give a damn how much money Liverpool spend this summer <which they will> nor do I care how much ManYoo, Chel$ki et al spend <which again, they will do>

I do however object when Premiership fans <non-Chel$ki> moan & bitch about Abramovich splashing his cash. Liverpool have spent a shed load of cash since 1998 and Sunny isn't too far off his estimation of £200m & yet they have no league title for it <but have success in Europa>

Chelsea spend crazy money and win two EPL titles <but don't win the CL> and yet Liverpool fans slag Chelsea off "for not having a youth policy blah blah blah, buying the Premiership with Roman's oil money blah blah blah.

Their both hypocrits as far as I'm concerned

[oldman]

we are going round in circles, we are just saying you cannot compare a gradual squad building with an overnight influx of mega money that took a mediocre mid table team to a major force in the prem, this is not hypocracy just fact. It is not that any of this is a moan just a fact of recent football history.

If i was a chelsea fan i would be happy with that and if one of romans mates bought Forest and put in in JOSE as manager you would be a happy bunny.

[Dan]

I actually wouldn't. Obviously it'd be nice to follow a good side, but i wouldn't be happy having a whining fool of a took like Mourinho in charge and i wouldn't like having cheating over-paid foreigners in the side. Forest have always been majority British, i want to keep it that way.

[oldman]

you would not like a successfull team playing europe with all those great european nights then, i find that strange personally, but i admire your principles.

I think you will find now though that most teams in higher leagues have not got a majority british, and that is part of the price to have a winning team i am afraid.

Also technical note not all foreigners are over paid or cheats ( seems a little zenophobic that)

If we take diving, as long as commentators and managers refer to winning penalties and refs do not book or send off players that dive this will continue at all levels. Even on occasions Forest players will have dived for a freekick or pen.

As for the bit about foreign players cheating and diving yes they do but so do Lampard, Rooney, my own Gerrard , Bellamy, Owen, (when fit), cole, (either one) neville(either one) etc etc.

[Rob #12]

oldman said:

As for the bit about foreign players cheating and diving yes they do but so do Lampard, Rooney, my own Gerrard , Bellamy, Owen, (when fit), cole, (either one) neville(either one) etc etc.

You can add James Perch to that list too...

[Dan]

Perch? Dive? Pah!

[oldman]

all fish dive surely, but would never expect a forest player to cheat!!!!!

[Dan]

oldman said:

you would not like a successfull team playing europe with all those great european nights then, i find that strange personally, but i admire your principles.

I think you will find now though that most teams in higher leagues have not got a majority british, and that is part of the price to have a winning team i am afraid.

I dunno, football isn't all about winning. Last nights win was special, so very special. If you win all the time, you don't get those highs. Where is the fun when you win all the time? There's a lot to be said for winning the league for sure, but there's just as much for tasting even the smallest high after such a prolonged low.

Also technical note not all foreigners are over paid or cheats ( seems a little zenophobic that)

Not xenophobic at all, i'm not being entirely serious. As it is, the majority of the Premiership cheats are foreign. The chances of getting a Zola are slim.

If we take diving, as long as commentators and managers refer to winning penalties and refs do not book or send off players that dive this will continue at all levels. Even on occasions Forest players will have dived for a freekick or pen.

Jack Lester for example.

As for the bit about foreign players cheating and diving yes they do but so do Lampard, Rooney, my own Gerrard , Bellamy, Owen, (when fit), cole, (either one) neville(either one) etc etc.

I'ven ever seen Gary Neville dive but the rest are for sure. Gerrard is terrible for it. However, for every Frank Lampard, i could name five Ronaldo, Drogba, Saha, Robben or Diouf types

[Rob #12]

oldman said:

all fish dive surely, but would never expect a forest player to cheat!!!!!

Nah, I was kidding, there was contact but old Jamesie was looking for the pen.

When a player goes over in that situation, it's fair play. There was contact so it's not entirely diving.

[oldman]

de canio goodison park one of the most sporting gestures ever seen on a football pitch/ other side of him though pushed over that ref funniest thing that season.

Zola you mentioned, i know we like to think that it is the horrible people from across the channel that invented cheating but not true, although Klinsman was the first one they made famous for it.

Too be fair those big tough germans still go down to easy Ballack, Hamman, etc. So as we now seem to accept diving or simulation as the guys in charge like to call it, then were the two pens Forest got cheating or clever play.

BTW upshall on the forest thread did i read you saying it was an awful performance at Yeovil but on here a special win?