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Post by belak on Sept 12, 2005 18:30:02 GMT
Great result & it's a great pity that the footie team can't play with half as much heart & desire as the cricket boys did during the Ashes series
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Post by Cookies on Sept 12, 2005 19:18:09 GMT
Great result & it's a great pity that the footie team can't play with half as much heart & desire as the cricket boys did during the Ashes series Agreed, and what a chuffin top weekend of sport: Panthers beat Steelers, not once, but twice! Rugby League - The worlds BEST rugby player (in either code) stars on his debut oop north in sunny Warrington! And the Ashes come home. Oh yeah!!
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Post by spuzz on Sept 12, 2005 21:15:36 GMT
Well the only bad thing out of the last few days is that my week can only go down as i think its reached its hights ;D What a start to a week! Well done lads
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Post by andyd on Sept 13, 2005 9:50:13 GMT
What a day! Again we tried our best to hurl it away (or should that be two Aussie magicians had a good go at mission impossible?!) but KP did a fine job. All I could thing of as he blazed Brett Lee around was how many times I've seen him do it for Notts.
A quick mention to the Aussies though, what a great bunch, had the highest integrity even in defeat. Shane Warne in particular did himself proud today with how magnanimous he was, likewise Glenn McGrath and the rest (those two deserve special mention). After all these years seeing them win and look smug its great to see they lose with such integrity and respect.
I toasted the result last night with a XXXX, nothing like knocking back Aussie beer after knocking back their team!
This day will live long in the memory, a great day for English cricket and a day my old grandad would have savoured...if Notts go on to win the County Championship I think I'll be in tears thinking about how proud he'd be, he was a Notts life member.
WELL DONE BOYS...A FANTASTIC DAY!
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Post by Ian on Sept 13, 2005 12:59:29 GMT
Just been watching the Ashes victory parade on TV. Pretty impressive turnout considering it was finalised at such short notice. The players looked like they had a long night of deserved celebrations. Flintoff was unsteady on his feet and looked well out of it (not been to bed yet apparently) and Michael Vaughan just looked overwhelmed by it all.
Wonder what Ricky Ponting thought to the fact that his favourite substitute fielder Gary Pratt was at the front of the open top bus with Vaughan and Freddie? ;D
The thing that strikes me most is how much of a team ethic there is among the players. Whenever the big stars are interviewed, they always play down their own achievements and talk about the team. Even the big ego-ed Kevin Pietersen kept pointing to Ashley Giles when people were chanting his name.
The boys have done us proud this summer. Although I watched cricket a bit as a kid, the first time I ever really got into it was when the Aussies took the Ashes by hammering us in 89. Since then, they have destroyed us every time. I have been so gripped by this series, and I was absolutely over the moon yesterday when the Ashes were won.
Every one of the 12 (13 if you include Pratt!) England players to appear in this series is a hero. Now they need to take it up another level and properly replace the Aussies as the world's number one.
A word for the Australians as well, they have shown so much dignity in defeat, the England team really won their respect this summer and that says a lot. Shane Warne carried them, never really liked him before (mainly because he terrifies me whenever he gets the ball in his hand) but I have warmed to him this summer - he is a fantastic bowler, a great entertainer and a true sportsman and will be missed.
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Post by Soozie on Sept 13, 2005 13:22:50 GMT
Wow...!!
Was really nervous yesterday when I was at school as I didn't know the score! Was happy when I got home but happier at about 5:15 when I actually knew we would win!! What a result. Never thought we would beat them, especially when we lost the first test. Well done lads, you deserve it! Such an amazing series with both teams fighting 'til the end. Wonderful!
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Post by BeerMonster on Sept 13, 2005 13:47:33 GMT
New paint job for Sydney Opera House !
[ftp]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/collins56/hhhh.jpg[/ftp]
How sweet was that
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Post by DaveE on Sept 13, 2005 20:11:05 GMT
IT'S HOME ...but for how long, if rumours are believed to be true....
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Post by sunbeam on Sept 19, 2005 0:14:37 GMT
Today's squad will be THE 11 plus Collingwood, Batty, Prior, Anderson and if they take 16 then either Key or Loudon.
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Post by sunbeam on Sept 19, 2005 10:39:19 GMT
It is Tremlett, Loudon, Udal and Prior.
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Post by newham on Sept 19, 2005 12:46:21 GMT
Bravo, bravo. Well done England selectors, same old formula as old. If you play for Warickshire/Yorkshire/Surrey you're in the team regardless. It doesn't matter how good a season you may have had elsewhere at an unfashionable county (like Championship winning Notts for example), if you don't play for those 3 sides then you're pretty much screwed.
Honestly, Udal (36 f**king years old) has taken 4 more wickets than Swann (25 years old) this season and can't have many more seasons left in him, who is the sensible pick? It's common sense, do you pick the up and coming spinner or the veteran who will probably play one more season in his career?
As for Prior being selected, looks like Plan A hasn't worked properly, so we'll stick with Plan A and go with Plan A again too. Jones is an embarassment to wicket keepers yet he keeps his place because of his astounding batting average through the Ashes of......25. And to prove that we haven't learned from our mistakes we have a back-up of pretty much exactly the same player, the old batsman who wears gloves type player. Honestly, we're close to becoming the best side in the world and we're just going to f**k it all up if we're not careful, we're making the same mistakes we always do. Read was interviewed by Sky after he dropped Van Jaarsfeld at Kent and he said he was gutted that he'd dropped 3 catches this season! Tell me, how many did Jones drop in one test series? F**king pathetic.
I'm furious with this decision in case you can't tell.
And what the f**k has Vikram Solanki ever done for England?
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Post by sunbeam on Sept 19, 2005 17:07:46 GMT
Bravo, bravo. Well done England selectors, same old formula as old. If you play for Warickshire/Yorkshire/Surrey you're in the team regardless. It doesn't matter how good a season you may have had elsewhere at an unfashionable county (like Championship winning Notts for example), if you don't play for those 3 sides then you're pretty much screwed. You can't say that as they used to say you had to play for Lancs, Surrey and Midd'x. Udal, Tremlett and Prior all play for Hants. Tresco, Strauss, KP, Freddy, Jones, GBH, Anderson and Jones don't play for the 3 teams you've mentioned. Honestly, Udal (36 f**king years old) has taken 4 more wickets than Swann (25 years old) this season and can't have many more seasons left in him, who is the sensible pick? It's common sense, do you pick the up and coming spinner or the veteran who will probably play one more season in his career? I agree it makes little sense taking Udal though he has been by far the best spinner in England this season. However we're only likely to play one spinner in Pakistan so it makes sense for Udal to go to Pakistan rather than fill an Academy spot. England's big hope is Loudon who can bat, bowl and is becoming a useful spinner. He can bowl the doosra and that makes him special. Loudon will benefit being able to spend a couple of months with Udal. As for Prior being selected, looks like Plan A hasn't worked properly, so we'll stick with Plan A and go with Plan A again too. Jones is an embarassment to wicket keepers yet he keeps his place because of his astounding batting average through the Ashes of......25. And to prove that we haven't learned from our mistakes we have a back-up of pretty much exactly the same player, the old batsman who wears gloves type player. Honestly, we're close to becoming the best side in the world and we're just going to f**k it all up if we're not careful, we're making the same mistakes we always do. Read was interviewed by Sky after he dropped Van Jaarsfeld at Kent and he said he was gutted that he'd dropped 3 catches this season! Tell me, how many did Jones drop in one test series? F**king pathetic. Prior is only 22 and has a huge upside. His glovework is NOT Test standard but I rate him as a great batting prospect. He's destructive though he reminds me of KP in the way that he is very leg-sided. England will get to have a good look at him. They know what Read can do so there's no point taking Read as back-up. Read is better off in the Academy where he needs to score runs. Lots of runs. Read needs to show he can score tons and prove the selectors wrong. I expect Read will compete with Prior in the future rather than G Jones. Prior admits his glovework isn't good enough and England can have a look at how good it is. Fletcher and Vaughan have screwed up selections for 2 years, as I said at the start of this thread. We need a new 'keeper and a new spinner before the Ashes begin. Prior and Loudon may be the answer.
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Post by andyd on Sept 19, 2005 17:58:38 GMT
Again the England selectors make a mess of a touring party. I mean come on Shaun Udal? Please. We boot the old boys and then pick him, welcome to English cricket taking a step backwards. Loudon is an excellent pick but I don't think anyone can possibly know why on earth they chose Udal over Swanny.
In terms of the "favoured teams" the only two players in the squad not to come from either Surrey, Middlesex, Hampshire, Kent and Warwickshire or one of the Roses are Paul Collingwood, Harmy, S Jones, Prior and Tresco. Three of those HAVE to be picked and only one is a player brought in for the tour. I'm afraid, as usual, they have gone to the favoured counties rather than the successful players. Ready, Sid and Swanny all had very good claims to a tour place and despite being part of the county champions and having great seasons STILL miss out. Wrong, wrong and wrong again I'm afraid.
Now in some ways I agree with you sunbeam on Ready but at the same time I disagree. Jones is crap. Period. He needs replacing and Ready is the best keeper in the world (I truly believe that), over the course ot this season he has a better batting average than Prior, he has scored more runs than Prior and they have comparative top scores. Now if you are picking on form and or history there is no doubt that Ready is your man. I do not expect Jones to survive the series in Pakistan, not on a spinning wicket, we need Ready there to step in and prove himself, the selectors have screwed it up. Again.
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Post by sunbeam on Sept 19, 2005 22:42:38 GMT
Don't fall into the trap of thinking Pakistan tracks are like India. They don't spin as much and they suit seamers. You also will only have 5.5 hours of light so only 75-80 overs will be bowled which helps keep the quicks fresh. Only one spinner will play and Udal will look after Loudon. Udal incidentally had a great seaon whereas Swann, Batty and Dawson all had slightly disappointing ones.
You can't say the selectors have favoured counties when they're selecting players from 10 different counties. The issue with Read is that he needs to prove he can average 30 in Tests cricket. I'd have him in because I don't think Jones' batting is that good but Read has a chance this Winter to prove his point. He wouldn't if he carried the drinks in Pakistan.
Maybe there's also a personality clash with Read and key figures in the England camp.......
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Post by andyd on Sept 20, 2005 14:10:12 GMT
The issue with Read is that he needs to prove he can average 30 in Tests cricket. You've hit the nail on the head there sunny...and thats something Ready can't do while they keep on with jones and he CERTAINLY can't do if he's not even picked for the tour. Ridiculous decision by the selectors.
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Post by sunbeam on Sept 20, 2005 22:38:44 GMT
The issue with Read is that he needs to prove he can average 30 in Tests cricket. You've hit the nail on the head there sunny...and thats something Ready can't do while they keep on with jones and he CERTAINLY can't do if he's not even picked for the tour. Ridiculous decision by the selectors. He can go some way to proving it on the Academy tour. He's better off scoring 3 tons for Notts next season and averaging 40 than he is hitting one ton and averaging 45! They aren't convinced he can bat at #7. Ironically Read's saviour may turn out to be Loudon. If he 'makes' it' as a spinner then he'd bat at #7 and Read could bat at #8. This is why Loudon is considered as potentially our newest MVP since Freddy. Super Series Thread: SMH
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Post by MP on Sept 20, 2005 23:18:25 GMT
So Chris Read doesn't bat well enough at No7 to hold his place in the England team as a wicketkeeper?
So what the heck in Ian Bell doing in the team as a batsman? He's hardly set the world alight but he gets yet another chance......
Sorry, Bell isn't a test match batsman - period.
Winning the Ashes is a great achievement but the selectors should be looking to strengthen the team and move forward, not jogging along carrying passengers.
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Post by sunbeam on Sept 21, 2005 0:00:51 GMT
So Chris Read doesn't bat well enough at No7 to hold his place in the England team as a wicketkeeper? So what the heck in Ian Bell doing in the team as a batsman? He's hardly set the world alight but he gets yet another chance...... Sorry, Bell isn't a test match batsman - period. Winning the Ashes is a great achievement but the selectors should be looking to strengthen the team and move forward, not jogging along carrying passengers. Bell will be a quality England batsman. He needs to be #5 and he struggled v Warne (who doesn't?) but Bell will prove a lot of people wrong over the coming years. Today's card: link
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Post by newham on Sept 21, 2005 12:23:59 GMT
So Chris Read doesn't bat well enough at No7 to hold his place in the England team as a wicketkeeper? So what the heck in Ian Bell doing in the team as a batsman? He's hardly set the world alight but he gets yet another chance...... Sorry, Bell isn't a test match batsman - period. Winning the Ashes is a great achievement but the selectors should be looking to strengthen the team and move forward, not jogging along carrying passengers. Bell will be a test batsman, just not yet. It's certainly not an ability issue, it's a mental one. He gets out there and sh*ts himself everytime. If he can get over that hurdle then we have a new Thorpe on our hands. I see Bell scored another hundred for Warickshire yesterday....
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Post by sunbeam on Sept 21, 2005 17:07:43 GMT
So Chris Read doesn't bat well enough at No7 to hold his place in the England team as a wicketkeeper? So what the heck in Ian Bell doing in the team as a batsman? He's hardly set the world alight but he gets yet another chance...... Sorry, Bell isn't a test match batsman - period. Winning the Ashes is a great achievement but the selectors should be looking to strengthen the team and move forward, not jogging along carrying passengers. Bell will be a test batsman, just not yet. It's certainly not an ability issue, it's a mental one. He gets out there and sh*ts himself everytime. If he can get over that hurdle then we have a new Thorpe on our hands. I see Bell scored another hundred for Warickshire yesterday.... He's an intense concentrator. The Aussies said he reminds them of Ramprakash. He'll average 30+ in Pakistan and will develop into a quality performer. Remember the Aussies dropped the likes of Martyn, Ponting, Hayden and Langer and they took some time to jump to the next level. The reason why England are sold on Bell comes from when Vaughan batted with Bell in Zimbabwe (I think). Vaughan watched Bell from the other end and decided then that Bell had the quality to make it.
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Post by MP on Sept 21, 2005 22:20:43 GMT
He's an intense concentrator. The Aussies said he reminds them of Ramprakash. I rest my case. Another player who had a cart load of chances and never delivered when the chips were down.
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Post by newham on Sept 22, 2005 14:48:19 GMT
He's an intense concentrator. The Aussies said he reminds them of Ramprakash. I rest my case. Another player who had a cart load of chances and never delivered when the chips were down. A test match average of 27.33 isn't the worst in the world...
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Post by sunbeam on Sept 22, 2005 17:08:43 GMT
He's an intense concentrator. The Aussies said he reminds them of Ramprakash. I rest my case. Another player who had a cart load of chances and never delivered when the chips were down. Hussain and Thorpe were also in and out the side. The only England bat who consistently deliverd in the Ashes was Tresco. All the others were hot or cold. Bell was thrown into the deep end instead of being on the tour to SA. And England don't have any other bats, bowlers or spinners who are banging on the door and demanding selection. Our only strength is wicketkeeping.
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Post by newham on Sept 23, 2005 12:34:59 GMT
Yet we seem content on ignoring our best keeper...There's more to the Read situation than meets the eye.
We do have a few batsmen that could be worthy of inclusion. Owais Shah and Ed Joyce would be worthy of a call up in my opinion...
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Post by sunbeam on Oct 1, 2005 19:41:01 GMT
THE SUPER SERIESsmhI cannot wait for this to begin. It could be fantastic!
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