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Post by newham on May 5, 2006 23:23:44 GMT
I'm not saying Man Utd are perfect, but the way that the Scousers do it is disgraceful.
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Post by Higgy on May 5, 2006 23:26:35 GMT
Not all scousers my dads one and he wouldnt hurt a fly
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Post by Rob #12 on May 6, 2006 10:06:50 GMT
Good argument there... 1) Which fans were resonsible for English clubs being kicked out of Europe for years? 2) Which fans regularily mock Man Utd for the Munich disaster? 3) Which club has the highest percentage of fan trouble in the Premiership? Tell you what, ou seem to view this from one side indeed. Point 1, Do you know anything about the disaster? If you do then you will know that Juve fans started what led to sad event. So in a nutshell you could say they were responsisble for it, however it wasn't helped by the retaliating Liverpool fans. Point 2, That's not just Liverpool fans. Every set fans has their bad core. Each teams bas core are guilty of this, including whatever team you support. Chelsea by the sounds of it. Point 3, can you show me and stats to back up this claim?
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Post by Adam on May 6, 2006 10:37:46 GMT
I dont know about Liverpool fans but when i went to Old Trafford to watch Forest last time they were in the Premiership they were singing... "We went to Munich, We came back alive!" ..That went on for about 3 minutes!
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Post by DoUrden on May 6, 2006 13:28:00 GMT
I dont know about Liverpool fans but when i went to Old Trafford to watch Forest last time they were in the Premiership they were singing... "We went to Munich, We came back alive!" ..That went on for about 3 minutes! Yes but that, along with all the rasict chants from A block when we play Leicester and all the homophonbic chants from A Block when we play Brighton don't support Newhams narrowminded arguement about Liverpool so he's not mentioning those!
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Post by sunbeam on May 6, 2006 18:09:21 GMT
I dont know about Liverpool fans but when i went to Old Trafford to watch Forest last time they were in the Premiership they were singing... "We went to Munich, We came back alive!" ..That went on for about 3 minutes! Yes but that, along with all the rasict chants from A block when we play Leicester and all the homophonbic chants from A Block when we play Brighton don't support Newhams narrowminded arguement about Liverpool so he's not mentioning those! Every club has its muppets. Forest fans made noise during the minutes silence in Bradford today. As for fans mocking Munich; lots of fans do it. Most notable Leeds.
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Post by DoUrden on May 6, 2006 18:17:32 GMT
Yes but that, along with all the rasict chants from A block when we play Leicester and all the homophonbic chants from A Block when we play Brighton don't support Newhams narrowminded arguement about Liverpool so he's not mentioning those! Every club has its muppets. Forest fans made noise during the minutes silence in Bradford today. As for fans mocking Munich; lots of fans do it. Most notable Leeds. Thats my point. All clubs have idiot fans who give their club a bad name but all clubs also have a good bunch of fans. I was just trying to point that out as Newham seems to be letting his hatred of Liverpool blind him to that fact. Liverpool like all clubs have some bad ones but by and large I'd put Liverpool fans up there with the best. No place in the country with an atmosphere like Anfield imo
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Post by newham on May 6, 2006 22:24:51 GMT
I dont know about Liverpool fans but when i went to Old Trafford to watch Forest last time they were in the Premiership they were singing... "We went to Munich, We came back alive!" ..That went on for about 3 minutes! Yes but that, along with all the rasict chants from A block when we play Leicester and all the homophonbic chants from A Block when we play Brighton don't support Newhams narrowminded arguement about Liverpool so he's not mentioning those! Here we go, it's the forum police again. It's hardly a narrow-minded argument when it's shared by the majority of the footballing world is it? The 'racist' chanting from the A-Block was from a minority of about 20 people max and of course is not acceptable. The 'homophobic' (laughable, i hate that phrase) chanting was nothing more than a joke that the Brighton fans take in their stride and exchange banter with, it seems only you find it offensive. For example: "We can see you holding hands" or "Does your boyfriend know you're here?" is fired back with: "You're too ugly to be gay" It's banter DoUrden, live with it and stop being such a PC girl. I guess i'll repeat again, because some of you aren't quite taking this in: Forest fans aren't perfect, far from it. Every decade or so they do something that really makes me ashamed to be a reds fan. The difference between us and Liverpool fans is that with them it's every year you hear about this type of thing. I know the vast majority of Liv fans are fine people, but they all get tarred with the same brush by the scum of the earth that also follow them. Yes, i'm in a ****ing terrible mood today. Yes but that, along with all the rasict chants from A block when we play Leicester and all the homophonbic chants from A Block when we play Brighton don't support Newhams narrowminded arguement about Liverpool so he's not mentioning those! Every club has its muppets. Forest fans made noise during the minutes silence in Bradford today. As for fans mocking Munich; lots of fans do it. Most notable Leeds. Forest fans upheld the minutes silence impeccably today. There will always be a few people who walk through the turnstiles late and don't realise it's a minutes silence but they were silenced instantly. Every club has its muppets. Forest fans made noise during the minutes silence in Bradford today. As for fans mocking Munich; lots of fans do it. Most notable Leeds. Thats my point. All clubs have idiot fans who give their club a bad name but all clubs also have a good bunch of fans. I was just trying to point that out as Newham seems to be letting his hatred of Liverpool blind him to that fact. Liverpool like all clubs have some bad ones but by and large I'd put Liverpool fans up there with the best. No place in the country with an atmosphere like Anfield imo I don't hate Liverpool at all, i detest the scummy Liverpool hooligan element but i don't hate Liverpool. I actually quite like their current team.
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Post by DoUrden on May 6, 2006 22:47:24 GMT
Make your mind up! from where I was sat it sounded and looked like the whole of A block joined in the racist chanting not just 20 or 30.
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Post by newham on May 6, 2006 23:09:24 GMT
Make your mind up! from where I was sat it sounded and looked like the whole of A block joined in the racist chanting not just 20 or 30. Well that's very convenient for your argument. The truth however is that less than 50 joined in from the back of the block, the same morons that did it in the friendly versus India.
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Post by Rob #12 on May 7, 2006 6:51:59 GMT
I know the vast majority of Liv fans are fine people, but they all get tarred with the same brush by the scum of the earth that also follow them. But you said this before: Liverpool fans are scum (in the main) and don't deserve any respect from fellow English football fans. Come on Newham make up your mind. Like DoUrden pointed out, you have made more than one statement that you have seem to conveniently forgot later. You view is shared by the majority of the footballing world is it? Seems like you are the only one on here with this prejudice point of view. Law of averages tells me at least one other person on here would share your POV if your statement were true. So what was it this year that Liverpool fans supposedly did wrong then? Every year my ass. Just because you are in a foul mood (Which doesn't make sense, as you have been sputing this crap over more than one day) does not give you the right to come on here and narrow mindedly bash people for no reason. You still haven't backed up your claims from my last post. I used to have respect for you, not any more. You posting make you sound more like a senile biggot than a decent, respected hockey fan. I will be thinking about the former whenever I see a post by you in future.
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Post by Kimberley on May 7, 2006 9:44:24 GMT
Yes but that, along with all the rasict chants from A block when we play Leicester and all the homophonbic chants from A Block when we play Brighton don't support Newhams narrowminded arguement about Liverpool so he's not mentioning those! Here we go, it's the forum police again. It's hardly a narrow-minded argument when it's shared by the majority of the footballing world is it? The 'racist' chanting from the A-Block was from a minority of about 20 people max and of course is not acceptable. The 'homophobic' (laughable, i hate that phrase) chanting was nothing more than a joke that the Brighton fans take in their stride and exchange banter with, it seems only you find it offensive. For example: "We can see you holding hands" or "Does your boyfriend know you're here?" is fired back with: "You're too ugly to be gay" It's banter DoUrden, live with it and stop being such a PC girl. I guess i'll repeat again, because some of you aren't quite taking this in: Forest fans aren't perfect, far from it. Every decade or so they do something that really makes me ashamed to be a reds fan. The difference between us and Liverpool fans is that with them it's every year you hear about this type of thing. I know the vast majority of Liv fans are fine people, but they all get tarred with the same brush by the scum of the earth that also follow them. Yes, i'm in a ****ing terrible mood today. Forest fans upheld the minutes silence impeccably today. There will always be a few people who walk through the turnstiles late and don't realise it's a minutes silence but they were silenced instantly. Thats my point. All clubs have idiot fans who give their club a bad name but all clubs also have a good bunch of fans. I was just trying to point that out as Newham seems to be letting his hatred of Liverpool blind him to that fact. Liverpool like all clubs have some bad ones but by and large I'd put Liverpool fans up there with the best. No place in the country with an atmosphere like Anfield imo I don't hate Liverpool at all, i detest the scummy Liverpool fans but i don't hate Liverpool. I actually quite like their current team. Can you say double standards. So the the minority of Forest fans who do this are just a bad element but th minority of liverpool fans are scummy. what is the difference between the two. No fans are angels but you argument seems to disreagard this because of a blinkered view you have concerning Liverpool.
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Post by DoUrden on May 7, 2006 10:38:32 GMT
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Post by newham on May 7, 2006 21:58:53 GMT
I know the vast majority of Liv fans are fine people, but they all get tarred with the same brush by the scum of the earth that also follow them. But you said this before: Liverpool fans are scum (in the main) and don't deserve any respect from fellow English football fans. Firstly, apologies for that first statement. After re-reading it, it's completely out of line and i don't know what the hell i was up to when i wrote it. I really ought to check what i read after i write.... Maybe i have contradicted myself but my point still stands that there is a massive group of Liverpool fans who are the absolute scum of the earth and from personal experience i find that they are lower than anything i have experienced before. [/quote]You view is shared by the majority of the footballing world is it? Seems like you are the only one on here with this prejudice point of view. Law of averages tells me at least one other person on here would share your POV if your statement were true.[/quote] You take a poll of all football fans in the country that actually follow the game, i strongly predict that the majority will say they dis-respect Liverpool followers. If i'm wrong them i'm wrong but i don't think i will be. Read the papers mate. It's very rare a season goes by without more shame being heaped on the mindless ****s that seem hellbound on causing trouble for Liverpool. Who are you to say it's narrowminded? I may have contradicted myself in the past and i may be a little over-zealous with my criticisms but there is truth to my points. Which were? Think what you will, i can't change that. I stand by my points that whilst there are many upstanding, honourably Liverpool fans, there are a lot of utter Simmses that are determined to bring down the name of what should be a proud and wonderful football club. Sure, every team has it's troublemakers but in personal experience i find Liverpool's to be at a different level. On a related note, are you honestly trying to tell me you don't have an unwarranted dislike for a group of people? Come off it, everyone has.
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Post by newham on May 7, 2006 22:07:12 GMT
Can you say double standards. So the the minority of Forest fans who do this are just a bad element but th minority of liverpool fans are scummy. what is the difference between the two. No fans are angels but you argument seems to disreagard this because of a blinkered view you have concerning Liverpool. Not at all, the Forest bad boys are scum to me too. After thinking about it, maybe i am blinkered. You can hardly blame me for being so though. I guess i probably owe you all an explanation. When i was 5, me and my dad went to Anfield to watch them play Man Utd (dad won the tickets) and like a **** i wore my Forest shirt. Upon leaving the ground we were set upon by a group of thugs in Liverpool shirts who kicked the crap out of my dad and it was only a group of coppers who stopped it being me too. It was me (5 years old) and my Dad (the least-threatening bloke you can imagine), i've never been more afraid in my life and i refuse to go anywhere near Anfield nowadays. Am i still being narrow-minded Rob?
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Post by newham on May 7, 2006 22:09:20 GMT
Thought i'd better hedge my bets. Heaven forbid i might get it slightly wrong and get picked up by you. I was actually at both games DoUrden, and in the Main Stand for both. Where were you? I guess it may depend on personal luck, but i strongly disagree.
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Post by Rob #12 on May 9, 2006 6:32:47 GMT
Newham...I ain't reply to your post bit by bit as I don't want to waste the time on you quite frankly.
You made some very sweeping statements and have contradicted yourself quite badly.
You have also made a number of accusations in your posts and have nothing but the crap in your head to back it up with.
I am sorry for your experience, it must have been very truamatising, especially for a 5 year old. But I have seen mindless violence outside many a football stadium, including your beloved Forest, in fact I saw that twice at least as well as many a story from my Grandad about Forest fans (he is one too). Does that mean I should say most Forest fans are thugs and scum then???
But guess where the place was that I saw the mose peaceful display by fans ever. Impeccable behaviour in fact. Istanbul last year, and that was before the game also. AC Milan fans and Liverpool fans did an excellent job those few days but if you are saying most Liverpool fans are scum, wouldn't something have kicked off??
I am still waiting to see this event that happened sometime this year or last year that scummy Liverpool fans did. Just another of your arguements you can't back up.
Rob
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Post by martinski83 on May 9, 2006 9:31:11 GMT
Can you say double standards. So the the minority of Forest fans who do this are just a bad element but th minority of liverpool fans are scummy. what is the difference between the two. No fans are angels but you argument seems to disreagard this because of a blinkered view you have concerning Liverpool. Not at all, the Forest bad boys are scum to me too. After thinking about it, maybe i am blinkered. You can hardly blame me for being so though. I guess i probably owe you all an explanation. When i was 5, me and my dad went to Anfield to watch them play Man Utd (dad won the tickets) and like a **** i wore my Forest shirt. Upon leaving the ground we were set upon by a group of thugs in Liverpool shirts who kicked the crap out of my dad and it was only a group of coppers who stopped it being me too. It was me (5 years old) and my Dad (the least-threatening bloke you can imagine), i've never been more afraid in my life and i refuse to go anywhere near Anfield nowadays. Am i still being narrow-minded Rob? Right well newham, I'm speaking as a Manchester United fan, and I don't think that ALL Liverpool fans are scum of the earth, but I DO enjoy the rivalry. It seems you had a very bad experience when you were young, and I think I speak for all forumees when I say that shouldn't happen to anyone. However, because a few Liverpool fans gave your family a hard time, you shouldn't tarnish all Liverpool fans with the same brush. 45,000 at least turn out to watch Liverpool every week and I'm sure not all of them hate you or want to kill you. Personally, I dislike Forest, mainly due to the monkeys I went to school. They promoted a bad image of Nottingham Forest football club and I took a dislike to them. I don't think all their fans are like those muppets I went to school with all those years ago, but I do choose not to watch Forest. I went to Uni in Lincoln and they too have a very rough section of fans. A minority there wait for Boston every year to have a fight. 2 years ago the police detained a group of Boston 'fans' by locking them in a local hotel. The drunken 'fans' smashed the place up and drank the bar dry. Does that make Boston United FC scum? no it doesn't, it makes the mindless idiots inside the shirts scum of the earth. As a ManYoo fan, I'm used to jokes, insults, being a glory grabber etc... Do I care? No! Why should I? I love ManUtd, they're my team. I'm not from Manchester and I do remember the days before trophies, but even if I didn't I wouldn't care. Some of your comments are very narrow minded dude and well you only have to look at the world today to see what people like you are doing. You think all liverpool fans are scummers.... and that just causes more hatred amongst easily influenced people, and the same way that when al qaida blow something up, people automatically think that all muslims are terrorists and that we should beat up every muslim we see. It's a sad world when it comes to this..... #83
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Post by Higgy on May 9, 2006 14:59:56 GMT
My dads been attacked by Celtic fans but nor him or me have a grudge against them,it was a few people not the whole stadium! Just because you have a grudge newham doesnt mean they are all scum
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Post by DoUrden on May 9, 2006 17:44:00 GMT
Thought i'd better hedge my bets. Heaven forbid i might get it slightly wrong and get picked up by you. I was actually at both games DoUrden, and in the Main Stand for both. Where were you? I guess it may depend on personal luck, but i strongly disagree. Depends what you mean by 'Both'? The two teams I pointed out wer ejust small examples. I've been at all the games V Leicester home and away in the past 7 or 8 years and heard it on more than 3 or 4 occasions. Likewise with Bradford(tho not been to Bradford away for the past few times).
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Post by newham on May 9, 2006 19:44:39 GMT
Newham...I ain't reply to your post bit by bit as I don't want to waste the time on you quite frankly. Frankly Rob, i really don't give a damn. You made some very sweeping statements and have contradicted yourself quite badly. You have also made a number of accusations in your posts and have nothing but the crap in your head to back it up with. I may have contradicted myself in this thread and i openly admit that i am probably bias against them due to personal experience but it doesn't make their hooligan fans any less pathetic. I'm not for a second suggesting that the other fans that do it are fine, because that's just mad. The reason i started this was because someone suggested that they were the best fans in the country, which i take great offence to. I am sorry for your experience, it must have been very truamatising, especially for a 5 year old. But I have seen mindless violence outside many a football stadium, including your beloved Forest, in fact I saw that twice at least as well as many a story from my Grandad about Forest fans (he is one too). Does that mean I should say most Forest fans are thugs and scum then??? I've already stated that saying 'most of them were scum' was out of place. I'd also forgive you for having a slightly bias dislike for Forest if something like that had happened to you... But guess where the place was that I saw the mose peaceful display by fans ever. Impeccable behaviour in fact. Istanbul last year, and that was before the game also. AC Milan fans and Liverpool fans did an excellent job those few days but if you are saying most Liverpool fans are scum, wouldn't something have kicked off?? To be honest, i was extremely surprised by the lack of trouble. One swallow does not make a summer, and it certainly doesn't make up for decades of disgracing English football abroad. I am still waiting to see this event that happened sometime this year or last year that scummy Liverpool fans did. Just another of your arguements you can't back up. Rob One picture speaks a thousand words: Certainly isn't all of their fans and they're not alone in doing it, but that is disgusting behaviour. Oh, and you ignored one of my points: On a related note, are you honestly trying to tell me you don't have an unwarranted dislike for a group of people? Come off it, everyone has. Answer that.
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Post by Rob #12 on May 9, 2006 20:13:53 GMT
You said it yourself, you have a an UNWARRANTED dislike for a group of people (Liverpool fans). Still you continue to blow any chance of a point out of the water by talking crap.
No I do not have an UNWARRANTED hatred for a group of people. I have plenty of dislikes that I feel are warranted, but they are never so wide and sweeping to include all people that match that group. I need a reason to want to dislike someone, that is just common sense.
For example, I have a hatred for terrosists, does that mean I hate all people who are linked to terrorists these days? My Muslim friends are some of the best people can ask for, but if it were you, you would cut these people off just because of who they happen to be. Narrowminded. Biggot. Racist. I choose to call it prejudice. Call it what you want, but that is what I feel you are. You don't know Liverpool fans, how can you say you hate the majority of them without knowing them. when you clearly say it's the minority of fans who cause problems in any teams fan base.
You my son have issues and need to have them dealt with as you obviously didn't get over them when you were 5. Because one day it might come back to bite you on the ass and you might want to think about what you are saying.
Rob
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