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Post by NickThePanther44 on Nov 25, 2007 22:15:42 GMT
can't find anything i don't agree with in that post Upshall, saved me some time
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Post by tk on Nov 25, 2007 22:51:23 GMT
i think danny has had a slow start to the season but is beginning to show his potential again Definately, I think he's working really hard ,he seems to be in the right place a lot of the time and he got MOM tonight
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Post by Shorty on Nov 25, 2007 22:52:42 GMT
Can you tell us then phaneuf what changes we should make to the roster, or do you think it is good enough as it is?
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Nov 25, 2007 22:56:43 GMT
well i hope your not referring to me phaneuf, i've probably missed three home games in seven years so your only very slightly off the mark
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Post by Rich on Nov 25, 2007 22:59:31 GMT
well tbh i think he should have got a lot more stick than he has considering the amount that others have got on here! do we make allowances because they are brits? Im not going to get involved in the heated discussion but Phaneuf, are you happy paying your money week in week out and following the team home and away as they are or do you want to see changes? Reeser and Krajicek did NOT take more penalties than Stancok and when they did take penalties they didnt seem to be at such key times for hooking. Im not saying I think Stancok should go or should stay, just stating fact. As for your post oldman, I think thats very interesting. I think we do give allowances because hes british but I also think we have to! There are no other Danny Meyers's out there to bring in on less money. Pelletier or Stancok can be replaced in a flash, Danny cant IMO
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Post by Carnell on Nov 25, 2007 23:04:30 GMT
There are no other Danny Meyers's out there to bring in on less money. Pelletier or Stancok can be replaced in a flash, Danny cant IMO Couldn't agree more
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Post by paek on Nov 25, 2007 23:05:32 GMT
Phaneuf, fans have the right to an opinion, even if you disagree with what they have to say. I don't agree with criticism of players when it gets personal, but fans have the right to comment on players when it comes to their performances on the ice.
If the rumour is true, it has nothing to do with fan criticism. If you really believe that it does, then I'm surprised. Ellis is the coach and he will know what changes have to be made in order for this team to improve. Stanny was a hugely popular player with us originally, and therefore the criticism he's faced this season isn't some kind of witch hunt and neither is the criticism heaped upon Rovnianek.
If both players leave, they leave. As I've always said, players come and players go.
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Post by Mark on Nov 25, 2007 23:25:41 GMT
Spot on Rich.
Get rid of Danny Meyers, then tell me which avaliable British D-man we are going to sign?
Oldman, I've agreed with very little of your recent posting and you mine I suspect, but I do agree that the forwards do seem to be under-performing. Lots of shots but a poor return, not in the last three games however. If you alluded to Bergin being the exception, well again I'd agree, he has received unfair criticism, his positive effect on the team perhaps improving the goal scoring in recent games.
While not particularly being in favour of singling out players Stancok and Rovnianek haven't performed as before, and without laying the blame entirely at their door that is a fact.
On current form unfortunately those two are the stand out underperformers, Meyers has improved and is a rare commodity as a Brit D-man. Pelletier too has improved and Neilson's position is as safe as houses.
Changing personnel just before a semi-final is extremely risky so maybe it is just a rumour, but if that is the case why didn't Rovnianek play tonight? Injured or otherwise let's hope it's sorted for Friday.
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Post by NYR on Nov 26, 2007 0:46:01 GMT
well tbh i think he should have got a lot more stick than he has considering the amount that others have got on here! do we make allowances because they are brits? There are no other Danny Meyers's out there to bring in on less money. Pelletier or Stancok can be replaced in a flash, Danny cant IMO This is true at this point in the season but i would like to hope next season we look around more, you could say when we signed Danny he was a gamble, a good EPL player with some experience in EIHL and the gamble seemed to work as he was a very important part of the team last year but this year he has been poor. If we could sign a young defender (Ben O'Conor for example) then use the wages saved on improving other parts of the team as im sure we would not be spending £600 a week on a young up and coming brit, so is Danny replacable? At this current time no but when we are building the team next year i would certainly like to think he is!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2007 1:01:43 GMT
Can you tell us then phaneuf what changes we should make to the roster, or do you think it is good enough as it is? Well i would start with the coach, first season 5th in league, second season maybe even worse, yes he did win the playoffs (with a hot goalie and a player that was too good for this league) which was a great achievment but just made a very poor season seem some what better than it was, he signs players back on more money (shmyr and meyers) and offers others less money so they dont come back for example Petricko and look what a good year he is having! Bring in another stay at home D man to balance it out a bit more as in my opinion we have 3 attack minded d men and only one stay at home. As for the forwards maybe we should only cut players when we have another lined up? Surely not that hard?
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Post by paek on Nov 26, 2007 1:04:10 GMT
Can you tell us then phaneuf what changes we should make to the roster, or do you think it is good enough as it is? Well i would start with the coach, first season 5th in league, second season maybe even worse, yes he did win the playoffs (with a hot goalie and a player that was too good for this league) which was a great achievment but just made a very poor season seem some what better than it was, he signs players back on more money (shmyr and meyers) and offers others less money so they dont come back for example Petricko and look what a good year he is having! Bring in another stay at home D man to balance it out a bit more as in my opinion we have 3 attack minded d men and only one stay at home. As for the forwards maybe we should only cut players when we have another lined up? Surely not that hard? As a sincere question, can I ask if Stancok & Rovnianek are your favourites?
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Post by bangontheglass on Nov 26, 2007 7:27:21 GMT
Can you tell us then phaneuf what changes we should make to the roster, or do you think it is good enough as it is? Well i would start with the coach, first season 5th in league, second season maybe even worse, yes he did win the playoffs (with a hot goalie and a player that was too good for this league) which was a great achievment but just made a very poor season seem some what better than it was, he signs players back on more money (shmyr and meyers) and offers others less money so they dont come back for example Petricko and look what a good year he is having! Bring in another stay at home D man to balance it out a bit more as in my opinion we have 3 attack minded d men and only one stay at home. As for the forwards maybe we should only cut players when we have another lined up? Surely not that hard? Not trying to get into an argument here but what good is cutting the coach at this stage in the season?? Panthers have always lacked consistency in this area and i for one do not believe that a new coach brings a league title!!! Cor you really have it in for Meyers don't you? If i remember rightly he actually played alot of the time last year with a certain Mr Krajicek, no wonder his performances have not been so confident this season playing along side Stancok when he spent a lot of time in the box to begin with!! As for the Petriecko statement, he was offered more money elsewhere, his choice, why should Ellis pay more than he thinks!! Also how come you seem to know how much players are earning, tbh i would be right peeved off if you were splashing my wage earnings around on a public forum!!! The only thing i can say i agree with is cutting players before we have another ready to fly in!!!
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Post by andyd on Nov 26, 2007 11:02:50 GMT
I've only made it to one game this season (despite being back in the country), the first home game against Belfast for various reasons.
I said to a whole list of people (Jono, Ted, Paul, Shaggy, Heatley and about anyone that would listen) even then that Rasto was the weak link and had to go. I said that without having been in Britain last year so without having seen any of Rasto even though I know he was really hot in the Play Offs so I like to think my view, solely based on this season, was somewhat subjective. I felt the same about Kurdna, a good goalie who delivered in the clutch at the end of the season, for me though that does not mean he would be a good signing over the course of an entire season. I was worried when we re-signed Rasto (despite all that's good about him and what he did for us), we got left behind a little IMO with the likes of Koenig, Fankhouser, Oaser and company.
I like Rasto, but I'm sorry, if he does go it's the right decision and if anything is months too late.
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Post by panthers8768 on Nov 26, 2007 18:45:55 GMT
Rasto for back up ??
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Post by Chig on Nov 26, 2007 21:39:17 GMT
bangontheglass wrote: As for the Petriecko statement, he was offered more money elsewhere, his choice, why should Ellis pay more than he thinks!!
Don't know where you got that information - Matus took a pay cut at Cardiff.
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Post by NYR on Nov 26, 2007 21:51:00 GMT
bangontheglass wrote: As for the Petriecko statement, he was offered more money elsewhere, his choice, why should Ellis pay more than he thinks!! Don't know where you got that information - Matus took a pay cut at Cardiff. Just another example of someone that has heard a rumor and states it as fact
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Post by NYR on Nov 26, 2007 21:55:31 GMT
Yes thats a viable option when you only have 10 import slots!
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Post by jmc on Nov 26, 2007 22:21:47 GMT
My two cents are.
Rasto, came in when confidence was at an all time low, Lindsay was shipping goals left, right, centre, and through the five-hole. We had an element of luck last season with the shootout victories, I think whats happened is the standard of netminding is going up look at Manchester have a an ex NHl'er, McDonald at Newcastle is 22 and looks very promising. Dispite of what you think of Jody his a proven winner at Elite league level. Also the league is attracting better players each season, hopefully soon we could get back ISL stanard I pritty much doubt it though. I think without sound disrecptful Rasto should have retired on a high. I think last season snipers have sussed Rasto out.
Stancok, thought of him as OK in his first term with us, I thought we had a great D in 2003/2004 With Thompson, Carlsson, and Taubert. He took alot of PIMS then, I think his struggling with the pace and ZT here in the UK.
As for this new netminder.....hopefully he'll backstop us to sliverware!
As for Meyers he started slowly but now looks the part IMO.
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Post by Rob #12 on Nov 26, 2007 22:35:58 GMT
bangontheglass wrote: As for the Petriecko statement, he was offered more money elsewhere, his choice, why should Ellis pay more than he thinks!! Don't know where you got that information - Matus took a pay cut at Cardiff. Just another example of someone that has heard a rumor and states it as fact I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss if I were you. Think they will have got that first hand from the player himself. Being his sponsor last season, I know for fact they still keep in contact.
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Post by NYR on Nov 27, 2007 0:10:16 GMT
Just another example of someone that has heard a rumor and states it as fact I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss if I were you. Think they will have got that first hand from the player himself. Being his sponsor last season, I know for fact they still keep in contact. Sorry AndysMum and Rob my post was aimed at bangontheglass, sorry about the confussion!
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Post by bangontheglass on Nov 27, 2007 7:28:40 GMT
bangontheglass wrote: As for the Petriecko statement, he was offered more money elsewhere, his choice, why should Ellis pay more than he thinks!! Don't know where you got that information - Matus took a pay cut at Cardiff. Just another example of someone that has heard a rumor and states it as fact Just to say this is what i was told by someone at the club so i'm wrong, but where did i actually state it was a fact, however thanks for the quick bring down to earth!!!!
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Post by Rob #12 on Nov 27, 2007 10:38:43 GMT
Ah fair enough NYR....I was confused by the quote.
Yep Matus definatley took a pay cut from last year and even offered himself to Ellis for less because he loved it here. It was just timing that was all and Matus wanted guaranteed hockey.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2007 11:09:00 GMT
Shorty. What changes would i make? Sign Tom Askey and lets see how good he is,but i reckon we better keep rasto too at least for the moment as im not convinced on Askey. If Askey stays then: Sign a quality stay at home dman and play with 5 defencemen. Play shmyr as a forward and ask him to cause havoc around the net. Play Pelletier as a forward at times as an option. Then if that doesnt work: Gas pelletier and bring in a big quality power forward. If that doesnt work....god knows !!!!! Lets see how close i am eh ?
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Nov 27, 2007 12:54:21 GMT
how about just let Rasto and Stancok go, replace Stancok with a big stay at home and get a good center in as Drouin's replacement, simple enough.
no need for a big foreward with Shmyr Bergin Neilson and another big stay at home guy, thats more than enough toughness for our league
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Post by MP on Nov 27, 2007 13:38:30 GMT
how about just let Rasto and Stancok go, replace Stancok with a big stay at home and get a good center in as Drouin's replacement, simple enough. Makes good sense to me.
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