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Post by Ovechkin8 on Jun 27, 2007 19:19:01 GMT
Cornish has moved to the LNAH
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Jun 27, 2007 22:29:38 GMT
Cornish has moved to the LNAH He has not signed, the LNAH hold a draft each year in which they all draft for the rights of loads og tough guys just incase they decide to go to the league. All this means is Thetford Mines are the only team who could sign him. Corny would never go to that league.
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Post by gazzathedevil on Jun 27, 2007 23:37:27 GMT
Sorry but if you think Cornish is the better player, then you re seriously dillusional and have limited hockey knowledge Where did he say Cornish was the better player?
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Post by swift on Jun 28, 2007 6:43:13 GMT
PIDGE, READ THE POST AGAIN, , I don't doubt for a second Clarke may be a better player . What Sheffield need now is a Clouthier or a Cornish , because with the rest of the squad I think they can accomadate an out and out enforcer. Clarke aint one , the mans a joke. Strange how you defend him on here and slate him on Steeltalk. And for the record , my hockey knowledge is fine , been watching it long enough .
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jun 28, 2007 9:03:27 GMT
if you think Cornish is tougher than Clarke then im sorry but your wrong, Cornish has been tko'd more times in the last two seasons than most of the real heavyweights to have played over here have in there careers, FACT
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Post by swift on Jun 28, 2007 9:13:20 GMT
Matter of opinions , Cornish may have been dropped a couple of times last year because he will actually get on with fighting , not run , turtle , duck for cover or start a fight then hold on for dear life . Cornish would hammer Clarke 11 times out of 10 , if he could get him to actually fight, FACT.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jun 28, 2007 9:24:23 GMT
no you said he was tougher than Clarke, being tough means being able to take as much as you dish out, the top guys in the league now know he hasnt got the best chin so his days of being champ are long gone.
Cornish is one of the most unintelligent fighters ive ever seen.
Clarke wound Kruse up all that year by drawing penalties off him, he then fought him in one of the last games of the season in which alot of people rate that fight a win to Clarke.
that season Clarke also beat Rushton and Schulte, two fighters that again are tougher than Cornish
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jun 28, 2007 9:26:03 GMT
also you say Cornish wont hold on, he got the edge over Shmyr in there second fight last season, probably because as Shmyr started to get going Cornish was knackered and oh yeah, held on for dear life
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Post by swift on Jun 28, 2007 9:26:09 GMT
What happened when he fought Darling at Nottingham
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Post by swift on Jun 28, 2007 9:27:48 GMT
SO using your logic Clarke is tougher than Shmyr. Watch the fight on youtube and can you please point out the moment when "shmyr gets going" because I must have missed it , and to be honest they both seem to be holding on at the end .
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Post by Rich on Jun 28, 2007 10:25:49 GMT
Id say Cornish was top3 with Cloots and Shmyrsy last season, Clarke wasnt even top3 in nottingham the season he was here. They are both heavyweights tho and its impossible to call who would win what but the shape Clarke is in compared to the shape Corny is in is not comparable, they are different players totally
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Post by john123 on Jun 28, 2007 10:57:58 GMT
IMHO Cornish isn't even in the same league as Cloots or Shmyr when it comes to fighting. Last eason, there was distinct 1 & 2 in Cloots and Shmyr, then the rest were pretty even and could beat each other on any given day. I would say the next group consisted of Voth, Cornish, Darby, Ndur, Cruickshank (sp) and Gomez.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jun 28, 2007 12:11:48 GMT
agree with John, Shmyr and Clouthier were miles ahead of everyone else last season, with Clothier top as he'd had a few more fights than Shmyr.
i dont know what the Cornish and Darling fight has anything to do with this.
at the end of the fight Shmyr is trying to throw punches whilst Cornish is holding on and then the lino's come in.
if Gomez hadnt of left he would of been third with Cornish fourth last season. a fit Clarke like the one we saw at Panthers is in a different league to Cornish, even since hes left here hes beaten some damn good fighters over the pond. so how do you work that out then swift, just because i said Clarke is tougher than Cornish and Cornish got the edge over Shmyr in there second bout, in the first Shmyr owned him, one punch, down. Cornish probably could hold his own against Clarke but overall Clarke is alot tougher and over several fights it would be Clarke with the better record by far. saying that though, Rich says hes in a very bad condition now so maybe hes lost some of that.
Rich, who would you have rated above Clarke in the 2002/03 team? Nieckar and Wood were both ex NHL enforcers but apart from that id class Clarke our third toughest guy. to be honest im really surprised people dont rate him as i think hes a real good fighter.
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Post by Rich on Jun 28, 2007 12:20:05 GMT
Allison, apparently that fight was proven aswell In terms of tough guys you cant really say because you say Gomez above Corny but watch the Clouthier vs Cornish fight (Draw, edge Corny if anything) then watch Clothier vs Gomez (Comepletely one sided). Shmyr and Clouthier were pretty much undefeated so defo 1&2 but id say Cornish 3rd for amount of fights and how well he did against the top2. I would have to say tho Cornish will get better and fitter, Clarkes toughness and fitness is going one way only. Dont let Shaggy read this thread, he will have a hernia!
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jun 28, 2007 12:25:18 GMT
that made me laugh id of put Gomez above Cornish mainly because of his two tko wins over him in the same game. what actually happened with Clarke and Allison? didnt also have a coming together with Wood. i always classed Allison as more of a light heavy, willing to fight anyone but just not enough toughness to compete with the heavies all season Nick
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Post by texpef on Jun 28, 2007 13:13:03 GMT
who really cares isnt this all academic as personally i dont want panthers to sign either player....
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Post by john123 on Jun 28, 2007 13:48:50 GMT
Allison, apparently that fight was proven aswell In terms of tough guys you cant really say because you say Gomez above Corny but watch the Clouthier vs Cornish fight (Draw, edge Corny if anything) then watch Clothier vs Gomez (Comepletely one sided). Shmyr and Clouthier were pretty much undefeated so defo 1&2 but id say Cornish 3rd for amount of fights and how well he did against the top2. I would have to say tho Cornish will get better and fitter, Clarkes toughness and fitness is going one way only. Dont let Shaggy read this thread, he will have a hernia! The Clouthier Vs Cornish fight was a deffinate win for Cloots. Started evenly enough, then Cloots opened up and hit Cornish with a couples of really big shots. After that, Cornish didn't want to know and was bent down so far to avoid Cloots, he was nearly kissing the ice.
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Post by swift on Jun 28, 2007 15:13:06 GMT
agree with John, Shmyr and Clouthier were miles ahead of everyone else last season, with Clothier top as he'd had a few more fights than Shmyr. i dont know what the Cornish and Darling fight has anything to do with this. at the end of the fight Shmyr is trying to throw punches whilst Cornish is holding on and then the lino's come in. if Gomez hadnt of left he would of been third with Cornish fourth last season. a fit Clarke like the one we saw at Panthers is in a different league to Cornish, even since hes left here hes beaten some damn good fighters over the pond. so how do you work that out then swift, just because i said Clarke is tougher than Cornish and Cornish got the edge over Shmyr in there second bout, in the first Shmyr owned him, one punch, down. Cornish probably could hold his own against Clarke but overall Clarke is alot tougher and over several fights it would be Clarke with the better record by far. saying that though, Rich says hes in a very bad condition now so maybe hes lost some of that. Rich, who would you have rated above Clarke in the 2002/03 team? Nieckar and Wood were both ex NHL enforcers but apart from that id class Clarke our third toughest guy. to be honest im really surprised people dont rate him as i think hes a real good fighter. Nick I was talking about Clarke and Darling
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Post by Borussia10 on Jun 28, 2007 15:35:28 GMT
IMHO Cornish isn't even in the same league as Cloots or Shmyr when it comes to fighting. Last eason, there was distinct 1 & 2 in Cloots and Shmyr, then the rest were pretty even and could beat each other on any given day. I would say the next group consisted of Voth, Cornish, Darby, Ndur, Cruickshank (sp) and Gomez. I would agree with that. Cloots and Shymr were the top two fighters in the league last season and for me I couldn't pick between them. Ive only seen the one fight between them at the NIC and I would say that was pretty even. One thing about Cornish though is he isn't afraid to fight anyone I think he would fight Laraque given the chance. If memory serves me correctly then I only saw Clarke fight the once against Timo Willman with Willman coming out on top.
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Post by Shaggy on Jun 28, 2007 16:11:20 GMT
Dont let Shaggy read this thread, he will have a hernia! Hardly... although you have to wonder what's the point of arguing and name-calling over the relative cement-headedness of two 'players' who aren't even confirmed as signing for any team yet... and the team that everyone's talking about isn't even ours! It's the off season. Chill... sit out in the sun (if you can find any)... have a beer... relax... say "what the hell" until September!
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Jun 28, 2007 17:11:34 GMT
The Clouthier Vs Cornish fight was a deffinate win for Cloots. Started evenly enough, then Cloots opened up and hit Cornish with a couples of really big shots. After that, Cornish didn't want to know and was bent down so far to avoid Cloots, he was nearly kissing the ice. Have you seen the fight? When they come together Corny starts with his quick flurry of lefts with the 3rd nearly putting Cloots down. When did Cloots even open up? I know when Corny switches hands Cloots throws about 5 punches with at most 3 landing that do no damage. Corny even smiles to the fans after those punches. Did the myth that Corny spent the most of the fight bent down start on steeltalk? Both players have each other at arms left both ready to throw a bomb. Corny is bound to be lower because Cloots is taller than him. When they are in that position Cloots throws nothing while Corny throws 2 jersey jabs and a big left. Watch the fight again jeremy is far more active and lands the better punches.
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Post by john123 on Jun 28, 2007 18:59:39 GMT
The Clouthier Vs Cornish fight was a deffinate win for Cloots. Started evenly enough, then Cloots opened up and hit Cornish with a couples of really big shots. After that, Cornish didn't want to know and was bent down so far to avoid Cloots, he was nearly kissing the ice. Have you seen the fight? When they come together Corny starts with his quick flurry of lefts with the 3rd nearly putting Cloots down. When did Cloots even open up? I know when Corny switches hands Cloots throws about 5 punches with at most 3 landing that do no damage. Corny even smiles to the fans after those punches. Did the myth that Corny spent the most of the fight bent down start on steeltalk? Both players have each other at arms left both ready to throw a bomb. Corny is bound to be lower because Cloots is taller than him. When they are in that position Cloots throws nothing while Corny throws 2 jersey jabs and a big left. Watch the fight again jeremy is far more active and lands the better punches. Yes mate, I have. I was there. Like I said, its starts pretty evenly, then Cornish realises that no matter how many punches he throws, he isn't goin to knock Cloots down. Cloots lads several big hots, then Cornish kisses the ice. That is not a rumor, it is what happened. I saw it with my own eyes, first hand. You can quite clearly see Cornish is trying to stay well clear of Cloots. The pictures in the Steelers programme the week later quite clearly show that. He is bent down, nothing to do with his size. Sorry to shatter your dream about Cornish, but he lost. Didn't get a good thrashing, but he lost.
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Post by Rich on Jun 29, 2007 7:44:32 GMT
Watch the video again (Think its on youtube), its ok having pics but they never tell the story. There were pics of the Shmyr vs Clouthier fight which could show either playing winning the fight but they mean nothing. It looks like Cloots has complete control of the fight, until you watch it back when you realise if Cloots had such a good chance to hurt Corny near the end why the hell didnt he? Thats like saying if Cornish had landed an extra punch he would have knocked him out, you cant make claims about things, just watch the fight as a neutral and theres no way you can pick a clear winner.
Anyway I almost agree with Shaggy, theres some sun to go and enjoy! We all have opinions on fights, this is the first time I think iv ever disagreed with Bramley over anything but thats hockey fights for ya, Cloots and Shmyr aside anyone can beat anyone on their night
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jun 29, 2007 9:27:47 GMT
the thing is we all see different things in different players and like all opinions, everyone differs, whether its what players they like or how tough they rate them.
like Rich says thats hockey fights for ya, we all rate things differently
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Post by john123 on Jun 29, 2007 10:44:50 GMT
Watch the video again (Think its on youtube), its ok having pics but they never tell the story. There were pics of the Shmyr vs Clouthier fight which could show either playing winning the fight but they mean nothing. It looks like Cloots has complete control of the fight, until you watch it back when you realise if Cloots had such a good chance to hurt Corny near the end why the hell didnt he? Thats like saying if Cornish had landed an extra punch he would have knocked him out, you cant make claims about things, just watch the fight as a neutral and theres no way you can pick a clear winner. Anyway I almost agree with Shaggy, theres some sun to go and enjoy! We all have opinions on fights, this is the first time I think iv ever disagreed with Bramley over anything but thats hockey fights for ya, Cloots and Shmyr aside anyone can beat anyone on their night No its not like making that claim at all. I am stating a clear fact. Cornish was trying his damdest to stay out of the way of Cloots. Thats a fact, nothing to do with claims. The pictures and my own eyes at the time told me that. I am not talking about pics showing Cloots winning the fight, I am talking about the pics showing Cornish bent so far down to avoid Cloots, he is nearly kissing the ice! Simple as that, no room for bias, or seeing things differently. Why didn't Cloots hurt Cornish when he had the chance? How the hell do I know?? Maybe he couldn't reach him? Maybe he didn't want to? Maybe he realised Cornish had had enough and felt sorry for him? You are right, he does have complete control of the fight, hence he is able to make a decision if he wants to hurt Cornish or not. Win for Cloots, sorry.
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