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Post by newham on Dec 4, 2006 0:29:01 GMT
Sorry to start another Lindsay thread but i've just had three messages from different folk (generally fairly reliable) telling me that Lindsay has either served or is serving his notice now. Good to see we can make such an easy decision before it's too late.
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Post by supermattytrickett on Dec 4, 2006 0:46:24 GMT
I'd axe five others given the chance if the P45's are being written. Whilst Lindsay's not covered himself in glory (far from it), playing behind a defence like ours would be enough to destroy anyone's confidence. Personally, Lindsay is fast becoming a scapegoat of gigantic proportions, and to say or think he's the only problem is deluding yourself. There are issues all over the ice AND behind the bench.
IF Lindsay goes, I can't see many other decent calibre netminders miraculously plucking pucks out of the air left, right and centre a la Trev Robins. You mention Kudrna on another thread, but he had the luxury of playing behind Nick Boynton and Ian Moran. How I bet Lindsay wishes he had that luxury available to him right now.
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Post by newham on Dec 4, 2006 0:51:12 GMT
How i bet we still wish we had that luxury!
I don' think anyone is suggesting he's the only problem. He's part of it however and i'll be glad to see the back of him.
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 4, 2006 1:25:34 GMT
I'd axe five others given the chance if the P45's are being written. Easy to say 'get rid of X, Y and Z' - but how would they be replaced? This rule that a team is only allowed 15 ITCs durint the year... well, we've already used 12 of them* - so we can bring in a maximum of 3 imports. That's even assuming that the 'right' calibre of player can be found... let's face it, anything less than a total star player is likely to be greeted with yet more hostility. And if we're going to get rid of any British players... where are we going to find replacements? People are saying that the likes of Cooke, Ferrara etc aren't good enough, that getting Brits from lower leagues doesn't work (the same was said about Wojciak, remember?) - so where do we get them from? British players who are better than what we have right now? * Ellis, Emersic, Lindsay, Neilson, Krajicek, Rees, McAslan, Simoes, Petricko, Shmyr, Stevens & Cardarelli
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Post by sunbeam on Dec 4, 2006 8:20:58 GMT
Sorry to start another Lindsay thread but i've just had three messages from different folk (generally fairly reliable) telling me that Lindsay has either served or is serving his notice now. Good to see we can make such an easy decision before it's too late. It's a widespread rumour. As is Stevie Lyle. Doesn't make it true of course.
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Post by smart6 on Dec 4, 2006 8:25:03 GMT
Is there a final date for signing new players 'cos there is no point in saving our golden tickets until its too late to use them? Also would this apply to the netminder as I remember we were allowed to bring Kudrna in very late when CC was injured - don't think it was just for the playoffs. Mind you don't think we had used all our import allocation not having the need to replace them.
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Post by supermattytrickett on Dec 4, 2006 9:25:59 GMT
I'd axe five others given the chance if the P45's are being written. Easy to say 'get rid of X, Y and Z' - but how would they be replaced? This rule that a team is only allowed 15 ITCs durint the year... well, we've already used 12 of them* - so we can bring in a maximum of 3 imports. That's even assuming that the 'right' calibre of player can be found... let's face it, anything less than a total star player is likely to be greeted with yet more hostility. It is easy to say get rid of X, Y and Z Shaggy, the players have made it so easy for me to say i'm afraid. As for who replaces them, if we can replace them and when they are replaced, that's not my problem. This is why we have and pay a Head Coach to make these decisions. The fact that people are wanting all but a tiny handful of imports to go says a lot about how the roster was assembled in the first place. We could have saved ourselves the trouble of making mass changes by making better decisions and choices when it came to putting a squad together before the season started. Sure, you might sign a turkey or two that can be replaced with relative ease, but i've never seen a more underachieving bunch of imports at this club to try and sort out.
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Post by Pawstalker on Dec 4, 2006 10:27:43 GMT
Things are not good at present but are they that bad?? I still think we can have a decent run to the end.
Goalie - If any new import can turn the team around it has to be Lindsay's replacement. Its no good the team working hard and scoring goals as they did last night only for our goalie to go missing. Its killing the team big time. I have no doubt we will have a new goalie by next weekend.
D - I have been critical of Neilson but he has put impressive points on the board (unlike a lot of forwards) and when he stays back, his lack of speed is less of an issue. As for Meyers, Rees and Jan I have no problem with any of them. They can all do the D job if left to that but they are increasingly called to come forward excessively.
Forwards - We have a problem with face offs but having seen Cardarelli in a few, he seems to be as good as anyone we have & can hold his own. I am happy enough (or they do a job) with Clarke, McAslan, Simoes & Shmyr. Of the import forwards we may be able to improve on Petricko & Stevens. As far as the other brits go, we are not going to better them as this stage of the season. The only alteration I would make is to get rid of Moran - he is a liability and his wages (which GM has probably inflated) can be used towards a better import replacement.
As for Mike E & Calle C, nothing would be gained by a change at this stage. Many should also remember how full of praise we were of them just a couple of months ago. We have already used an import slot on Mike and he could definately be useful as a player at the end with Calle behind the bench. If we are looking to next year, getting some scouting info now is also a great move.
I still think we could do well with 2 or 3 tweaks in the right places.
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Post by dirtyden on Dec 4, 2006 10:42:58 GMT
Good post Pawstalker,Neilson IMO has certainly improved since staying back more, last night had a solid game. Petricko naff all, is it because he's M'Es mate he thinks he has nothing to fear,another Sebastion I think, Stevens gets points now and again, last night, not much, always just on the edge of the tough side of the game, not enough effort for me.Speedster his pace has gone and with it his armoury. One last point,ME always said that our defence would be offensive and to have that you need a stand out netminder, perhaps he's not that standout, but he dos'nt pick himself.
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Post by Carnell on Dec 4, 2006 11:48:22 GMT
If this turns out to be true, im glad! Evan had totally lost all confidence, his performance was also bringing others down! Its a shame that ME couldnt have found a replacement sooner.... "lets look forward to the playoffs"
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Post by loveday on Dec 4, 2006 14:16:50 GMT
Good post Pawstalker,Neilson IMO has certainly improved since staying back more, last night had a solid game. Petricko naff all, is it because he's M'Es mate he thinks he has nothing to fear,another Sebastion I think, Stevens gets points now and again, last night, not much, always just on the edge of the tough side of the game, not enough effort for me. Speedster his pace has gone and with it his armoury. One last point,ME always said that our defence would be offensive and to have that you need a stand out netminder, perhaps he's not that standout, but he dos'nt pick himself. I disagree with you about Rod Stevens. He works hard all the time and with 21 points from 22 games how can you think otherwise. If the other Players worked as hard and got the same results as Rod then we would all be happy. He is also our leading player with Assists (5 goals and 16 assists) and is our 3rd ranked points player. Top 3 are as follows (When the Elite League Statistician's remember to include last Saturdays STATS) Sean McAslan .. .... 19 goals 6 assists 25 total David Clarke Nottingham 17 goals 5 assists .. 22 Total Rod Stevens Nottingham ..5 goals 16 assists .. 21 total I believe things will change when the new Net Minder arrives. Hope he makes it for Saturday. The players must get really downhearted when they have worked away and got a lead, only for EL to let it easy goals.
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Post by mattscold on Dec 4, 2006 14:32:04 GMT
Definately think we need a replacement nettie simply because the players have lost confidence in him! I also think they may have lost confidence in ME but thats just my view
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Post by newham on Dec 4, 2006 15:29:43 GMT
Stevens has won me over, he can stay and i'd be quite happy. He needs to be a little more consistent however.
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Post by barthez on Dec 4, 2006 16:56:35 GMT
i hope evan has gone!!!!!! bring back trevor robbins
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Post by roygbiv on Dec 4, 2006 16:57:23 GMT
Stevens has won me over, he can stay and i'd be quite happy. He needs to be a little more consistent however. Agree entirely Daniel. I called for his head but he's started to score points which is a perfect way to placate a fan. I wish he'd start scoring goals as 5 in whatever total he's played is still poor from a guy who I think we all expected more from. Can't knock his total points haul though
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Post by Frodo on Dec 4, 2006 17:26:42 GMT
As above called him to be dropped, but proved me & a few others wrong - good on him, im pleased. As McCracken says needs more goals but if he gets an assist it means someone has scored!
Just hope this rumour is true re lindsay, ive given him time and ok the defence dont help but what ive seen he lets in to many soft goals.
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Post by dirtyden on Dec 4, 2006 18:46:43 GMT
As I said he scores points now and again, assists dont mean that much as a player can be given an assist for virtually anything, five goals is what I look at, he was going to be our top gun, taking over from Tessier,no way.
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Post by Carnell on Dec 4, 2006 18:50:47 GMT
I think pritty much everyone has called for him to go over the past 2-3 months.... but he is getting better, its a shame the rest of the team havent followed suit! Certain players havent changed and continue to give 110% all through and Stevens is getting there!
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Post by roygbiv on Dec 4, 2006 18:58:56 GMT
As I said he scores points now and again, assists dont mean that much as a player can be given an assist for virtually anything, five goals is what I look at, he was going to be our top gun, taking over from Tessier,no way. Well if you look at Stevens' career stats, he's never been what I personally would call a goal scorer. Only hit the 30+ goal plateau once and that was in junior. I've already stated & would agree that 4 goals is poor, but to dismiss his assists total is odd given the fact you mention Tessier who got more assists than goals for us last year ;D
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Post by martin on Dec 4, 2006 19:05:50 GMT
I bet you the new nettie is Slovakian.
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Post by Abi on Dec 4, 2006 19:14:43 GMT
hope he is going or gone i gave him a chance at the start of the season because he was settling down. now hes had his chance to get settled and hes still rubbish so time to go!!!
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Post by pantherslass on Dec 4, 2006 19:18:22 GMT
i gave him a chance at the start of the season because he was settling down. now hes had his chance to get settled and hes still rubbish so time to go!!! Yup me to i gave him time to get into things now my Patience has gone and hopefully so has he
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Post by dirtyden on Dec 4, 2006 19:26:39 GMT
Brought in as a goalscorer, has'nt delivered yet, just on the edge of the nitty gritty, but ok, will reserve judgement, maybe I am a bit OTT.
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Post by roygbiv on Dec 4, 2006 19:29:28 GMT
Brought in as a goalscorer, has'nt delivered yet, just on the edge of the nitty gritty, but ok, will reserve judgement, maybe I am a bit OTT. I'd agree that if he was brought in to score goals, he's failed. One in five is his current ratio I think which isn't good enough for a player of his calibre, but he's improving. As for reserving judgement, do what you want.
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