Wings re sign ....... Franzen

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to a 3 year deal , well pleased we have him back,

We have around 5 million in cap space, that should be plenty to acquire JP Dumont and hopefully Carter

[belak]

pidge said:

to a 3 year deal , well pleased we have him back,

We have around 5 million in cap space, that should be plenty to acquire JP Dumont and hopefully Carter

Nope, you'll be $900,000 over the cap if Dumont ($2.9m) and Carter ($3m) get what they're asking.

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belak said:

pidge said:

to a 3 year deal , well pleased we have him back,

We have around 5 million in cap space, that should be plenty to acquire JP Dumont and hopefully Carter

Nope, you'll be $900,000 over the cap if Dumont ($2.9m) and Carter ($3m) get what they're asking.

carter won t get $3 million , he may want that but won t get it, i expect him to get around 2.2- 2.5 mill

I doubt we wouldn t be the only team over the cap, cough` Rangers` cough

[belak]

pidge said:

carter won t get $3 million , he may want that but won t get it, i expect him to get around 2.2- 2.5 mill

I hope your expectation is correct, because that means he'll have signed for his home town team, the team he wants to play for and it means he'll have a Toronto post code

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belak said:

pidge said:

carter won t get $3 million , he may want that but won t get it, i expect him to get around 2.2- 2.5 mill

I hope your expectation is correct, because that means he'll have signed for his home town team, the team he wants to play for and it means he'll have a Toronto post code

but then if he wants to win things shin

Personall hes a goog player, but id rather have smeone like peter Bondra which i beleive hes still available

[belak]

pidge said:

belak said:

I hope your expectation is correct, because that means he'll have signed for his home town team, the team he wants to play for and it means he'll have a Toronto post code

but then if he wants to win things shin

Or go to a team that walks the regular season, chokes big time in the play offs, then blames it's goal tender, fails to offer him a new deal and thinks that a 41 year old goalie will save them...

;D

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belak said:

pidge said:

but then if he wants to win things shin

Or go to a team that walks the regular season, chokes big time in the play offs, then blames it's goal tender, fails to offer him a new deal and thinks that a 41 year old goalie will save them...

;D

But then at least we make the play offs shin.

We will soon be back progressing deep into the play offs

Even at 41 Dom is one of the BEST

[belak]

pidge said:

But then at least we make the play offs shin.

Oh please, yeah console yourself with that thought. I imagine that's exactly what was said in the Detroit locker room when they choked.

Steve Yzerman turned to Chris Chelios and said "Well at least we made the play offs Chris."



As for the Leafs, we missed the play offs by two points

pidge said:

We will soon be back progressing deep into the play offs

Veteren teams don't last forever and there was a reason for the play off choke, and it wasn't Legace.

pidge said:

Even at 41 Dom is one of the BEST

No, he was one of the best. He wasn't last season and he wont be this year either.

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so you missed out by 2 points, the fact of the matter is you missed out all the same.

The fact is stevie and Chris have won 4 cups between them, not waiting for their first like most of the leafs roster and they will continue to wait.

the last 2 years we ve choked in the play offs without a match winning nettie, now we have Dom back for the play offs, we ll give Ossie (another cup winner) a run in the regular season ;D

[belak]

pidge said:

so you missed out by 2 points, the fact of the matter is you missed out all the same

Because our defense & goaltender were poor, had we had consistency we would have made the post season, and given the massive attention given to these areas in the off season, I have no worries.

pidge said:

The fact is stevie and Chris have won 4 cups between them, not waiting for their first like most of the leafs roster and they will continue to wait.

Quite what that has to do with anything I don't know, but if you want to go down bizarre tangents fine. Toronto has still won more Stanley cups than Detroit.

<shrug>

pidge said:

the last 2 years we ve choked in the play offs without a match winning nettie, now we have Dom back for the play offs, we ll give Ossie (another cup winner) a run in the regular season ;D

You might not even make the post season. You didn't even get you 1st or 2nd choice goalie targets (Gerber & Belfour) and given the Senators are stacked with talent, I think it says it all when they didn't re-sign Hasek.

As for not having "a match winning nettie," you didn't make any gesture that Legace wasn't good enough for post season play last season. I truely find it remarkable that a team that had, what 100+ point season, choked in the play offs, citing their goalie as the reason.

I guess that was also the case with Chelvadae (1993,) Osgood (1994) and Joseph in 2003?

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Quite what that has to do with anything I don't know, but if you want to go down bizarre tangents fine. Toronto has still won more Stanley cups than Detroit.

But in modern times .......

You might not even make the post season. You didn't even get you 1st or 2nd choice goalie targets (Gerber & Belfour) and given the Senators are stacked with talent, I think it says it all when they didn't re-sign Hasek.

i was over the moon that we didn t persue Belfour, never rated the bloke as highly as Dom.

My personnel first choices would have been one of Luongo, Roulston and JBS

End of the day, if a goalie doesn t perform at important times (legace) detroit gets rid, we don t hang onto dead wood like alot of other teams do

[belak]

pidge said:

But in modern times .......

So history & tradition of a team mean nothing? How does one define "modern times?" Do the Montreal Canadiens' 24 cup wins amount too nothing, as they haven't won a cup in 13 years...?

pidge said:

i was over the moon that we didn t persue Belfour, never rated the bloke as highly as Dom.

That's your personal choice, but Ken Holland didn't think it that way.

pidge said:

My personnel first choices would have been one of Luongo, Roulston and JBS

So why make out as if signing Hasek is a great thing, when you yourself state he wasn't one of your own original 3 choices?

pidge said:

End of the day, if a goalie doesn t perform at important times (legace) detroit gets rid, we don t hang onto dead wood like alot of other teams do

So how do you explain Detroit trading away Osgood, only to re-sign him?

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Ossie was us a cup when he was shocking to put it politely,

The habs have won a cup in modern times, i don t call the sixties modern times shin sorry.

Im happy we went back with dom, admit it, if Dom stays healthy he ll do well.

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Moving off topic

The re signing of Johan , is a very good bit of business, and at a good price too, another top swede is back in Detroit

[belak]

pidge said:

Ossie was us a cup when he was shocking to put it politely

So why has Detroit re-signed him when by your own wording, he was "shocking." Surely that goes against the very statement you uttered above?

pidge said:

The habs have won a cup in modern times, i don t call the sixties modern times shin sorry.

That isn't answering my question, but the Habs won Stanley cups in 1986 & 1993. I guess they are "modern times," so I assume that by your logic the other 22 wins are meaningless, as are Detroit's wins before 1997 (as they fall between 1936-1955.)

pidge said:

Im happy we went back with dom, admit it, if Dom stays healthy he ll do well.

I think Hasek is you're safety blanket, much like Wendel Clark was for Toronto. IMO Detroit would have been better served going for a goaltender who isn't 41.

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Ossie has cost us $750,000 peanuts for that about of experience and a cup winner too

Dom cost us a $1 million

A fraction of the $8 million he demanded in 2002 , but was worth every penny come june ;D

[belak]

This banter could go on all night

;D

[belak]

But going back to your post about having $5m to sign Carter...If the stats are accurate on the salary calculator posted by Peacock, Detroit had spent $40.978

If Franzen has cost you $2.8m, you're practically outta' space

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2.8 million is over 3 years my friend

941k per season

So io think plenty of cap space is still available for us to get DP in on the top line

[newham]

belak said:

pidge said:

so you missed out by 2 points, the fact of the matter is you missed out all the same

Because our defense & goaltender were poor, had we had consistency we would have made the post season,

Sounds like you're talking about the Flyers except we made the post-season too

[belak]

pidge said:

2.8 million is over 3 years my friend

941k per season

So io think plenty of cap space is still available for us to get DP in on the top line

I must have read it wrong, either way there's not too much talent available left on the UFA front. I'd like Carter as a Leaf, but if he wants to sign for the money he's reportedly after, it wont be in Toronto.

I think the best thing Detroit could do, is go into the season under the cap and then maybe make a trade with a team who wants a salary dump. I'm quite surprised that Holland didn't replace Shanahan, who I think you'll miss. If one of your prospects steps up and starts scoring, I hear good things about Hudler, then it probably wont be too much of an issue.

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Hudler has potential but i don t think he ll ever hold down a regular place in the NHL, too much flickering between AHL/NHL to be honest, has great talent, a better candidate is Igor Grigorenko, this guy has class and ability in abundance, its a shame he had a bad car accident a couple of years a go and has been in Russia ever since, but i think Detroit still have the rights to him.

Holland may bide his time in replacing shanny, he ll knock 30 in this year id expect but his best years are well past him, id expect him to have 3 yars max left in the show

[belak]

pidge said:

Hudler has potential but i don t think he ll ever hold down a regular place in the NHL, too much flickering between AHL/NHL to be honest, has great talent, a better candidate is Igor Grigorenko, this guy has class and ability in abundance, its a shame he had a bad car accident a couple of years a go and has been in Russia ever since, but i think Detroit still have the rights to him.

Holland may bide his time in replacing shanny, he ll knock 30 in this year id expect but his best years are well past him, id expect him to have 3 yars max left in the show

I read that Hudler is regarded as a sleeper...

As for Shanahan, 40 goals haven't been replaced on the Detroit roster and I think that's a big loss.