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Post by Jono Bullard on Apr 6, 2024 22:00:25 GMT
If Dundee only got a point, and we won in regulation, then we'd have more regulation wins than them (currently 15 each), so we'd finish above them. In fact if we got an overtime win, and they lose in overtime, we could have to go to the fourth tie-breaker (head to head record). No idea who wins that. It just so happens:
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Post by spik on Apr 6, 2024 22:03:00 GMT
If Dundee only got a point, and we won in regulation, then we'd have more regulation wins than them (currently 15 each), so we'd finish above them. In fact if we got an overtime win, and they lose in overtime, we could have to go to the fourth tie-breaker (head to head record). No idea who wins that. If we get an overtime win = 50 pts and Dundee lose in OT = 50pts, surely we lose on 'all games won' scenario? No I've got that wrong.... head spinning now.lol
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Post by Jono Bullard on Apr 6, 2024 22:03:26 GMT
Regulation/Overtime/penalties in that priority
Panthers won in OT, Stars on penalties, therefore Panthers have the higher priority
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Post by Yotes on Apr 6, 2024 22:05:16 GMT
If Dundee only got a point, and we won in regulation, then we'd have more regulation wins than them (currently 15 each), so we'd finish above them. In fact if we got an overtime win, and they lose in overtime, we could have to go to the fourth tie-breaker (head to head record). No idea who wins that. If we get an overtime win = 50 pts and Dundee lose in OT = 50pts, surely we lose on 'all games won' scenario? We'd both have 15 regulation wins, and 6 overtime wins, 21 in total.
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 6, 2024 22:07:10 GMT
Regulation/Overtime/penalties in that priority Panthers won in OT, Stars on penalties, therefore Panthers have the higher priority I missed the OT over penalties priority. I'd moved on to regulation losses. Also tied. Was about to look at tie breaker 6. That gets you in to away games. Thanks for saving me that.
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Post by spik on Apr 6, 2024 22:09:23 GMT
If we get an overtime win = 50 pts and Dundee lose in OT = 50pts, surely we lose on 'all games won' scenario? We'd both have 15 regulation wins, and 6 overtime wins, 21 in total. Yes...then as you said, surely. In the event of teams being equal on points at the end of a season, the following criteria will decide the final league ranking; i. Total number of points. ii. Total number of games won in regulation time. iii. Total number of all games won (regulation, overtime and penalties).- combined...?iv. The results of games played between the relevant teams by applying points won, games won in regulation time, all games won (regulation time/overtime/penalties), in that order of priority.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 6, 2024 22:09:51 GMT
I was hoping we'd get to drawing lots.
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 6, 2024 22:11:46 GMT
Just got back from Altrimcham. Fantastic performance. To get such a convincing win with the top line not needing to trouble is some result. Rok came up big again.
So pleased we go in to tomorrow with a chance. Could even finish 7th. 🤣
The biggest shame will be that when our game finishes we'll have no idea if we'll see the team again.
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 6, 2024 22:13:47 GMT
We'd both have 15 regulation wins, and 6 overtime wins, 21 in total. Yes...then as you said, surely. In the event of teams being equal on points at the end of a season, the following criteria will decide the final league ranking; i. Total number of points. ii. Total number of games won in regulation time. iii. Total number of all games won (regulation, overtime and penalties). iv. The results of games played between the relevant teams by applying points won, games won in regulation time, all games won (regulation time/overtime/penalties), in that order of priority. Or, does the, in that order priority exclude the brackets(the way I first read it)? In which case we are down to tie breaker 6, away games.
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 6, 2024 22:16:48 GMT
Yes...then as you said, surely. In the event of teams being equal on points at the end of a season, the following criteria will decide the final league ranking; i. Total number of points. ii. Total number of games won in regulation time. iii. Total number of all games won (regulation, overtime and penalties). iv. The results of games played between the relevant teams by applying points won, games won in regulation time, all games won (regulation time/overtime/penalties), in that order of priority. Or, does the, in that order priority exclude the brackets(the way I first read it)? In which case we are down to tie breaker 6, away games. Dundee have 1 more point in away games.
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 6, 2024 22:17:37 GMT
If Dundee only got a point, and we won in regulation, then we'd have more regulation wins than them (currently 15 each), so we'd finish above them. In fact if we got an overtime win, and they lose in overtime, we could have to go to the fourth tie-breaker (head to head record). No idea who wins that. It just so happens: But i'm sticking with this. 🤞
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Post by spik on Apr 6, 2024 22:27:10 GMT
Like the announcer says
Points won in a 'Us v Them' scenario. Points won 7-7 Won in regulation 2-2 All games won 3-3 but we win overall by winning one in OT and Dundee in SO ( OT over SO situation)....I think.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 6, 2024 22:35:23 GMT
Yes...then as you said, surely. In the event of teams being equal on points at the end of a season, the following criteria will decide the final league ranking; i. Total number of points. ii. Total number of games won in regulation time. iii. Total number of all games won (regulation, overtime and penalties). iv. The results of games played between the relevant teams by applying points won, games won in regulation time, all games won (regulation time/overtime/penalties), in that order of priority. Or, does the, in that order priority exclude the brackets(the way I first read it)? In which case we are down to tie breaker 6, away games. I'll go with what Jono says as he'll know, but the league could write that a bit more clearly. It reads more like you make a mini-league and apply breakers 1-3 from the list to that. Would be a Victor Bjorkung overtime goal to thank if it comes to that.
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Post by John Casey on Apr 6, 2024 22:49:14 GMT
Just got back from Altrimcham. Fantastic performance. To get such a convincing win with the top line not needing to trouble is some result. Rok came up big again. So pleased we go in to tomorrow with a chance. Could even finish 7th. 🤣 The biggest shame will be that when our game finishes we'll have no idea if we'll see the team again. That's why the games should start at the same time, doesn't seem right that once our game is over and we've won, that we all just scatter out not knowing. It's a shame we can't stay in the Arena, it just feels right that we find out together
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Post by wgray on Apr 6, 2024 22:51:02 GMT
Just got back from Altrimcham. Fantastic performance. To get such a convincing win with the top line not needing to trouble is some result. Rok came up big again. So pleased we go in to tomorrow with a chance. Could even finish 7th. 🤣 The biggest shame will be that when our game finishes we'll have no idea if we'll see the team again. That's why the games should start at the same time, doesn't seem right that once our game is over and we've won, that we all just scatter out not knowing. It's a shame we can't stay in the Arena, it just feels right that we find out together Hang around the arena’s local pubs, I’m sure there will be loads of fans doing that
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Post by wgray on Apr 6, 2024 22:54:12 GMT
Top performance from the Panthers tonight in a tough rink, we were flying. The fact that the top line didn’t make the scoresheet either says a lot to. It was brilliant to see so many Panthers fans in attendance as well, great atmosphere and support for the team
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Post by bobness on Apr 7, 2024 8:16:31 GMT
Or, does the, in that order priority exclude the brackets(the way I first read it)? In which case we are down to tie breaker 6, away games. I'll go with what Jono says as he'll know, but the league could write that a bit more clearly. It reads more like you make a mini-league and apply breakers 1-3 from the list to that. Would be a Victor Bjorkung overtime goal to thank if it comes to that. Yes, it is splendidly badly written, much like all official EIHL proclamations. Let’s hope we don’t have to go to that level of detail and mumbo-jumbo wooliness.
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Post by Jono Bullard on Apr 7, 2024 9:30:27 GMT
It seems the OT trumping penalties scenario is wrong. Here are all the scenarios for Panthers to qualify as published on the EIHL website this morning.
Nottingham Panthers must win in regulation, and hope that at least one of Coventry or Dundee lose, plus that Glasgow get no more than one point.
Were the Panthers to finish level on 49 points with Dundee (i.e. Dundee lose, Panthers lose in OT/SO), Dundee would win the tie-break on total wins
Were the Panthers and Stars to finish level on 50 points (i.e. Panthers win, Dundee lose OT/SO), a Panthers regulation win would see them win the tie-break on regulation wins. A Panthers OT/SO win would, however, see the teams tied on five straight tie-break points. It would come down to Point 6 - 'Away Games', whereby Dundee already have one point more and cannot be caught.
The Panthers cannot lose a tie-break with Glasgow
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 7, 2024 9:33:11 GMT
It seems the OT trumping penalties scenario is wrong. Here are all the scenarios for Panthers to qualify as published on the EIHL website this morning. Nottingham Panthers must win in regulation, and hope that at least one of Coventry or Dundee lose, plus that Glasgow get no more than one point.
Were the Panthers to finish level on 49 points with Dundee (i.e. Dundee lose, Panthers lose in OT/SO), Dundee would win the tie-break on total wins
Were the Panthers and Stars to finish level on 50 points (i.e. Panthers win, Dundee lose OT/SO), a Panthers regulation win would see them win the tie-break on regulation wins. A Panthers OT/SO win would, however, see the teams tied on five straight tie-break points. It would come down to Point 6 - 'Away Games', whereby Dundee already have one point more and cannot be caught.
The Panthers cannot lose a tie-break with GlasgowThanks for updating. Really not happy I was correct first time around on this one. 😫
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Post by rexkramer on Apr 7, 2024 10:09:12 GMT
Essentially, it all boils down to 'win in regulation and see what happens'. I'd have taken that after the Clan game.
And at the end of the day, this group of players have astonishing resilience. That will almost certainly be applauded this afternoon.
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Post by bobness on Apr 7, 2024 10:16:45 GMT
It seems the OT trumping penalties scenario is wrong. Here are all the scenarios for Panthers to qualify as published on the EIHL website this morning. Nottingham Panthers must win in regulation, and hope that at least one of Coventry or Dundee lose, plus that Glasgow get no more than one point.
Were the Panthers to finish level on 49 points with Dundee (i.e. Dundee lose, Panthers lose in OT/SO), Dundee would win the tie-break on total wins
Were the Panthers and Stars to finish level on 50 points (i.e. Panthers win, Dundee lose OT/SO), a Panthers regulation win would see them win the tie-break on regulation wins. A Panthers OT/SO win would, however, see the teams tied on five straight tie-break points. It would come down to Point 6 - 'Away Games', whereby Dundee already have one point more and cannot be caught.
The Panthers cannot lose a tie-break with GlasgowThanks for updating. Really not happy I was correct first time around on this one. 😫 Well, at least that’s confirmed. Would’ve been nice if it was written to be a tad more visible for us all, prior to any announcement.
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Post by bobness on Apr 8, 2024 17:58:03 GMT
I note that Panthers 4th goal is credited to Henbrant, despite it being Luciani whose bum it goes in off, Henbrant being not, in any sense, there at the time... 88/98 confusion, I fear. One assumes it will be sorted.
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