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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 10:58:57 GMT
Just compare Panthers approach to the season to that of giants, the latter announces their coaches and some of their key players early to set the tone.. panthers announce 3 Brits and a coach, and hardly any interaction since, it's all a bit wishy washy.. one team is geared up to be the best they can, the other team isn't !
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Post by iginla on Jun 6, 2023 11:01:18 GMT
Do we have to do things in a specific order? If we start the season without one then fair enough you can criticise Pacha and the club but there was never a timeframe on it so to keep criticising them for not having one yet is ridiculous Especially when you think having an assistant coach is a waste of money No I didn’t. I said in a league where money rules,the assistant coach wage is far better spent on players because they’re the ones that really make the difference. Nice to have an assistant coach but I’d much rather throw an extra £20k or whatever into the playing budget.
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Post by iginla on Jun 6, 2023 11:13:24 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if it ends up being the easy option that is Rick Strachan.... yet again In one of his (few) interviews when talking about a prospective assistant coach Pacha made a throwaway comment about Rick being a good guy and see if we can utilise him somehow Rick may well be a good guy, he knows the city and the club but he's barely coached since 2017. If we end up with him as assistant coach it shows no ambition and no desire to improve the club on ice. And is yet another sign that other than cosmetically little or nothing has changed Exactly if RS is back behind the bench that tells you everything you need to know about the club, surely paredes had his own coaches in France how can you work with coach you barely know? It will all have been lip service and guess what I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's back.. another season of failure incoming Hey Pidge If the fans are really lucky the club might just push the boat out and give Davey Graham or Adam Goodridge another crack ! 🤣🤣🙈
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 11:17:09 GMT
Exactly if RS is back behind the bench that tells you everything you need to know about the club, surely paredes had his own coaches in France how can you work with coach you barely know? It will all have been lip service and guess what I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's back.. another season of failure incoming Hey Pidge If the fans are really lucky the club might just push the boat out and give Davey Graham or Adam Goodridge another crack ! 🤣🤣🙈 And they (fans) wonder why we don't win owt either.. and if they think paredes can win silverware on a shoestring budget they will be very disappointed.. it's been proven in this league to win things you have a spend £££
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 6, 2023 12:39:08 GMT
Hey Pidge If the fans are really lucky the club might just push the boat out and give Davey Graham or Adam Goodridge another crack ! 🤣🤣🙈 And they (fans) wonder why we don't win owt either.. and if they think paredes can win silverware on a shoestring budget they will be very disappointed.. it's been proven in this league to win things you have a spend £££ NB wins every week. That's all that matters in Pantherland
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Post by awooga on Jun 6, 2023 12:47:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 12:54:02 GMT
Carry on trying to be the wise guy but we both are usually right.. and will be proved to be come next April
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Post by bobness on Jun 6, 2023 13:00:33 GMT
Carry on trying to be the wise guy but we both are usually right.. and will be proved to be come next April A broken clock is right twice a day. It's easy to say Panthers won't win the league/cup/playoffs, because 9 of the 10 teams don't win them. Easy to base what may happen on what historically has. When that then happens, that doesn't make you geniuses. I genuinely sometimes wonder why you're both still "fans".
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Post by awooga on Jun 6, 2023 13:01:20 GMT
Carry on trying to be the wise guy but we both are usually right.. and will be proved to be come next April Haha! You may be right. I’m probably not far off with the comparison though am I?
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 6, 2023 13:36:10 GMT
Especially when you think having an assistant coach is a waste of money No I didn’t. I said in a league where money rules,the assistant coach wage is far better spent on players because they’re the ones that really make the difference. Nice to have an assistant coach but I’d much rather throw an extra £20k or whatever into the playing budget. Who ever said that having extra coaches would take money out of the player wage budget? So far only you. Because if that were the case then Belfast could only ever afford to ice 2 lines with their coaching set up. You're *assuming* a) that Panthers aren't going to spend up to the wage cap like other teams, b) that an assistant coach would take money from the budget and c) that not having one allows you to throw extra money at the player budget regardless of the wage cap. That's a lot of assumptions for one post. And if, as you say, it's a league where money rules surely you'd want the Panthers to spend extra money on top of spending up to the player wage cap to get the best or of the players as well. A la Belfast? Our line up last year wasn't cheap on paper by any means. If we could have spent more on the players maybe having extra coaches might have got more or of them.
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Post by iginla on Jun 6, 2023 13:36:20 GMT
Carry on trying to be the wise guy but we both are usually right.. and will be proved to be come next April Haha! You may be right. I’m probably not far off with the comparison though am I? A broken clock is only right twice a day. We’ve both been right all day,every day for TEN YEARS. Don’t worry, you’ll learn over time as the barren seasons go by. 😆
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Post by Joe on Jun 6, 2023 13:36:34 GMT
Carry on trying to be the wise guy but we both are usually right.. and will be proved to be come next April Just because Panthers are predictable doesn’t mean you are these ice hockey oracles whose word we should take as gospel
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 6, 2023 13:40:30 GMT
Carry on trying to be the wise guy but we both are usually right.. and will be proved to be come next April Placing a bet which has a 90% chance of being right any year doesn't make anyone unusually insightful in and of itself though. It just means you've placed a safe bet. As you say being 'usually right' isn't especially hard with a 90% chance of being right be default every time
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 6, 2023 13:42:48 GMT
Haha! You may be right. I’m probably not far off with the comparison though am I? A broken clock is only right twice a day. We’ve both been right all day,every day for TEN YEARS. Don’t worry, you’ll learn over time as the barren seasons go by. 😆 Could have sworn you guys had majorly different opinions about the club and it's chances just last summer...
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Post by iginla on Jun 6, 2023 13:49:50 GMT
No I didn’t. I said in a league where money rules,the assistant coach wage is far better spent on players because they’re the ones that really make the difference. Nice to have an assistant coach but I’d much rather throw an extra £20k or whatever into the playing budget. Who ever said that having extra coaches would take money out of the player wage budget? So far only you. Because if that were the case then Belfast could only ever afford to ice 2 lines with their coaching set up. You're *assuming* a) that Panthers aren't going to spend up to the wage cap like other teams, b) that an assistant coach would take money from the budget and c) that not having one allows you to throw extra money at the player budget regardless of the wage cap. That's a lot of assumptions for one post. And if, as you say, it's a league where money rules surely you'd want the Panthers to spend extra money on top of spending up to the player wage cap to get the best or of the players as well. A la Belfast? Our line up last year wasn't cheap on paper by any means. If we could have spent more on the players maybe having extra coaches might have got more or of them. Ha you’d have needed three or four NHL coaches to get anything out of last years disaster and then they might have scraped 5th place if they were lucky. 🤣 The wage cap is nonsense, easily got round if you want to, it depends how much you want to. I wonder how much “cash only” swilled around at the tat (sorry kit) sale the other day.....Hmmmmm ? Panthers should have an assistant coach and a top class roster yet season,after season,after season they fail and they’re getting worse. I’m assuming nothing,I know some of the stuff that’s gone on behind the scenes in years gone by and it doesn’t look like much has changed these last couple of years.
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Post by iginla on Jun 6, 2023 13:56:50 GMT
Carry on trying to be the wise guy but we both are usually right.. and will be proved to be come next April Placing a bet which has a 90% chance of being right any year doesn't make anyone unusually insightful in and of itself though. It just means you've placed a safe bet. As you say being 'usually right' isn't especially hard with a 90% chance of being right be default every time Your insinuating that ALL of the ten teams actually have a realistic chance of winning anything. How’s that trophy share out gone then for the last ten years, I must have missed Dundee,Fife,Clan,Storm, Blaze and Flames winning their share ! 🤣
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 6, 2023 14:09:17 GMT
Placing a bet which has a 90% chance of being right any year doesn't make anyone unusually insightful in and of itself though. It just means you've placed a safe bet. As you say being 'usually right' isn't especially hard with a 90% chance of being right be default every time Your insinuating that ALL of the ten teams actually have a realistic chance of winning anything. How’s that trophy share out gone then for the last ten years, I must have missed Dundee,Fife,Clan,Storm, Blaze and Flames winning their share ! 🤣 No I'm not. I'm just assuming that in any given year an team has a 1 in 10 chance of winning it statistically. Flames were 3 points away from winning it this year and Blaze and Storm both finished above us. Why so selective with the years Iggy? Does the fact Blaze have won more than 20% of all EIHL league titles awarded not fit the narrative?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 14:11:16 GMT
Your insinuating that ALL of the ten teams actually have a realistic chance of winning anything. How’s that trophy share out gone then for the last ten years, I must have missed Dundee,Fife,Clan,Storm, Blaze and Flames winning their share ! 🤣 No I'm not. I'm just assuming that in any given year an team has a 1 in 10 chance of winning it statistically. Flames were 3 points away from winning it this year and Blaze and Storm both finished above us. Why so selective with the years Iggy? Does the fact Blaze have won more than 20% of all EIHL league titles awarded not fit the narrative? They won their titles when teams were generally spending what they were and that was shortly after they stepped up from the BNL with DC/AC etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 14:12:35 GMT
Carry on trying to be the wise guy but we both are usually right.. and will be proved to be come next April A broken clock is right twice a day. It's easy to say Panthers won't win the league/cup/playoffs, because 9 of the 10 teams don't win them. Easy to base what may happen on what historically has. When that then happens, that doesn't make you geniuses. I genuinely sometimes wonder why you're both still "fans". You're correct but come September do you think they'll be a even split on opinion that Belfast or panthers will win the league? NO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 14:14:24 GMT
Bobness simple question:-
Are panthers giving the impression they are doing everything they can to be successful on the ice?
And don't dodge it like a crap politician please
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 6, 2023 14:20:04 GMT
Haha! You may be right. I’m probably not far off with the comparison though am I? A broken clock is only right twice a day. We’ve both been right all day,every day for TEN YEARS. Don’t worry, you’ll learn over time as the barren seasons go by. 😆 Again why so selective with the years. Haven't we established that it's easier to be right about lack of success already? What about before then? What about predicting the successful years? After all we've won more EIHL trophies than anyone else. Surely you predicted that as well then Iggy? All those successful years. When NB was also the owner. At least Pidge came out and said that Corey might be an inspired choice as a coach Iggy. Now that was not placing a safe bet if you remember that summer. So presumably being usually right you predicted all those trophies too?
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 6, 2023 14:21:12 GMT
No I'm not. I'm just assuming that in any given year an team has a 1 in 10 chance of winning it statistically. Flames were 3 points away from winning it this year and Blaze and Storm both finished above us. Why so selective with the years Iggy? Does the fact Blaze have won more than 20% of all EIHL league titles awarded not fit the narrative? They won their titles when teams were generally spending what they were and that was shortly after they stepped up from the BNL with DC/AC etc. Was a golden age for them. I miss the DC/AC era for them
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Post by iginla on Jun 6, 2023 14:27:24 GMT
Your insinuating that ALL of the ten teams actually have a realistic chance of winning anything. How’s that trophy share out gone then for the last ten years, I must have missed Dundee,Fife,Clan,Storm, Blaze and Flames winning their share ! 🤣 No I'm not. I'm just assuming that in any given year an team has a 1 in 10 chance of winning it statistically. Flames were 3 points away from winning it this year and Blaze and Storm both finished above us. Why so selective with the years Iggy? Does the fact Blaze have won more than 20% of all EIHL league titles awarded not fit the narrative? Go back to the start of the EIHL then, what 20 years and there are still only 5 teams that have ever won a trophy. And the Blaze bought it for a couple of years then had to get the bucket collection out. 🤣 Lol
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Post by bobness on Jun 6, 2023 14:31:59 GMT
We’ve both been right all day,every day for TEN YEARS. You need to look up the word "hubris". And "cobblers" to be fair.
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Post by iginla on Jun 6, 2023 14:34:22 GMT
A broken clock is only right twice a day. We’ve both been right all day,every day for TEN YEARS. Don’t worry, you’ll learn over time as the barren seasons go by. 😆 Again why so selective with the years. Haven't we established that it's easier to be right about lack of success already? What about before then? What about predicting the successful years? After all we've won more EIHL trophies than anyone else. Surely you predicted that as well then Iggy? All those successful years. When NB was also the owner. At least Pidge came out and said that Corey might be an inspired choice as a coach Iggy. Now that was not placing a safe bet if you remember that summer. So presumably being usually right you predicted all those trophies too? Ah yes the golden Panthers years. You know,the ones where Devils and Steelers were both in a dire mess offering little threat after Phillips and Regan ruined them both and the Giants were struggling along on crowds of about 3000 padded out with school kids. I remember them well,whatever happened to Panthers after that. They could have built a dynasty but failed miserably!
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