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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 11, 2023 11:27:29 GMT
Yes I've seen that too. The Brits at any cost, night-out entertainment, quiz-nighters, and happy clappers are the vast majority of the Panthers fan base now. As a pure sports fan, I think the days of being a Panthers supporter are now done. I don't even get what people find interesting or endearing about players like Tousignant, he wasn't even a particularly good agitator or player but people absolutely adore him online seemingly. I consider myself a fairly reasonable person and I understand people go to hockey for different reasons but I too find people's excitement and commitment to the non-competitive aspects of the club baffling in truth. More so the disdain people are held in when they deign to suggest the club is massively underperforming where it's supposed to matter. He was probably chatty and smiley at meet the players nights. He was a plank on the ice and Alan Carr is a better agitator.
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Post by bobness on May 11, 2023 12:41:06 GMT
The only problem you could ever aim at Puffer was the idiot who signed him. His hard work for three periods of every game cannot be faulted. His only problem was he wasn't an EIHL standard player Sometimes nicer to say nothing if you've nothing nice to say. He should easily have been good enough. 2 seasons ago in Denmark he comfortably outscored a certain Brett Welychka and Charles Corcoran, both of whom scored for fun in the EIHL. Whatever his "problem" was last season, it wasn't his ability.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 13:13:33 GMT
The only problem you could ever aim at Puffer was the idiot who signed him. His hard work for three periods of every game cannot be faulted. His only problem was he wasn't an EIHL standard player Sometimes nicer to say nothing if you've nothing nice to say. He should easily have been good enough. 2 seasons ago in Denmark he comfortably outscored a certain Brett Welychka and Charles Corcoran, both of whom scored for fun in the EIHL. Whatever his "problem" was last season, it wasn't his ability. Same issues and Josh Shalla, clearly couldn't settle over here .. can't think of anything else
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Post by wgray on May 11, 2023 15:43:29 GMT
Having recently been at the Worlds, the Italy and Poland games produced the best atmospheres I've heard in that building in years but it was because of the on-ice product being exciting rather than the efforts of the GB Supporters Club (no ill-will, just the 3rd time you've heard G......B *drum roll* G.....B it starts to grind a bit.) So if there is a suggestion to move the Block 19 guys to Block 14 then I hope it's not actioned. I just find stuff like that incredibly bleak to be honest when you're being demolished on ice. If Panthers put together a somewhat winning team (LOL) the atmosphere issue will resolve itself. Does anybody think that moving the drums to the other end of the arena (back of Block 8 or 12 perhaps), where there’s more people in a closer proximity to the drums, would help to improve the dreadful atmosphere at our games? Granted, the team on the ice is what gets the fans going, but even in years where we have had a good team, the NIC has always been quiet
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Post by Higgy on May 11, 2023 16:28:06 GMT
Having recently been at the Worlds, the Italy and Poland games produced the best atmospheres I've heard in that building in years but it was because of the on-ice product being exciting rather than the efforts of the GB Supporters Club (no ill-will, just the 3rd time you've heard G......B *drum roll* G.....B it starts to grind a bit.) So if there is a suggestion to move the Block 19 guys to Block 14 then I hope it's not actioned. I just find stuff like that incredibly bleak to be honest when you're being demolished on ice. If Panthers put together a somewhat winning team (LOL) the atmosphere issue will resolve itself. Does anybody think that moving the drums to the other end of the arena (back of Block 8 or 12 perhaps), where there’s more people in a closer proximity to the drums, would help to improve the dreadful atmosphere at our games? Granted, the team on the ice is what gets the fans going, but even in years where we have had a good team, the NIC has always been quiet I think block 10 would be perfect,smack bang in the middle of the arena,most noisy areas of European arenas are directly behind a goal,block 14 as was suggested would be a bit odd (even if GB used it)
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Post by DMS on May 11, 2023 18:15:12 GMT
Does anybody think that moving the drums to the other end of the arena (back of Block 8 or 12 perhaps), where there’s more people in a closer proximity to the drums, would help to improve the dreadful atmosphere at our games? Granted, the team on the ice is what gets the fans going, but even in years where we have had a good team, the NIC has always been quiet I think block 10 would be perfect,smack bang in the middle of the arena,most noisy areas of European arenas are directly behind a goal,block 14 as was suggested would be a bit odd (even if GB used it) Block 14 was probably only suggest as you say because of where GB were this past week. It’s not actually a logical thought out suggestion (or an original thought just following something someone else has already done) which doesn’t surprise me!
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Post by Robbie Nud on May 12, 2023 7:32:42 GMT
In the worlds, the drums were in block 14, because that was where the GBSC were and you had a block that sang and chanted all game long; and in turn encouraged much of the rest of the arena to join in. In block 19 you have a couple of drums but, in relantion to the number of people, very few in there and they dont chant or make noise for parts of the game and sometimes that coes when the spotlight is put on them.
Besides if you move them to another part they are going to disturb other hockey goers and they might make them drop a stitch from their knitting, lose their place in their book, put them off their suduko or wake them up.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 8:54:10 GMT
Behind the goal is the natural way of getting the atmosphere going. I've been to games in the Swedish Elite league and it's insane , problem is over here the drums etc are just a rammed mess, sat near them over in Belfast and could hav shoved his stick where the sun don't shine!
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Post by PantherTom on May 13, 2023 21:37:52 GMT
Would be decent in block 10! Could have flags/Tifos for some games
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Post by Big Popper on May 15, 2023 8:45:39 GMT
OK so I went along last week in the hope that I would find answers to why we were so poor last year and what we would be doing better this coming season. Very quickly I become cross at all the whining people wanting more for their money, Why can't we have something extra for handing over our hard earned cash, why can't the players give special waves to the season ticket holders,etc. I was struggling to actually believe what I was hearing. I eventually managed to ask a question about performance, asking what Pasha thought would be a measure of success this coming year, the answer wan't exactly what I was looking for, though he did manage to say that he would be looking for us to be competitive, and to have some passion, quite how you measure that though is open to debate.
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Post by bobness on May 15, 2023 9:18:33 GMT
OK so I went along last week in the hope that I would find answers to why we were so poor last year and what we would be doing better this coming season. Very quickly I become cross at all the whining people wanting more for their money, Why can't we have something extra for handing over our hard earned cash, why can't the players give special waves to the season ticket holders,etc. I was struggling to actually believe what I was hearing. I eventually managed to ask a question about performance, asking what Pasha thought would be a measure of success this coming year, the answer wan't exactly what I was looking for, though he did manage to say that he would be looking for us to be competitive, and to have some passion, quite how you measure that though is open to debate. Interesting. I guess invested sponsors/season ticket holders have a slightly different take to non-invested (at least financially) non-sponsors, to be fair, although "special waves" are a bit niche, I'd have to say... Does anyone on here actually sponsor a player or the club with anything?
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Post by Spooks on May 15, 2023 13:05:54 GMT
Just because YOU buy a season ticket it should not mean your entitled to anything extra apart from first dibs at any other game that requires tickets.
This should have been shot down in a instant, its really that simple.
Success > Everything in sport... Not a nice night out for the family for crying out loud.
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Post by TjPanther on May 15, 2023 13:28:19 GMT
Just because YOU buy a season ticket it should not mean your entitled to anything extra apart from first dibs at any other game that requires tickets. This should have been shot down in a instant, its really that simple. Success > Everything in sport... Not a nice night out for the family for crying out loud. Exactly this, the club should point out (to those who don’t understand the concept of competitive sport) that we’re a professional team. if some want a fun family night out where winning isn’t important go to the bowling next door.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 15, 2023 14:02:10 GMT
OK so I went along last week in the hope that I would find answers to why we were so poor last year and what we would be doing better this coming season. Very quickly I become cross at all the whining people wanting more for their money, Why can't we have something extra for handing over our hard earned cash, why can't the players give special waves to the season ticket holders,etc. I was struggling to actually believe what I was hearing. I eventually managed to ask a question about performance, asking what Pasha thought would be a measure of success this coming year, the answer wan't exactly what I was looking for, though he did manage to say that he would be looking for us to be competitive, and to have some passion, quite how you measure that though is open to debate. Interesting. I guess invested sponsors/season ticket holders have a slightly different take to non-invested (at least financially) non-sponsors, to be fair, although "special waves" are a bit niche, I'd have to say... Does anyone on here actually sponsor a player or the club with anything? When the kids were very young (primary school) and we were getting them introduced to ice hockey we sponsored a couple of players for them to get involved, which worked pretty well and the players bought into the idea with that too. Would we sponsor a player now as an adult? Not in a million years. The Panthers are not the same team now and the EIHL isn't even the same league now. I've sat here for a few minutes trying not to be so blunt, but in all honesty, to sponsor a player now is just an idiot tax and pretty much single-handedly points a finger at everything wrong with the Panthers now. I know sponsors of players at other teams (to a far higher degree than any Panthers player has ever been sponsored) and when those teams have been doing the business on the ice I can understand that. To sponsor a Panthers player in the last few years you must have seriously sore hands from clapping. To sponsor a player or team as a business is purely a commercial decision but as an individual just to hand the money over for a smiley photo and a Facebook follow has as much to do with the genuine ice hockey fans walking away as the performance on the ice as anything else.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 15, 2023 14:05:23 GMT
Just because YOU buy a season ticket it should not mean your entitled to anything extra apart from first dibs at any other game that requires tickets. This should have been shot down in a instant, its really that simple. Success > Everything in sport... Not a nice night out for the family for crying out loud. But unfortunately, those people have taken over. They are in the majority now.
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Post by Joe on May 15, 2023 14:12:34 GMT
Just because YOU buy a season ticket it should not mean your entitled to anything extra apart from first dibs at any other game that requires tickets. This should have been shot down in a instant, its really that simple. Success > Everything in sport... Not a nice night out for the family for crying out loud. I think the asking for extras has stemmed from teams like Belfast including a lot more benefits for those who have purchased season tickets. I think it’s incredibly naive to think that just because Belfast can do it then so can we because ST benefits are often freebies from sponsors and the more successful you are the more sponsors you’ll have wanting to work with you
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Post by Joe on May 15, 2023 14:22:42 GMT
Interesting. I guess invested sponsors/season ticket holders have a slightly different take to non-invested (at least financially) non-sponsors, to be fair, although "special waves" are a bit niche, I'd have to say... Does anyone on here actually sponsor a player or the club with anything? When the kids were very young (primary school) and we were getting them introduced to ice hockey we sponsored a couple of players for them to get involved, which worked pretty well and the players bought into the idea with that too. Would we sponsor a player now as an adult? Not in a million years. The Panthers are not the same team now and the EIHL isn't even the same league now. I've sat here for a few minutes trying not to be so blunt, but in all honesty, to sponsor a player now is just an idiot tax and pretty much single-handedly points a finger at everything wrong with the Panthers now. I know sponsors of players at other teams (to a far higher degree than any Panthers player has ever been sponsored) and when those teams have been doing the business on the ice I can understand that. To sponsor a Panthers player in the last few years you must have seriously sore hands from clapping. To sponsor a player or team as a business is purely a commercial decision but as an individual just to hand the money over for a smiley photo and a Facebook follow has as much to do with the genuine ice hockey fans walking away as the performance on the ice as anything else. I think the way the new generation of fans support ice hockey teams in general has changed over the last few years, it seems to have shifted from supporting the club to supporting the roster. It seems as though fans need to have a new favourite every year which then leads to them caring more about collecting merch, player selfies, fan events and supporting them regardless of performance rather than the end result on the ice
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Post by Robbie Nud on May 15, 2023 14:33:28 GMT
Does anyone on here actually sponsor a player or the club with anything? Not for many years, In the past have sponsored players, parts of their kit (does anyone remember when you could sponsor everything from their skates to their box protection?), shirts, a brick in the wall.
All to be paid in cash.
I know one of the main sponsors and he has pumped..erm. paid hundreds of thousands over the years, and gets almost nothing for it!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 14:40:22 GMT
Just because YOU buy a season ticket it should not mean your entitled to anything extra apart from first dibs at any other game that requires tickets. This should have been shot down in a instant, its really that simple. Success > Everything in sport... Not a nice night out for the family for crying out loud. Exactly this, the club should point out (to those who don’t understand the concept of competitive sport) that we’re a professional team. if some want a fun family night out where winning isn’t important go to the bowling next door. Exactly this, too many want a family night and the result is of little importance to this 'modern fan' They forget it's a professional sport not some social club! It's embarrassing really you just have to see on social media it's very prevelant on there 🤦
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Post by Caesar on May 15, 2023 18:35:34 GMT
It would appear that the Nottingham Panthers are finally getting the fanbase that reflects the ethos and direction of the owner. The days of this club being a sports team have been slowly slipping away for years and this is the result of it. Sad, sad times
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 15, 2023 21:52:09 GMT
It would appear that the Nottingham Panthers are finally getting the fanbase that reflects the ethos and direction of the owner. The days of this club being a sports team have been slowly slipping away for years and this is the result of it. Sad, sad times It was often said by the people at the time: "One fan goes, and another two come along" That was always an idiotic and out of date way to run a sports franchise as well as any business and that comes to roost year on year now. Selling season tickets this off season must be harder than selling old three bar electric fires. The idiots running the Panthers over the years have only themselves to blame and I have zero confidence that it can be turned around now
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