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Post by iginla on Mar 13, 2023 13:16:53 GMT
Yes but don’t forget you’ve now got a team that didn’t perform for GG and another team with SIX new players that isn’t performing for Corey. That suggests to me that not only is either coach not that great but that the problem is far deeper than just the coach. I want to hear Omar and Blacks take on the badly underperforming hockey side of things because the pair of them publicly seem to be just sitting back doing nothing. This “other team with 6 new players” isn’t exactly accurate as Levin and Ricci were both GG signings and Lahtinen/Izacky have only been here for around 4 of the 16 weeks Neilson has been here so to act like Neilson has had half a new team is unfair. Ultimately while the core of this roster remains whoever is in charge would fail to turn this team around There is Jones and Lindgren too. And Ricci and Levin although signed under GG both played very few games before GG was fired.
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Post by bobness on Mar 13, 2023 13:17:03 GMT
Tell you what's even rarer. A PPG. That makes Panthers 2 for 21 on the PP since the Steelers game 4 Feb. Ouch. Since Neilson's arrival, the PP has got worse and worse. Panthers have comfortably scored the least PPGs in the EIHL this season, albeit from also comfortably the least opportunities.
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Post by Joe on Mar 13, 2023 13:27:41 GMT
Corey cannot use the excuse that he didn't sign this team. When in Germany the GM of his DEL2 team signed the players not Corey. So he should be used to that scenario. Corey knew what he was walking into when he came back here, al9ng with all the off ice distractions that linger around the players. No wonder the players struggle to remain focused. Until the club prioritises on ice performance over what cerain sponsors want this club will never develop the Winning mentality Omar allegedly wants. We must be the only club where management backs a sponsor over what the then coach wants, simply because of Money... Panthers are professional... yeah okay.. Heaven forbid a situation could occur this season where the coach cancels the players day off because he is unhappy with their ollective performance. Yet some players refuse to go in for training that day and instead clear off to London... Of course this would never happen... I get what you’re saying that Neilson has experience of coaching a team he didn’t sign so therefore can’t use it as an excuse but his roster in DEL 2 was signed to match his style of play and this roster wasn’t so to me it’s a valid excuse
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Post by sevcik on Mar 13, 2023 13:46:00 GMT
Corey cannot use the excuse that he didn't sign this team. When in Germany the GM of his DEL2 team signed the players not Corey. So he should be used to that scenario. Corey knew what he was walking into when he came back here, al9ng with all the off ice distractions that linger around the players. No wonder the players struggle to remain focused. Until the club prioritises on ice performance over what cerain sponsors want this club will never develop the Winning mentality Omar allegedly wants. We must be the only club where management backs a sponsor over what the then coach wants, simply because of Money... Panthers are professional... yeah okay.. Heaven forbid a situation could occur this season where the coach cancels the players day off because he is unhappy with their ollective performance. Yet some players refuse to go in for training that day and instead clear off to London... Of course this would never happen... I get what you’re saying that Neilson has experience of coaching a team he didn’t sign so therefore can’t use it as an excuse but his roster in DEL 2 was signed to match his style of play and this roster wasn’t so to me it’s a valid excuse In Germany the reason Neilson got the push from his last team there was not just the league position but the training methods he brought in which the players didn't like. A situation akin to the one which allegedly occyrred between GG and the players here earlier this season If players were recruited to fit Corey's style of play in Germany then he had even less of an excuse to fail. Corey wanted in input into the players recruited and bring in some he knew but was told in no uncertain terms that was never going to happen. This club needs a complete reset
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 13:54:37 GMT
The club needs a culture change.. a new set of players with the same mindset will produce similar results. Players need to want to play in Nottingham and be treated well ..
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Post by iginla on Mar 13, 2023 14:41:47 GMT
Corey cannot use the excuse that he didn't sign this team. When in Germany the GM of his DEL2 team signed the players not Corey. So he should be used to that scenario. Corey knew what he was walking into when he came back here, al9ng with all the off ice distractions that linger around the players. No wonder the players struggle to remain focused. Until the club prioritises on ice performance over what cerain sponsors want this club will never develop the Winning mentality Omar allegedly wants. We must be the only club where management backs a sponsor over what the then coach wants, simply because of Money... Panthers are professional... yeah okay.. Heaven forbid a situation could occur this season where the coach cancels the players day off because he is unhappy with their ollective performance. Yet some players refuse to go in for training that day and instead clear off to London... Of course this would never happen... I get what you’re saying that Neilson has experience of coaching a team he didn’t sign so therefore can’t use it as an excuse but his roster in DEL 2 was signed to match his style of play and this roster wasn’t so to me it’s a valid excuse I’d say this was exactly the sort of team Corey would have signed himself to suit his style of play. A shedload of fancy dan forwards without paying any attention whatsoever to the defence. That’s pretty much what he did virtually every year previously in Nottingham!
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Post by sevcik on Mar 13, 2023 15:03:31 GMT
Whilst the club maintains is most thorough relationship with a certain pub and its landlady the clubs culture will never change because it won't be allowed to...
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Post by sevcik on Mar 13, 2023 15:08:11 GMT
I get what you’re saying that Neilson has experience of coaching a team he didn’t sign so therefore can’t use it as an excuse but his roster in DEL 2 was signed to match his style of play and this roster wasn’t so to me it’s a valid excuse I’d say this was exactly the sort of team Corey would have signed himself to suit his style of play. A shedload of fancy dan forwards without paying any attention whatsoever to the defence. That’s pretty much what he did virtually every year previously in Nottingham![/quote Davis Parley was a pretty decent minor league goalie before he came to us. Neilson hung him out to dry with an almost complete disregard for team defence that season. Needless to say Parley became (at least one of) the fall guys and was axed mid season. The amount if 1 on 1s he had to face when here because the defence had gone awol was unreal.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 13, 2023 15:37:54 GMT
I shake my head to myself and laugh. Pasha is the best example of the Peter Principle I have ever seen. A rink coach with a rink mentality. And then some of the fans actually think that we have a potentially good team with good players. News flash guys, they aren't good, they are the worst shower of under-skilled, uninterested crap I have ever seen at the NIC. If Pasha is still at Panthers HQ next season I will be staggered. All he's done is convert the Panthers into Dundee v2
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 16:09:16 GMT
I shake my head to myself and laugh. Pasha is the best example of the Peter Principle I have ever seen. A rink coach with a rink mentality. And then some of the fans actually think that we have a potentially good team with good players. News flash guys, they aren't good, they are the worst shower of under-skilled, uninterested crap I have ever seen at the NIC. If Pasha is still at Panthers HQ next season I will be staggered. All he's done is convert the Panthers into Dundee v2 He's more bothered about pretty jerseys than a winning hockey team
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Post by loupowell52 on Mar 13, 2023 16:38:15 GMT
The whole Club needs to be given a total refurbishment. Get a no-nonsense Head Coach. Get rid of "part time" assistants and Housing Managers. Unload all dead wood who hold or are given positions due to family or friends associations. Act in a professional manner as regards sponsors. Yes, sponsorship is important hut they must have zero input as far as the team is concerned. Regards players, sign people with a professional and mature attitude who want to play for the club and who have pride in their performance. Nottingham Panthers ownership - over to you.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 13, 2023 16:41:58 GMT
Chucking one of the guys you've signed under the bus to score fan base points is a pretty bad look IMO, same look Pacha had with GG after 4 games. If there's a disciplinary issue, keep it inside the locker room and deal with it. Guess it helps cover up the fact he's made no discernable difference to the team though.
Never go back, as they say. Hope it's not for any longer than the summer.
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Post by spik on Mar 13, 2023 17:27:45 GMT
I find myself agreeing with a lot of these comments. What ever side they are on regards coach etc...I just wish someone in the club will see what fans see (what they are upset about) and do something. If its impossible because of funds given by the owner or we are afraid of change, nothing will happen and there is nothing to look forward to in the future.
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Post by Joe on Mar 13, 2023 17:58:39 GMT
I shake my head to myself and laugh. Pasha is the best example of the Peter Principle I have ever seen. A rink coach with a rink mentality. And then some of the fans actually think that we have a potentially good team with good players. News flash guys, they aren't good, they are the worst shower of under-skilled, uninterested crap I have ever seen at the NIC. If Pasha is still at Panthers HQ next season I will be staggered. All he's done is convert the Panthers into Dundee v2 I’m not saying Pacha is perfect but I don’t see why it’s all getting blamed on him. I think it’s clear where it went wrong and will continue to go wrong given how shortly after Pacha starts talking about how he wants Panthers to be the gold standard in every area of the club and then suddenly Black puts his son in charge of finance, ultimately Pacha will never be allowed to be successful because gold standard costs money
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 13, 2023 18:06:17 GMT
I shake my head to myself and laugh. Pasha is the best example of the Peter Principle I have ever seen. A rink coach with a rink mentality. And then some of the fans actually think that we have a potentially good team with good players. News flash guys, they aren't good, they are the worst shower of under-skilled, uninterested crap I have ever seen at the NIC. If Pasha is still at Panthers HQ next season I will be staggered. All he's done is convert the Panthers into Dundee v2 I’m not saying Pacha is perfect but I don’t see why it’s all getting blamed on him. I think it’s clear where it went wrong and will continue to go wrong given how shortly after Pacha starts talking about how he wants Panthers to be the gold standard in every area of the club and then suddenly Black puts his son in charge of finance, ultimately Pacha will never be allowed to be successful because gold standard costs money Pasha obviously signed 90% of the team and they are a bunch of Scottish rink team quality duds. His actual words at his meet the fans with the American blow-hard was that he knew the true value of players and we can certainly see the value of this lot
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 13, 2023 18:13:49 GMT
Chucking one of the guys you've signed under the bus to score fan base points is a pretty bad look IMO, same look Pacha had with GG after 4 games. If there's a disciplinary issue, keep it inside the locker room and deal with it. Guess it helps cover up the fact he's made no discernable difference to the team though. Never go back, as they say. Hope it's not for any longer than the summer. After years of BS, seeing the positives when we lose, luck of the bounce etc and then straight on the the hard sell for the next game personally I find it refreshing. If he wants to throw them under the bus I’m happy to jump into the drivers seat. An arena team 7th in a tin pot league. Surely it’s time the BS ended. RS’s first period break interval interview was even more scathing yesterday so something bad is obviously going on
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Post by Joe on Mar 13, 2023 18:33:18 GMT
I’m not saying Pacha is perfect but I don’t see why it’s all getting blamed on him. I think it’s clear where it went wrong and will continue to go wrong given how shortly after Pacha starts talking about how he wants Panthers to be the gold standard in every area of the club and then suddenly Black puts his son in charge of finance, ultimately Pacha will never be allowed to be successful because gold standard costs money Pasha obviously signed 90% of the team and they are a bunch of Scottish rink team quality duds. His actual words at his meet the fans with the American blow-hard was that he knew the true value of players and we can certainly see the value of this lot Just because this team is awful why does it mean that Pacha has signed them and if he’s done 90% why not 100? Also Pacha said he’d help if needed and GG said Pacha helped with the brits due to his lack of knowledge so why would both individuals lie and try to hide something that is rather common and a form of recruitment we’ve done before
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 18:43:02 GMT
The whole Club needs to be given a total refurbishment. Get a no-nonsense Head Coach. Get rid of "part time" assistants and Housing Managers. Unload all dead wood who hold or are given positions due to family or friends associations. Act in a professional manner as regards sponsors. Yes, sponsorship is important hut they must have zero input as far as the team is concerned. Regards players, sign people with a professional and mature attitude who want to play for the club and who have pride in their performance. Nottingham Panthers ownership - over to you. We've had so called no nonsense coaches before in RC and now GG what's changed ? Honestly can anyone see things changing on ice next year for the better? The club have no identity and don't make winning at all costs a priority and that rubs off on the fans !
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Post by Yotes on Mar 13, 2023 19:03:53 GMT
After years of BS, seeing the positives when we lose, luck of the bounce etc and then straight on the the hard sell for the next game personally I find it refreshing. If he wants to throw them under the bus I’m happy to jump into the drivers seat. That was just deflection too, this is no different, just a different item doing the deflecting. So long as we never get to the point of asking "What is it you do all day?", then he's ok. And if you read Twitter, it's worked. So refreshing. No sign of Lindgren being sacked yet though, despite being a disgrace to the jersey?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 13, 2023 19:36:04 GMT
Pasha obviously signed 90% of the team and they are a bunch of Scottish rink team quality duds. His actual words at his meet the fans with the American blow-hard was that he knew the true value of players and we can certainly see the value of this lot Just because this team is awful why does it mean that Pacha has signed them and if he’s done 90% why not 100? Also Pacha said he’d help if needed and GG said Pacha helped with the brits due to his lack of knowledge so why would both individuals lie and try to hide something that is rather common and a form of recruitment we’ve done before You could tell when GG was lying, his mouth moved. Apart from Dubeau and Hunt who didn’t even turn up Pasha would have had a hand in most of the others and on our Brit side alone we are very poor. The rest are just rink team and DEL3 players
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 13, 2023 19:39:16 GMT
After years of BS, seeing the positives when we lose, luck of the bounce etc and then straight on the the hard sell for the next game personally I find it refreshing. If he wants to throw them under the bus I’m happy to jump into the drivers seat. That was just deflection too, this is no different, just a different item doing the deflecting. So long as we never get to the point of asking "What is it you do all day?", then he's ok. And if you read Twitter, it's worked. So refreshing. No sign of Lindgren being sacked yet though, despite being a disgrace to the jersey? I think it’s that desperate. At least it’s better than the old mix of Dusty Bin and Goebbels. Will be interesting to see if he’s on the bench tomorrow
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Post by iginla on Mar 13, 2023 22:44:21 GMT
I shake my head to myself and laugh. Pasha is the best example of the Peter Principle I have ever seen. A rink coach with a rink mentality. And then some of the fans actually think that we have a potentially good team with good players. News flash guys, they aren't good, they are the worst shower of under-skilled, uninterested crap I have ever seen at the NIC. If Pasha is still at Panthers HQ next season I will be staggered. All he's done is convert the Panthers into Dundee v2 I’m not saying Pacha is perfect but I don’t see why it’s all getting blamed on him. I think it’s clear where it went wrong and will continue to go wrong given how shortly after Pacha starts talking about how he wants Panthers to be the gold standard in every area of the club and then suddenly Black puts his son in charge of finance, ultimately Pacha will never be allowed to be successful because gold standard costs money But we are lead to believe that all the bigger teams are spending the same (Kelman’s £12.5k wage cap) and it’s Pacha himself who has said that,not once either but about four times. One can only assume they are too, if not then Pacha was damn stupid to say it. He was the one who said he would create an identity and he hasn’t done,where is it ? He also said he wanted to create a “gold standard” club, well to date he hasn’t even reached the medal podium for a bronze ! He said “he knew the value of players” which was no doubt music to Blacks ears,but look what got recruited, probably the worst performing team for many years. He appointed a coach that turned out to be awful, then lazily swopped him for a stale one that even in the days of having a big budget advantage failed to even mount a title challenge in every one of his ten years bar one. Basically,apart from an improvement in social media output Pacha has failed miserably and IF he is still in the job next season then he’s a lucky chap !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 13, 2023 23:00:43 GMT
I’m not saying Pacha is perfect but I don’t see why it’s all getting blamed on him. I think it’s clear where it went wrong and will continue to go wrong given how shortly after Pacha starts talking about how he wants Panthers to be the gold standard in every area of the club and then suddenly Black puts his son in charge of finance, ultimately Pacha will never be allowed to be successful because gold standard costs money But we are lead to believe that all the bigger teams are spending the same (Kelman’s £12.5k wage cap) and it’s Pacha himself who has said that,not once either but about four times. One can only assume they are too, if not then Pacha was damn stupid to say it. He was the one who said he wouldn’t create an identity and he hasn’t done,where is it ? He also said he wanted to create a “gold standard” club, well to date he hasn’t even reached the medal podium for a bronze ! He said “he knew the value of players” which was no doubt music to Blacks ears,but look what got recruited, probably the worst performing team for many years. He appointed a coach that turned out to be awful, then lazily swopped him for a stale one that even in the days of having a big budget advantage failed to even mount a title challenge in every one of his ten years bar one. Basically,apart from an improvement in social media output Pacha has failed miserably and IF he is still in the job next season then he’s a lucky chap ! Pasha won’t be there next season. Recruited badly, hired a Walter Mitty coach and now we are 7th in the league table after playing some of the worst hockey I have seen. Possibly got a few new twitter followers but this season on the ice has been like finding a skip fire on your driveway
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Post by iginla on Mar 13, 2023 23:28:37 GMT
But we are lead to believe that all the bigger teams are spending the same (Kelman’s £12.5k wage cap) and it’s Pacha himself who has said that,not once either but about four times. One can only assume they are too, if not then Pacha was damn stupid to say it. He was the one who said he wouldn’t create an identity and he hasn’t done,where is it ? He also said he wanted to create a “gold standard” club, well to date he hasn’t even reached the medal podium for a bronze ! He said “he knew the value of players” which was no doubt music to Blacks ears,but look what got recruited, probably the worst performing team for many years. He appointed a coach that turned out to be awful, then lazily swopped him for a stale one that even in the days of having a big budget advantage failed to even mount a title challenge in every one of his ten years bar one. Basically,apart from an improvement in social media output Pacha has failed miserably and IF he is still in the job next season then he’s a lucky chap ! Pasha won’t be there next season. Recruited badly, hired a Walter Mitty coach and now we are 7th in the league table after playing some of the worst hockey I have seen. Possibly got a few new twitter followers but this season on the ice has been like finding a skip fire on your driveway I reckon Pacha will still be there next year,because Black is too lazy to go looking for a replacement. Pacha is also probably pretty cheap,let’s face it I bet he wasn’t earning a great deal at Hull,Manchester or Dundee.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 13, 2023 23:36:01 GMT
Pasha won’t be there next season. Recruited badly, hired a Walter Mitty coach and now we are 7th in the league table after playing some of the worst hockey I have seen. Possibly got a few new twitter followers but this season on the ice has been like finding a skip fire on your driveway I reckon Pacha will still be there next year,because Black is too lazy to go looking for a replacement. Pacha is also probably pretty cheap,let’s face it I bet he wasn’t earning a great deal at Hull,Manchester or Dundee. About the same as the players he knows so much about
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