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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2021 12:47:50 GMT
Well this theory hasn't happened yet and will never happen . The gulf will always be too big between the best and worst teams .. You elude to one owner spending more and hopefully others following suit.. this happened in the isl .. it led to owners spending beyond their means. The only consolation was the hockey was actually good back then ! Different times now. We've often complained then Panthers don't invest what they can in the playing side. Time to see if they are prepared to meet the challenge as realistically as possible. Every year this question is asked.. and you'll get the same answer like the previous years and years
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Post by Jord v4 on May 21, 2021 12:51:17 GMT
Different times now. We've often complained then Panthers don't invest what they can in the playing side. Time to see if they are prepared to meet the challenge as realistically as possible. Every year this question is asked.. and you'll get the same answer like the previous years and years True but these things take time. You don't change years of the same status quo overnight. Perhaps two or three more years of inevitable domination will make them question where they are heading. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 21, 2021 12:52:22 GMT
Without an agreed wage max wage budget you will always get the also rans who can't 'compete'. Happens is all sports of this ilk. Doesn't stop certain teams in this league if there is a agreed max wage budget ! True... But that was an agreement in principle. I was citing the US example of wage budgets that are visible to all.
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Post by kievthegreat on May 21, 2021 13:18:59 GMT
Things is, what about teams that can't? It all well and good saying Panthers can/should put more in, but the Dundees and Manchesters can't just ratchet up budgets in the same way. We've seen in the Capitals when a team plays in this league with too low a budget. It's a joke, and not a funny one. You'd really hope that no team was looking to stretch playing budgets and blow teams out of the water coming off this really difficult couple of years. Without an agreed wage max wage budget you will always get the also rans who can't 'compete'. Happens is all sports of this ilk. TBF it depends on what you mean by compete, I don't expect them to win leagues. My interpretation is that they can win games and be a challenge. As it stands, the smaller teams can, they can win games and push top teams on their night. Big teams aren't guaranteed 2 points every time, they can reach the POFW. IF you increase the differential between them and the top, we end up playing the new Capitals. They haemorrhage fans, they drop out, we end up with a smaller league. The bar at the top going higher is bad for the league IMO, doubly so in the current environment.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 21, 2021 13:28:59 GMT
Without an agreed wage max wage budget you will always get the also rans who can't 'compete'. Happens is all sports of this ilk. TBF it depends on what you mean by compete, I don't expect them to win leagues. My interpretation is that they can win games and be a challenge. As it stands, the smaller teams can, they can win games and push top teams on their night. Big teams aren't guaranteed 2 points every time, they can reach the POFW. IF you increase the differential between them and the top, we end up playing the new Capitals. They haemorrhage fans, they drop out, we end up with a smaller league. The bar at the top going higher is bad for the league IMO, doubly so in the current environment. Definitely. Which is way Cardiff must be careful how far they push the envelope. With their excellent owners though I have no doubts they will do this as correctly as possible. They want to win no doubt but they know the league is only as strong as its weakest team. A change in the owners mentality is the only way development can happen. Fans, those that want change, have very little power. The challenge to the thinking has to come from a higher level as it potentially is doing now.
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Post by texpef on May 21, 2021 14:36:30 GMT
Doesn't stop certain teams in this league if there is a agreed max wage budget ! True... But that was an agreement in principle. I was citing the US example of wage budgets that are visible to all. Sorry Jord i generally like what you say but in those days this was not an agreement in principle this was stated in the rules and teams were docked points when found to break this, although clearly not enough points to change whatever outcome the overspending allowed the teams to achieve at the time...
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Post by kievthegreat on May 21, 2021 15:08:18 GMT
Without an agreed wage max wage budget you will always get the also rans who can't 'compete'. Happens is all sports of this ilk. Doesn't stop certain teams in this league if there is a agreed max wage budget ! I mean if there's a rule there will be people who try to break it undetected or find loopholes. Current example in the NHL is the Tampa Bay Lightning. Despite a cap of $80m for the season, they current squad is being paid closer to $100m by keeping players on the long term injured reserve all regular season. He was injured and had multiple surgeries which put him out long term, but they remained injured only until post season where the cap is no longer applied and then they came straight into game 1 and got 2 goals and an assist. Going back further, it was front loading contracts, signing people until they were 40+, etc...
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Post by Jord v4 on May 21, 2021 15:26:44 GMT
True... But that was an agreement in principle. I was citing the US example of wage budgets that are visible to all. Sorry Jord i generally like what you say but in those days this was not an agreement in principle this was stated in the rules and teams were docked points when found to break this, although clearly not enough points to change whatever outcome the overspending allowed the teams to achieve at the time... First of all, thank you kind Sir. You are the founder member of the Jord v4 poster fan club. Revel in the loneliness. I have to confess here I didn't pick up on Pidge referring to the certain event from the past, I thought we were talking about the unwritten rule of recent times. My bad.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2021 18:02:15 GMT
Doesn't stop certain teams in this league if there is a agreed max wage budget ! I mean if there's a rule there will be people who try to break it undetected or find loopholes. Current example in the NHL is the Tampa Bay Lightning. Despite a cap of $80m for the season, they current squad is being paid closer to $100m by keeping players on the long term injured reserve all regular season. He was injured and had multiple surgeries which put him out long term, but they remained injured only until post season where the cap is no longer applied and then they came straight into game 1 and got 2 goals and an assist. Going back further, it was front loading contracts, signing people until they were 40+, etc... Or like Derbys owner who has been finding loopholes around FFP for years .. sooner or later they get found out and in the current EIHL climate it wouldn't be hard to dodge this .. didn't Cardiff once have sponsors paying players wages ??
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