Christophe Boivin signed for Nottingham

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www.panthers.co.uk/home/210325-boivin

A warm welcome to Boivin. A very interesting signing. Impressive numbers throughout his spell in U-Sports but his points in the QMJHL were better than some players who have gone onto play in better leagues than ours. He’s quite small but I don’t think that’s an issue in our league anymore. Very excited to see how he does.

[bobness]

Indeed. Impressive numbers.

[iginla]

Did Panthers play against this guys university team over in France ?
University Trois Rivieres seems familiar for some reason.

[ashfieldpanther]

Mar 25, 2021 22:17:41 GMT iginla said:

Did Panthers play against this guys university team over in France ?
University Trois Rivieres seems familiar for some reason.

I think we played UTRQ at the start of 2014-15 season, whereas he joined for 2017-18

[iginla]

Mar 25, 2021 22:44:58 GMT ashfieldpanther said:

Mar 25, 2021 22:17:41 GMT iginla said:

Did Panthers play against this guys university team over in France ?
University Trois Rivieres seems familiar for some reason.

I think we played UTRQ at the start of 2014-15 season, whereas he joined for 2017-18

Mmmm thought so.
Seem to remember Panthers lost to them too ?

[Yotes]

We also played them in 16/17, again in the Napoleon Cup, and again we lost (7-3).

In 14/15 we lost 5-6 on shots.

(spik 's yearly stats threads on here for the info.)

[iginla]

Mar 25, 2021 23:37:42 GMT Yotes said:

We also played them in 16/17, again in the Napoleon Cup, and again we lost (7-3).

In 14/15 we lost 5-6 on shots.

(spik 's yearly stats threads on here for the info.)

Good lord, how did they lose to a university side twice ! 🙄

[Yotes]

Mar 26, 2021 0:37:47 GMT iginla said:

Mar 25, 2021 23:37:42 GMT Yotes said:

We also played them in 16/17, again in the Napoleon Cup, and again we lost (7-3).

In 14/15 we lost 5-6 on shots.

(spik 's yearly stats threads on here for the info.)

Good lord, how did they lose to a university side twice ! 🙄

Dan Green featured in both games:

Napoleon Cup 14/15
(Some mentions of Mark "The Phantom" Lee, before he never appeared. Good times.)

Napoleon Cup 16/17

[bobness]

Mar 26, 2021 0:37:47 GMT iginla said:

Mar 25, 2021 23:37:42 GMT Yotes said:

We also played them in 16/17, again in the Napoleon Cup, and again we lost (7-3).

In 14/15 we lost 5-6 on shots.

(spik 's yearly stats threads on here for the info.)

Good lord, how did they lose to a university side twice ! 🙄

There's also the possibility, just the faint possibility, that some college teams feature some pretty decent players, and your assumption that they should be cannon fodder is doing them a great dis-service?
Just because they're not pro doesn't mean they're rubbish.

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Definitely.. the top sides in the OHL and the Quebec major junior League would wipe the floor with any EIHL side ! It wouldn't be much fun to watch if you were a fan of the EIHL side

[iginla]

Mar 26, 2021 10:44:37 GMT bobness said:

Mar 26, 2021 0:37:47 GMT iginla said:

Good lord, how did they lose to a university side twice ! 🙄

There's also the possibility, just the faint possibility, that some college teams feature some pretty decent players, and your assumption that they should be cannon fodder is doing them a great dis-service?
Just because they're not pro doesn't mean they're rubbish.

Mmmm indeed it shows that what people think is elite level sport in the EIHL is really pretty poor.

[bobness]

Mar 26, 2021 12:55:55 GMT iginla said:

Mar 26, 2021 10:44:37 GMT bobness said:

There's also the possibility, just the faint possibility, that some college teams feature some pretty decent players, and your assumption that they should be cannon fodder is doing them a great dis-service?
Just because they're not pro doesn't mean they're rubbish.

Mmmm indeed it shows that what people think is elite level sport in the EIHL is really pretty poor.

Mmm, or that some people vastly underestimate the quality of hockey in the NA college system.

[Pies]

I was at the 16-17 tournament in Amiens...the uni team won the whole tournament beating Amiens and a DEL2 team who’s name escapes me. They were no mugs.

[iginla]

Mar 28, 2021 7:06:17 GMT Pies said:

I was at the 16-17 tournament in Amiens...the uni team won the whole tournament beating Amiens and a DEL2 team who’s name escapes me. They were no mugs.

Oh I know they’re not mugs, but a supposedly good pro hockey team really shouldn’t be losing to them.
It’s like Oxford or Cambridge beating Notts at cricket, rarely if ever would it happen, never mind twice in a row.

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Difference is how many players from Oxford uni cricket go on to play for their countries and top countries... How many top players get drafted from unis.. it's incomparable

[Jord v4]

Mar 28, 2021 8:55:22 GMT iginla said:

Mar 28, 2021 7:06:17 GMT Pies said:

I was at the 16-17 tournament in Amiens...the uni team won the whole tournament beating Amiens and a DEL2 team who’s name escapes me. They were no mugs.

It’s like Oxford or Cambridge beating Notts at cricket, rarely if ever would it happen, never mind twice in a row.

I have no idea what this even means. Are you seriously comparing the Panthers players level akin to a County cricket team? That's insane. 

[iginla]

Mar 28, 2021 10:54:18 GMT @pidge said:

Difference is how many players from Oxford uni cricket go on to play for their countries and top countries... How many top players get drafted from unis.. it's incomparable

You might get the odd one at a time in a Uni team that goes on to the NHL but the vast majority will end up as average players in lower leagues.
Always amuses me that Canadians and Yanks are viewed as great at 20/21/22/23 years old when the argument suits but in Britain at that age they’re treated as just young inexperienced kids and excuses are made for them.
There are also a lot more universities play hockey to a good standard over the pond than there are here that play good cricket so obviously there will be more players who make it big over there.
There are only a handful of Uni’s here.

[DMS]

Mar 28, 2021 11:20:39 GMT iginla said:

Mar 28, 2021 10:54:18 GMT @pidge said:

Difference is how many players from Oxford uni cricket go on to play for their countries and top countries... How many top players get drafted from unis.. it's incomparable

You might get the odd one at a time in a Uni team that goes on to the NHL but the vast majority will end up as average players in lower leagues.
Always amuses me that Canadians and Yanks are viewed as great at 20/21/22/23 years old when the argument suits but in Britain at that age they’re treated as just young inexperienced kids and excuses are made for them.
There are also a lot more universities play hockey to a good standard over the pond than there are here that play good cricket so obviously there will be more players who make it big over there.
There are only a handful of Uni’s here.

Whilst you’re right a high number play in lower leagues to say “you might get the odd one at a time in a uni team that goes on to the NHL” is off the mark. In 18/19 325 players from college skated in the NHL, in the post season last year out of the 24 teams that were selected for the extended rounds there were approx 200 players that played in college (going by a quick google search) so it’s definitely more than an odd one and college in North America is a much more realistic pathway to professional sport than other countries.

[iginla]

Mar 28, 2021 11:42:17 GMT DMS said:

Mar 28, 2021 11:20:39 GMT iginla said:

You might get the odd one at a time in a Uni team that goes on to the NHL but the vast majority will end up as average players in lower leagues.
Always amuses me that Canadians and Yanks are viewed as great at 20/21/22/23 years old when the argument suits but in Britain at that age they’re treated as just young inexperienced kids and excuses are made for them.
There are also a lot more universities play hockey to a good standard over the pond than there are here that play good cricket so obviously there will be more players who make it big over there.
There are only a handful of Uni’s here.

Whilst you’re right a high number play in lower leagues to say “you might get the odd one at a time in a uni team that goes on to the NHL” is off the mark. In 18/19 325 players from college skater in the NHL, in the post season last year out of the 24 teams that were selected for the extended rounds there were approx 200 players that played in college (going by a quick google search) so it’s definitely more than an odd one and college in North America is a much more realistic pathway to professional sport than other countries.

I wonder how many payers from that Trois Rivieres team that beat Panthers twice have gone on to the NHL ?
Of course college or uni players will get drafted in NA , that’s how their system works but they don’t all make great players.
I bet there were a fair few of the defeated Panthers team that went to uni and college but they didn’t make it

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Mar 28, 2021 12:34:49 GMT iginla said:

Mar 28, 2021 11:42:17 GMT DMS said:

Whilst you’re right a high number play in lower leagues to say “you might get the odd one at a time in a uni team that goes on to the NHL” is off the mark. In 18/19 325 players from college skater in the NHL, in the post season last year out of the 24 teams that were selected for the extended rounds there were approx 200 players that played in college (going by a quick google search) so it’s definitely more than an odd one and college in North America is a much more realistic pathway to professional sport than other countries.

I wonder how many payers from that Trois Rivieres team that beat Panthers twice have gone on to the NHL ?
Of course college or uni players will get drafted in NA , that’s how their system works but they don’t all make great players.
I bet there were a fair few of the defeated Panthers team that went to uni and college but they didn’t make it

That's because any player who has played for panthers who started out at college ultimately were never good enough.. hence winding up in the British league to begin with !

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I noticed one of those players in that uni team in 2016/17 is Jeremy Beaudry, who has signed for Steelers in this series

[DMS]

Mar 28, 2021 12:34:49 GMT iginla said:

Mar 28, 2021 11:42:17 GMT DMS said:

Whilst you’re right a high number play in lower leagues to say “you might get the odd one at a time in a uni team that goes on to the NHL” is off the mark. In 18/19 325 players from college skater in the NHL, in the post season last year out of the 24 teams that were selected for the extended rounds there were approx 200 players that played in college (going by a quick google search) so it’s definitely more than an odd one and college in North America is a much more realistic pathway to professional sport than other countries.

I wonder how many payers from that Trois Rivieres team that beat Panthers twice have gone on to the NHL ?
Of course college or uni players will get drafted in NA , that’s how their system works but they don’t all make great players.
I bet there were a fair few of the defeated Panthers team that went to uni and college but they didn’t make it

Having had a quick look, none of that team made the NHL, Highest level was AHL & The Swiss league. However that wasn’t the point I was addressing.

You stated “the odd one at a time make the NHL” when in recent time there are hundreds in the league so it’s a bit off the mark to be dismissive of the college program as a whole.

[wgray]

In Boivin’s last season of Major Junior hockey, before he went to play in Canada’s U-Sports, he was the top scorer of his team. He outscored players who have gone on to play in the best leagues in the world. From that team, Noah Dobson is in his 2nd season with San Jose, Daniil Miromanov has just had a full season in the KHL, Rodrigo Abols has had 3 seasons with Orebro in the SHL, Morand and Viel are regulars in the AHL.

There could be numerous reasons why Boivin didn’t go onto play in leagues similar to this and instead chose to play Uni hockey, but he must have some talent considering he was the top scorer on that Acadie-Bathurst team.

I can’t wait to see how he does.

[iginla]

Mar 28, 2021 12:50:50 GMT @pidge said:

I noticed one of those players in that uni team in 2016/17 is Jeremy Beaudry, who has signed for Steelers in this series

Indeed
So there’s one that never made it.

[iginla]

Mar 28, 2021 13:03:09 GMT DMS said:

Mar 28, 2021 12:34:49 GMT iginla said:

I wonder how many payers from that Trois Rivieres team that beat Panthers twice have gone on to the NHL ?
Of course college or uni players will get drafted in NA , that’s how their system works but they don’t all make great players.
I bet there were a fair few of the defeated Panthers team that went to uni and college but they didn’t make it

Having had a quick look, none of that team made the NHL, Highest level was AHL & The Swiss league. However that wasn’t the point I was addressing.

You stated “the odd one at a time make the NHL” when in recent time there are hundreds in the league so it’s a bit off the mark to be dismissive of the college program as a whole.

If you read my post I actually said the odd one in A team at a time not in the whole college system.
As in you weren’t playing against a whole team of future stars.