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Post by Discoray on Oct 24, 2019 12:04:23 GMT
The import limit is about 50% too high. What on earth do these has beens/never will bes/journeymen add to our game? They enable the EIHL to exist, apart from that they don't offer much.
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Post by iginla on Oct 24, 2019 12:43:57 GMT
The import limit is about 50% too high. What on earth do these has beens/never will bes/journeymen add to our game? Mmmm ok,drop the import limit to 7.....Then drop the ticket prices by 50% Somehow i don’t think the EIHL teams would be reducing their ticket prices accordingly though !
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 24, 2019 13:04:34 GMT
The import limit is about 50% too high. What on earth do these has beens/never will bes/journeymen add to our game? They enable the EIHL to exist, apart from that they don't offer much. I don't think by design, but I think they also help the top British players by allowing them to play in a more competitive league than if they dropped down towards NIHL import levels.
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Post by allingtonskates on Oct 24, 2019 18:27:09 GMT
The import limit is about 50% too high. What on earth do these has beens/never will bes/journeymen add to our game? its almost like you want to watch the NIHL. I couldnt care less about the Brits and their development. I want to watch a high standard of hockey.
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Post by DMS on Oct 24, 2019 18:37:05 GMT
The import limit is about 50% too high. What on earth do these has beens/never will bes/journeymen add to our game? its almost like you want to watch the NIHL. I couldnt care less about the Brits and their development. I want to watch a high standard of hockey. If you are to essentially scrap an import limit then the league would need to introduce a transparent wage cap/salary structure to avoid teams “buying the league”. Brit players who were good enough could still play but would probably be paid on a realistic scale. Whilst there is an import limit average brits can command a higher price. I do want GB to do well however I also want to watch as am high as possible standard. I struggle to find a happy medium as a fan so no wonder the “authorities” can’t find that balance either.
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Post by wgray on Oct 24, 2019 18:46:16 GMT
The import limit is about 50% too high. What on earth do these has beens/never will bes/journeymen add to our game? its almost like you want to watch the NIHL. I couldnt care less about the Brits and their development. I want to watch a high standard of hockey. I understand what you’re saying but there has to be a balance, how many teams could afford a full 20 man squad of quality imports? Four teams maybe, that wouldn’t be a very exciting league.
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Post by wgray on Oct 24, 2019 19:02:37 GMT
The decision the league has made is positive IMO. In theory two U25 Brits will have the opportunity to get the ice time of an import and an O25 Brit.
I don’t know if anyone knows the answer to this but will we be able to continue next season with the same British numbers we have now? Currently, we’re icing 2 O25’s and 5 U25’s, will that be a problem next season, or is there only a limit (which will be 4) on the number of O25’s you can ice?
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Post by Yotes on Oct 24, 2019 19:14:08 GMT
The decision the league has made is positive IMO. In theory two U25 Brits will have the opportunity to get the ice time of an import and an O25 Brit. I don’t know if anyone knows the answer to this but will we be able to continue next season with the same British numbers we have now? Currently, we’re icing 2 O25’s and 5 U25’s, will that be a problem next season, or is there only a limit (which will be 4) on the number of O25’s you can ice? An U25 could go in in place of an O25.
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Post by bobness on Oct 24, 2019 19:48:03 GMT
its almost like you want to watch the NIHL. I couldnt care less about the Brits and their development. I want to watch a high standard of hockey. I understand what you’re saying but there has to be a balance, how many teams could afford a full 20 man squad of quality imports? Four teams maybe, that wouldn’t be a very exciting league. That was essentially the ISL in the end. Let’s not go back there, eh?
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Post by iginla on Oct 24, 2019 20:09:34 GMT
Seems to me that the EIHL is basically being run by the Brits. That’s where they should be looking to improve,it seems daft to keep upping or downing the import level every couple of years.
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Post by wgray on Oct 24, 2019 20:11:25 GMT
The decision the league has made is positive IMO. In theory two U25 Brits will have the opportunity to get the ice time of an import and an O25 Brit. I don’t know if anyone knows the answer to this but will we be able to continue next season with the same British numbers we have now? Currently, we’re icing 2 O25’s and 5 U25’s, will that be a problem next season, or is there only a limit (which will be 4) on the number of O25’s you can ice? An U25 could go in in place of an O25. That makes sense. Maybe we will see some British departures from Cardiff next season then. They’ve currently got 5 O25’s, Bowns, Murdy, Richardson, Batch and Myers and 3 U25’s in Lawday, Duggan and Rutkis. Unless they keep them all and rotate the O25’s. One things for sure though, it’s a stumbling block if they were planning on grabbing Farmer next season.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 24, 2019 20:24:58 GMT
You could presumably ice fewer imports and play more O25 Brits, but yes they may ship someone out. Guys like Myers are closer to the end than they are the beginning. Might help for those teams who can't keep hold of theirs, like...
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 24, 2019 20:37:58 GMT
Cut imports and play a load of Brits = Empty arenas
Fact
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Post by texpef on Oct 24, 2019 23:14:48 GMT
I understand what you’re saying but there has to be a balance, how many teams could afford a full 20 man squad of quality imports? Four teams maybe, that wouldn’t be a very exciting league. That was essentially the ISL in the end. Let’s not go back there, eh? Hate to admit it but it was the best hockey we have seen in this country only problem is the likes of Manchester, London and yes Sheffield started an arms race no one else stood a chance of competing with, having said that Panthers even with an import laden league made money so it just that it can be done if the clubs are sensible (i know fat chance) and it shows how much more the club are making now where teams aren't crammed with imports...
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Post by allingtonskates on Oct 25, 2019 23:01:14 GMT
its almost like you want to watch the NIHL. I couldnt care less about the Brits and their development. I want to watch a high standard of hockey. I understand what you’re saying but there has to be a balance, how many teams could afford a full 20 man squad of quality imports? Four teams maybe, that wouldn’t be a very exciting league. the person said the import limit should be 7. Let’s not get silly now.
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Post by nightwish on Oct 26, 2019 5:35:33 GMT
Cut imports and play a load of Brits = Empty arenas Fact As Panthers fans that maybe good - we won’t have to tolerate as many 2nd rate Imports here on sightseeing holidays each year.
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Post by wgray on Oct 26, 2019 5:48:17 GMT
I understand what you’re saying but there has to be a balance, how many teams could afford a full 20 man squad of quality imports? Four teams maybe, that wouldn’t be a very exciting league. the person said the import limit should be 7. Let’s not get silly now. Agreed, personally I think 11 imports would be a good number.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Oct 26, 2019 7:05:14 GMT
I understand what you’re saying but there has to be a balance, how many teams could afford a full 20 man squad of quality imports? Four teams maybe, that wouldn’t be a very exciting league. That was essentially the ISL in the end. Let’s not go back there, eh? I see what you’re saying but it’s not quite the full picture. The problem with the ISL was money, not the nationality of the players. It’s just as easy to go broke when you overspend on eighteen Brits as it is on eighteen Canadians. The import limit is simply a red herring if it’s saving money that we’re aiming for.
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Post by texpef on Oct 26, 2019 7:10:29 GMT
That was essentially the ISL in the end. Let’s not go back there, eh? I see what you’re saying but it’s not quite the full picture. The problem with the ISL was money, not the nationality of the players. It’s just as easy to go broke when you overspend on eighteen Brits as it is on eighteen Canadians. The import limit is simply a red herring if it’s saving money that we’re aiming for. Rumour doing the rounds at the time it was cheaper for panthers to bring in an import than pay Ashley Tait the wage he wanted and hence why he went to the brit heavy BIHL at the time and why when the EIHL was formed from the ashes of that league and the ISL that the likes of Coventry and Newcastle at the time had a massive advantage as the ISL teams had to scrounge around for brits to play whereas those teams already had established brits giving them a massive leg up till others caught up... no one really thought that Coventry were world beaters at the time did they and why a small rink like theirs managed championships etc...
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Post by bobness on Oct 26, 2019 9:23:26 GMT
That was essentially the ISL in the end. Let’s not go back there, eh? I see what you’re saying but it’s not quite the full picture. The problem with the ISL was money, not the nationality of the players. It’s just as easy to go broke when you overspend on eighteen Brits as it is on eighteen Canadians. The import limit is simply a red herring if it’s saving money that we’re aiming for. Or was the problem with the EIHL that it was an unsustainable unfettered arms race, and the Brits were a small pool, so as has been said, it was easier to bring in yet another import? In any case, I don't really want to see a five or six team league again.
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Post by texpef on Oct 26, 2019 10:53:31 GMT
I see what you’re saying but it’s not quite the full picture. The problem with the ISL was money, not the nationality of the players. It’s just as easy to go broke when you overspend on eighteen Brits as it is on eighteen Canadians. The import limit is simply a red herring if it’s saving money that we’re aiming for. Or was the problem with the EIHL that it was an unsustainable unfettered arms race, and the Brits were a small pool, so as has been said, it was easier to bring in yet another import? In any case, I don't really want to see a five or six team league again. TBH imho the problem with the brits in the ISL era was they were pricing themselves out the market it was cheaper to bring in what was a Canadian import who was in skates when he was in nappies as to bring in a brit who most likely took up the sport later in life when football wasn't available to him, the pool of players was much larger and hence cheaper and also they were likely to be better players and if they weren't it was no big deal you could just go and sign another one... The ISL became as you put it "unfettered arms race" when the likes of Sheffield iced the 3 best brits at the time hand/longstaff/chinn and then 18 or so seasoned AHL players and Manchester with Nynex and London with London Arena wanted to compete, heard a rumour that Robins left panthers for London to double his wages... Most clubs attempted to spend within their means (certainly the panthers did) but in the end it did get boring with the same clubs getting cricket scores etc... There is no guarantee that will happen again its only clubs such as ours who are keeping a very tight reign on the purse strings that we are even talking about this
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Post by iginla on Oct 26, 2019 18:00:35 GMT
The ISL was the best British hockey we’ve seen without a doubt. Panthers afforded those pretty expensive rosters on crowds of 3000 to 4000 and didn’t go bust. So why can’t they have those same quality rosters now on crowds of almost 6000 ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 18:04:50 GMT
The ISL was the best British hockey we’ve seen without a doubt. Panthers afforded those pretty expensive rosters on crowds of 3000 to 4000 and didn’t go bust. So why can’t they have those same quality rosters now on crowds of almost 6000 ? The d pairing of Paek and Charron alone were frighteningly expensive I was only having the same chat with a mate in the pub last night how this was funded on much smaller attendances!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 18:09:06 GMT
And yes the ISL was fine best hockey seen in this country and I'd crave to see that standard again.. unfortunately that ain't happening.. it wasnt the players fault the teams were insolvent. They came to play as they had a big carrot dangled.
Those days Manchester at the Nynex around 1997 with crowds of 14,000! Loved it
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Post by iginla on Oct 26, 2019 18:22:20 GMT
The ISL was the best British hockey we’ve seen without a doubt. Panthers afforded those pretty expensive rosters on crowds of 3000 to 4000 and didn’t go bust. So why can’t they have those same quality rosters now on crowds of almost 6000 ? The d pairing of Paek and Charron alone were frighteningly expensive I was only having the same chat with a mate in the pub last night how this was funded on much smaller attendances! The simple answer Pidge is that Panthers could easily afford those ISL rosters now,but Black isn’t willing to cut into his profit margin to fund the extra cost.
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