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Post by Optic on Oct 19, 2019 7:34:46 GMT
Why not open a totally new block , suggest in the car park, and stick Paws and his stupid drum in it. A bit ratty this morning aren't we? You sound like you hate noise just as iginla hates panthers
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Post by spik on Oct 19, 2019 9:25:00 GMT
Does anyone on here have a drum?π Step forward Shaggy, GB drum master.
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 19, 2019 9:30:52 GMT
Wonβt happen. Apathy reigns supreme within the Nottingham Panthers fan base.
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Post by spik on Oct 19, 2019 9:42:45 GMT
I've got the original flag from the stadium. Trouble is I'm not there How large are your flags allowed. I,need a few seats for mine alone less you can pin to the walls? Has it got a pole? Apologies if this is a stupid question, the old stadium was before my time as a fan. No pole but stitching for some type of flying aloft I guess. However not pole type as it would be side on. Come to think of it not so sure was old Stadium less its this smaller one? Any ideas you old brigade? Would upload but files are too big and I'm not so hot with tech. Anyone can upload for me if I send by email to you?
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Post by grrm on Oct 19, 2019 9:53:39 GMT
Wonβt happen. Apathy reigns supreme within the Nottingham Panthers fan base. Hope youβre wrong, as iβd love Panthers games to be noisy and intimidating, however I fear you are right Rob, as far too many of our fans have had their voice boxes removed and would be better suited to the library for a night out.
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Post by spik on Oct 19, 2019 10:04:17 GMT
Wonβt happen. Apathy reigns supreme within the Nottingham Panthers fan base. Hope youβre wrong, as iβd love Panthers games to be noisy and intimidating, however I fear you are right Rob, as far too many of our fans have had their voice boxes removed and would be better suited to the library for a night out. However it's got to be understood that most aged persons were very vocal years ago but quieter now and when your their age might be the same. But as a whole the crowd are turning into a sit and watch clan. Suppose if you've paid your money you can do as you wish.
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Post by grrm on Oct 19, 2019 11:15:00 GMT
Hope youβre wrong, as iβd love Panthers games to be noisy and intimidating, however I fear you are right Rob, as far too many of our fans have had their voice boxes removed and would be better suited to the library for a night out. However it's got to be understood that most aged persons were very vocal years ago but quieter now and when your their age might be the same. But as a whole the crowd are turning into a sit and watch clan. Suppose if you've paid your money you can do as you wish. Iβm old enough to say I went to both Forest European cup wins - work it out lol. and I still want noise!!
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Post by Yotes on Oct 19, 2019 11:22:20 GMT
I think there'll be decent take up from the people who already try to sing etc, the block is tiny so it won't need that many to look full.
I'm not convinced though, that tucked away where it is, it'll have the effect you'd want. I don't see how it grows really. Something like Hamburg, where one end was like this with the rest left for old farts like me, is what you want. But that'd need a serious commitment to doing it and the moving of a number of fans from well entrenched season ticket seats.
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Post by moz on Oct 19, 2019 11:26:04 GMT
Quite simple really , if you want a great atmosphere get a team on the ice to produce the goods, what have the crowd had to cheer about the last few years? Banging a drum or waving a flag will not make a bottom six player into a goal machine. Panthers have signed 12 bottom six forwards again and just hope things turn out . Forest crowd is very loud because the team give them something to shout about.
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Post by stormleaf on Oct 19, 2019 14:24:58 GMT
Hope you donβt mind a Storm fan βhijackingβ your thread, but I may be able to offer a few bits of advice (up until this season, I was one of the βStorm Drummersβ and before that, I was one of βThe Choirboysβ that used to drum and sing at Phoenix games) β as much as Iβm a Storm fan, Iβm a Hockey fan first and foremost
First of all, Iβd recommend a couple of 12β Tom drums β Not too bulky, take up less space that a floor based drum and possibly easier to play. They also have a great bass sound (snare drums tend to be a little too high pitched so the noise doesnβt carry as well) and can be picked up fairly cheaply second hand (ebay would be a good place to look)
I used to wear mine with a combination of a couple of keyring loops around the tuning pegs, a couple of carabiners and a guitar strap, worn at about belt height
It may also be worth investing in some foam pipe insulation (you can pick it up for next to nothing from most DYY places). Because of the split, cut to the right length, you can add it to the bottom rim to save any "head injuries" to fans stood in front!
You donβt want too many as not only is getting them in time a problem, you donβt want to overpower people singing. A lot of people are under the impression that βdrums = atmosphereβ, whereas I see them as a tool to get things started β the idea is to coordinate and orchestrate things rather than be the main noise. A number of people singing sounds infinitely better that a couple of drums
By having a dedicated block, hopefully those that have felt self-conscious singing on their own will now have the confidence to sing when joined by other like-minded fans
Iβll no doubt post other suggestions and tips as I think of them (if anyone is interested!π ) and in the meantime, hope it works out for you
*Edited to add - no idea why I have someone else's details on my post! Sorry!
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Post by spik on Oct 19, 2019 14:37:34 GMT
Hard hats with stormleaf behind you ..eek
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 19, 2019 14:41:13 GMT
Hope you donβt mind a Storm fan βhijackingβ your thread, but I may be able to offer a few bits of advice (up until this season, I was one of the βStorm Drummersβ and before that, I was one of βThe Choirboysβ that used to drum and sing at Phoenix games) β as much as Iβm a Storm fan, Iβm a Hockey fan first and foremost First of all, Iβd recommend a couple of 12β Tom drums β Not too bulky, take up less space that a floor based drum and possibly easier to play. They also have a great bass sound (snare drums tend to be a little too high pitched so the noise doesnβt carry as well) and can be picked up fairly cheaply second hand (ebay would be a good place to look) I used to wear mine with a combination of a couple of keyring loops around the tuning pegs, a couple of carabiners and a guitar strap, worn at about belt height It may also be worth investing in some foam pipe insulation (you can pick it up for next to nothing from most DYY places). Because of the split, cut to the right length, you can add it to the bottom rim to save any "head injuries" to fans stood in front! You donβt want too many as not only is getting them in time a problem, you donβt want to overpower people singing. A lot of people are under the impression that βdrums = atmosphereβ, whereas I see them as a tool to get things started β the idea is to coordinate and orchestrate things rather than be the main noise. A number of people singing sounds infinitely better that a couple of drums By having a dedicated block, hopefully those that have felt self-conscious singing on their own will now have the confidence to sing when joined by other like-minded fans Iβll no doubt post other suggestions and tips as I think of them (if anyone is interested!π ) and in the meantime, hope it works out for you *Edited to add - no idea why I have someone else's details on my post! Sorry! Hi Stormleaf and welcome to the cage. All sounds very good suggestions. I'm no sure what the idea currently is with drums. So far the club have announced this scheme, but there's not any particular group of fans organising, at least not publicly. I personally think that less might be more with drums. I think one competent drummer is better than having lots of people bring one. As such I would hope someone becomes THE drummer, I remember going to the CHL away games and whoever played the drum against Mountfield was good as he didn't start the songs, but as soon as one of the big gobs did he was in there like a flash to keep the rhythm. Can definitely sympathise with the self-conscious bit though. I've got absolutely brilliant seats in the arena, but my god I can't deal with singing all by myself. Fact is I used to sit near Neil Black and for everything we'll (justifiably in my opinion) say about him, he sings far more than the people near me now!
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Post by stormleaf on Oct 20, 2019 12:06:49 GMT
Hope you donβt mind a Storm fan βhijackingβ your thread, but I may be able to offer a few bits of advice (up until this season, I was one of the βStorm Drummersβ and before that, I was one of βThe Choirboysβ that used to drum and sing at Phoenix games) β as much as Iβm a Storm fan, Iβm a Hockey fan first and foremost First of all, Iβd recommend a couple of 12β Tom drums β Not too bulky, take up less space that a floor based drum and possibly easier to play. They also have a great bass sound (snare drums tend to be a little too high pitched so the noise doesnβt carry as well) and can be picked up fairly cheaply second hand (ebay would be a good place to look) I used to wear mine with a combination of a couple of keyring loops around the tuning pegs, a couple of carabiners and a guitar strap, worn at about belt height It may also be worth investing in some foam pipe insulation (you can pick it up for next to nothing from most DYY places). Because of the split, cut to the right length, you can add it to the bottom rim to save any "head injuries" to fans stood in front! You donβt want too many as not only is getting them in time a problem, you donβt want to overpower people singing. A lot of people are under the impression that βdrums = atmosphereβ, whereas I see them as a tool to get things started β the idea is to coordinate and orchestrate things rather than be the main noise. A number of people singing sounds infinitely better that a couple of drums By having a dedicated block, hopefully those that have felt self-conscious singing on their own will now have the confidence to sing when joined by other like-minded fans Iβll no doubt post other suggestions and tips as I think of them (if anyone is interested!π ) and in the meantime, hope it works out for you *Edited to add - no idea why I have someone else's details on my post! Sorry! Hi Stormleaf and welcome to the cage. All sounds very good suggestions. I'm no sure what the idea currently is with drums. So far the club have announced this scheme, but there's not any particular group of fans organising, at least not publicly. I personally think that less might be more with drums. I think one competent drummer is better than having lots of people bring one. As such I would hope someone becomes THE drummer, I remember going to the CHL away games and whoever played the drum against Mountfield was good as he didn't start the songs, but as soon as one of the big gobs did he was in there like a flash to keep the rhythm. Can definitely sympathise with the self-conscious bit though. I've got absolutely brilliant seats in the arena, but my god I can't deal with singing all by myself. Fact is I used to sit near Neil Black and for everything we'll (justifiably in my opinion) say about him, he sings far more than the people near me now!
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Post by stormleaf on Oct 20, 2019 12:42:54 GMT
I guess it was easier for us as everything was "new" as opposed to trying to incorporate it into something that has been that way for a number of years (it all started from someone asking on an old forum if anyone would be playing drums at games and as I had previous experience, put my name forward but that's another story and the rest is history)
As you say, "less is more" with regards the number of drums. For the longest time there was just a couple of us and we worked really well as a team - I've found that there are three ways of drumming: completely random (which sounds bloody awful IMHO), the "European" way, where it's constant beats, chants and songs throughout the entire game, or "drumming to the game" which is what we did and is unfortunately difficult to explain. Games have a certain "rhythm" and it's a case of looking for certain key moments and then kick up a chant. As I'd previous had experience so knew what to look out for, I guess I became "unofficial head drummer" who would start it off and then my colleague would join in (plus having two of us, it helped hide each others mistakes!)
We'd also have set beats and songs for the power play and penalty kill (for which we used "The Great Escape" for a couple of seasons - borrowed/stolen from you lot if memory serves π) It's all about finding things that work by throwing everything against the wall and seeing what sticks (sometimes it's the worst ideas that seem to catch on)
If it's anything like Storm, I'm sure that there's a large number of people that feel self-conscious (used to grind my gears when people would post "...I want/like to sing but nobody around me does..." and I'm thinking "well you can hear the drums and the singing, maybe a move towards them?", so by the club making it "official", fans will hopefully feel more inclined to make the move, making it louder and everyone wins. It also works well for youngsters - seen many build up the confidence to start a chant and then see it catch on around the rink (which is still a great feeling as an adult (who is old enough to know better π), so must be something else for them
The most important thing of all is have fun. Even the dullest of games (and believe me, I've seen/suffered a few! π) can be brightened up by a daft song created on the fly, and if people see you enjoying yourselves, they'll be more inclined to either join you or join in (and let's face it, that's what we go to games for - to enjoy ourselves, although admittedly sometimes it's easier than others! π)
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Post by pantherlee on Oct 20, 2019 13:02:30 GMT
I guess it was easier for us as everything was "new" as opposed to trying to incorporate it into something that has been that way for a number of years (it all started from someone asking on an old forum if anyone would be playing drums at games and as I had previous experience, put my name forward but that's another story and the rest is history) As you say, "less is more" with regards the number of drums. For the longest time there was just a couple of us and we worked really well as a team - I've found that there are three ways of drumming: completely random (which sounds bloody awful IMHO), the "European" way, where it's constant beats, chants and songs throughout the entire game, or "drumming to the game" which is what we did and is unfortunately difficult to explain. Games have a certain "rhythm" and it's a case of looking for certain key moments and then kick up a chant. As I'd previous had experience so knew what to look out for, I guess I became "unofficial head drummer" who would start it off and then my colleague would join in (plus having two of us, it helped hide each others mistakes!) We'd also have set beats and songs for the power play and penalty kill (for which we used "The Great Escape" for a couple of seasons - borrowed/stolen from you lot if memory serves π) It's all about finding things that work by throwing everything against the wall and seeing what sticks (sometimes it's the worst ideas that seem to catch on) If it's anything like Storm, I'm sure that there's a large number of people that feel self-conscious (used to grind my gears when people would post "...I want/like to sing but nobody around me does..." and I'm thinking "well you can hear the drums and the singing, maybe a move towards them?", so by the club making it "official", fans will hopefully feel more inclined to make the move, making it louder and everyone wins. It also works well for youngsters - seen many build up the confidence to start a chant and then see it catch on around the rink (which is still a great feeling as an adult (who is old enough to know better π), so must be something else for them The most important thing of all is have fun. Even the dullest of games (and believe me, I've seen/suffered a few! π) can be brightened up by a daft song created on the fly, and if people see you enjoying yourselves, they'll be more inclined to either join you or join in (and let's face it, that's what we go to games for - to enjoy ourselves, although admittedly sometimes it's easier than others! π) You should come to panthers game and show us how its done
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Post by wgray on Oct 20, 2019 13:30:40 GMT
I guess it was easier for us as everything was "new" as opposed to trying to incorporate it into something that has been that way for a number of years (it all started from someone asking on an old forum if anyone would be playing drums at games and as I had previous experience, put my name forward but that's another story and the rest is history) As you say, "less is more" with regards the number of drums. For the longest time there was just a couple of us and we worked really well as a team - I've found that there are three ways of drumming: completely random (which sounds bloody awful IMHO), the "European" way, where it's constant beats, chants and songs throughout the entire game, or "drumming to the game" which is what we did and is unfortunately difficult to explain. Games have a certain "rhythm" and it's a case of looking for certain key moments and then kick up a chant. As I'd previous had experience so knew what to look out for, I guess I became "unofficial head drummer" who would start it off and then my colleague would join in (plus having two of us, it helped hide each others mistakes!) We'd also have set beats and songs for the power play and penalty kill (for which we used "The Great Escape" for a couple of seasons - borrowed/stolen from you lot if memory serves π) It's all about finding things that work by throwing everything against the wall and seeing what sticks (sometimes it's the worst ideas that seem to catch on) If it's anything like Storm, I'm sure that there's a large number of people that feel self-conscious (used to grind my gears when people would post "...I want/like to sing but nobody around me does..." and I'm thinking "well you can hear the drums and the singing, maybe a move towards them?", so by the club making it "official", fans will hopefully feel more inclined to make the move, making it louder and everyone wins. It also works well for youngsters - seen many build up the confidence to start a chant and then see it catch on around the rink (which is still a great feeling as an adult (who is old enough to know better π), so must be something else for them The most important thing of all is have fun. Even the dullest of games (and believe me, I've seen/suffered a few! π) can be brightened up by a daft song created on the fly, and if people see you enjoying yourselves, they'll be more inclined to either join you or join in (and let's face it, that's what we go to games for - to enjoy ourselves, although admittedly sometimes it's easier than others! π) As you say, you need to have drummers with experience who also know when to get the beat going, to keep up with the rythm or tempo of the game. I imagine weβre a bit short of people with experience though, I know of some people who have taken drums to away games before but so far nobody has stepped forward. Even if we donβt get a full block to begin with I think this has got the potential to grow and, as you say, make the games more enjoyable. Iβve had our season tickets moved for the duration so weβll be checking our seats out today. Hopefully we can make a real atmosphere when your lot come to the arena!
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Post by stormleaf on Oct 20, 2019 14:28:43 GMT
I guess it was easier for us as everything was "new" as opposed to trying to incorporate it into something that has been that way for a number of years (it all started from someone asking on an old forum if anyone would be playing drums at games and as I had previous experience, put my name forward but that's another story and the rest is history) As you say, "less is more" with regards the number of drums. For the longest time there was just a couple of us and we worked really well as a team - I've found that there are three ways of drumming: completely random (which sounds bloody awful IMHO), the "European" way, where it's constant beats, chants and songs throughout the entire game, or "drumming to the game" which is what we did and is unfortunately difficult to explain. Games have a certain "rhythm" and it's a case of looking for certain key moments and then kick up a chant. As I'd previous had experience so knew what to look out for, I guess I became "unofficial head drummer" who would start it off and then my colleague would join in (plus having two of us, it helped hide each others mistakes!) We'd also have set beats and songs for the power play and penalty kill (for which we used "The Great Escape" for a couple of seasons - borrowed/stolen from you lot if memory serves π) It's all about finding things that work by throwing everything against the wall and seeing what sticks (sometimes it's the worst ideas that seem to catch on) If it's anything like Storm, I'm sure that there's a large number of people that feel self-conscious (used to grind my gears when people would post "...I want/like to sing but nobody around me does..." and I'm thinking "well you can hear the drums and the singing, maybe a move towards them?", so by the club making it "official", fans will hopefully feel more inclined to make the move, making it louder and everyone wins. It also works well for youngsters - seen many build up the confidence to start a chant and then see it catch on around the rink (which is still a great feeling as an adult (who is old enough to know better π), so must be something else for them The most important thing of all is have fun. Even the dullest of games (and believe me, I've seen/suffered a few! π) can be brightened up by a daft song created on the fly, and if people see you enjoying yourselves, they'll be more inclined to either join you or join in (and let's face it, that's what we go to games for - to enjoy ourselves, although admittedly sometimes it's easier than others! π) You should come to panthers game and show us how its done
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Post by stormleaf on Oct 20, 2019 14:28:53 GMT
Y'know, daft as it sounds, if it would help you guys out, I'd probably be up for that (just so long as you're not playing my lot at the time, obviously...)
It would be a bit strange, but could be a bit of a laugh (plus I went from shouting "Storm!" to "Phoenix!" to "Storm!" again over the years, so it can be done π)
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Post by stormleaf on Oct 20, 2019 14:29:42 GMT
I guess it was easier for us as everything was "new" as opposed to trying to incorporate it into something that has been that way for a number of years (it all started from someone asking on an old forum if anyone would be playing drums at games and as I had previous experience, put my name forward but that's another story and the rest is history) As you say, "less is more" with regards the number of drums. For the longest time there was just a couple of us and we worked really well as a team - I've found that there are three ways of drumming: completely random (which sounds bloody awful IMHO), the "European" way, where it's constant beats, chants and songs throughout the entire game, or "drumming to the game" which is what we did and is unfortunately difficult to explain. Games have a certain "rhythm" and it's a case of looking for certain key moments and then kick up a chant. As I'd previous had experience so knew what to look out for, I guess I became "unofficial head drummer" who would start it off and then my colleague would join in (plus having two of us, it helped hide each others mistakes!) We'd also have set beats and songs for the power play and penalty kill (for which we used "The Great Escape" for a couple of seasons - borrowed/stolen from you lot if memory serves π) It's all about finding things that work by throwing everything against the wall and seeing what sticks (sometimes it's the worst ideas that seem to catch on) If it's anything like Storm, I'm sure that there's a large number of people that feel self-conscious (used to grind my gears when people would post "...I want/like to sing but nobody around me does..." and I'm thinking "well you can hear the drums and the singing, maybe a move towards them?", so by the club making it "official", fans will hopefully feel more inclined to make the move, making it louder and everyone wins. It also works well for youngsters - seen many build up the confidence to start a chant and then see it catch on around the rink (which is still a great feeling as an adult (who is old enough to know better π), so must be something else for them The most important thing of all is have fun. Even the dullest of games (and believe me, I've seen/suffered a few! π) can be brightened up by a daft song created on the fly, and if people see you enjoying yourselves, they'll be more inclined to either join you or join in (and let's face it, that's what we go to games for - to enjoy ourselves, although admittedly sometimes it's easier than others! π) As you say, you need to have drummers with experience who also know when to get the beat going, to keep up with the rythm or tempo of the game. I imagine weβre a bit short of people with experience though, I know of some people who have taken drums to away games before but so far nobody has stepped forward. Even if we donβt get a full block to begin with I think this has got the potential to grow and, as you say, make the games more enjoyable. Iβve had our season tickets moved for the duration so weβll be checking our seats out today. Hopefully we can make a real atmosphere when your lot come to the arena!
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Post by stormleaf on Oct 20, 2019 14:31:07 GMT
It does take time (plus trial and error) - if memory serves, it took us three games just to pluck up the courage to actually start drumming!
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 20, 2019 18:52:50 GMT
One massive problem with picking Block 19 was shown today. Panthers fans were chanting (Panthers, clap x 3) and Paws thought he'd add a beat. Slight problem, he's 200ft away from everyone that's chanting and he's so far out of time he actually killed the chant.
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Post by wgray on Oct 20, 2019 19:08:45 GMT
One massive problem with picking Block 19 was shown today. Panthers fans were chanting (Panthers, clap x 3) and Paws thought he'd add a beat. Slight problem, he's 200ft away from everyone that's chanting and he's so far out of time he actually killed the chant. Itβs really strange how noise travels in there. Maybe this will be further highlighted when we get going.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 20, 2019 19:21:30 GMT
One massive problem with picking Block 19 was shown today. Panthers fans were chanting (Panthers, clap x 3) and Paws thought he'd add a beat. Slight problem, he's 200ft away from everyone that's chanting and he's so far out of time he actually killed the chant. Itβs really strange how noise travels in there. Maybe this will be further highlighted when we get going. Well the stage is approximately 70m away from Block 10 which is where the chant seemed to originate. It would take 0.2 seconds to travel to the stage from there. Although it felt like Paws was more than that out. Either way, the loud fans being that far away is far from ideal. The only time it probably won't matter is a full house against the Steelers.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Oct 20, 2019 19:23:52 GMT
Maybe use the noise block to chant disapproval to the beat of a drum. Might be close enough for the team to hear it and give their heads a wobble! Also Whoβs driving bulmer to the airport this week because zero output from a proven EIHL point scorer is a joke. Get that guy out of here
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 20, 2019 19:42:36 GMT
I really admire the postivity of somw of you to get behind it. I'm all for the idea being tried again. It really couldn't be worse timing though. Arguably the lowest the club has been in 15 years or so. Certainly the highest amount of apathy from the fanbase, And I think it's significantly stepped up this season too. So we will potentially have our noisest atmosphere in a long time whilst the club is at it's lowest. I'm all for getting behind the team, but I need something to feel I can get behind first.
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