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Post by wgray on Oct 10, 2019 18:02:33 GMT
I see, what was the email address you contacted? media@eliteleague they have to be something close to the guys who put the show on the OS. Ronnie and Jim (R+J stats) did a fine job over the years, may still be doing this season. But overall the old system previous to this seemed better. However the esports detail is great bar omitting of some detail or inaccuracies. eg) 14/9/19 v Dundee CARR SOG and player stats tally at 34 (33 saves) but go to the game sheet and we have 35 (34 saves) . plus 'goalie changes' column I'd be interested to know how it works. I do prefer the old layout but it’s great that the stats have now expanded, the shot map is a good feature.
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Post by Warren on Oct 10, 2019 20:45:17 GMT
You could be right regards Hazeldine’s relations!😂Looking at the highlights It was Lepine who should have been given the 2nd assist for Kelsall’s goal. Also, it was Malmquist who got an assist on the 1st goal, not Connelly, and Bulmer never touched the puck for the second goal, yet he received an assist. Here’s a question that you might be able to answer Bob. Let’s imagine the gamesheet was correct, and Lepine was awarded the secondary assist. So, Lepine passed the puck to Golovkovs and he immediately went for a shift change, then we scored with a new D pairing on the ice. If Lepine had been awarded the assist, would he also receive a ‘plus’ or is it ignored? Agreed re Lepine. And Malmqvist. And Bulmer. I believe that GD speaks to the league regarding correcting any errors on gamesheets, but these haven't been changed yet, so looks like they stay. It happened a few times last year and has happened already this year, that a player gets an assist on a goal, when actually sat on the bench at the time the goal goes in. That being the case, whilst he receives an assist, he cannot receive a +, as there are (generally) only 5, and they go to the players on the ice at the second the goal is scored. Them's the breaks. It's sometimes not that easy though. You'd be amazed how many bloody goals are scored in the middle of changing the D pairing... Then you just have to make a judgment call. I generally go with if the replacing player is outside the notional box in front of the bench, no matter where the replaced player is, they get the +. Or -, for that matter. Good statting, mon brave. Thats the way i see it. An "assist" is the action, where the + (or-) is a point in time (of the goal) A completely hypothetical situation.... its the last 60 seconds of the game, Panthers are 1 goal up, opposition pull the NM. Herr clears the puck out the zone, but not icing. the opposition pick it up faff in their zone so panthers make a full change. the opposition fluff it up and it goes into their net. the 5 players on the ice, all get +1, but Herr, despite not being on the ice will theoretically get the goal despit being sat on the bench. This is why when assessing stats, you need to take them all into account, and also have some faith in the "systems" in place to recored said stats. As said, they don't seem to quick to update them post game...
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Post by spik on Oct 10, 2019 21:54:45 GMT
Old (pointstreak) layout good and the new (esports) giving more (at times) info but things like the shot map also not tallying with other STATS page detail. Corrected later sometimes but much still amiss. But I can't imagine things still in error from weeks ago being addressed now. Stats are there as a true happening (a record), so must be penned correctly or in my mind not worth bothering with.
I also understand what Warren says re the hypothetical situation, but isn't +/- there to show who was part of the effective play to gain a goal not give it to those who have just jumped on. Reason to award the plus to those creating it.
No GRS with a space for notes , no proper goalie change notes (eg..both noted when ONE goes off it seems) etc... I know everything can;t go in there but vital stuff that was there is now amiss. IIHF changes I quess.
Tonights OS
Cardiff players detail on STATS have 38 SOG in total (same as GRS) Dundee minder shots against in STATS is given as 37 (as 1 is ENG) So 30 saves (on GRS) and 7 goals let in = 37 against minder,,,I gather all this
but Leclerc comes off at 59.02 (reason for 7 not 8 goals against him) but why in the 'goalie changes' column do both minders have their numbers penned? There must be a reason for it as it always happens but I have to understand why.
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Post by bobness on Oct 11, 2019 8:17:58 GMT
Agreed re Lepine. And Malmqvist. And Bulmer. I believe that GD speaks to the league regarding correcting any errors on gamesheets, but these haven't been changed yet, so looks like they stay. It happened a few times last year and has happened already this year, that a player gets an assist on a goal, when actually sat on the bench at the time the goal goes in. That being the case, whilst he receives an assist, he cannot receive a +, as there are (generally) only 5, and they go to the players on the ice at the second the goal is scored. Them's the breaks. It's sometimes not that easy though. You'd be amazed how many bloody goals are scored in the middle of changing the D pairing... Then you just have to make a judgment call. I generally go with if the replacing player is outside the notional box in front of the bench, no matter where the replaced player is, they get the +. Or -, for that matter. Good statting, mon brave. Thats the way i see it. An "assist" is the action, where the + (or-) is a point in time (of the goal) A completely hypothetical situation.... its the last 60 seconds of the game, Panthers are 1 goal up, opposition pull the NM. Herr clears the puck out the zone, but not icing. the opposition pick it up faff in their zone so panthers make a full change. the opposition fluff it up and it goes into their net. the 5 players on the ice, all get +1, but Herr, despite not being on the ice will theoretically get the goal despit being sat on the bench. This is why when assessing stats, you need to take them all into account, and also have some faith in the "systems" in place to recored said stats. As said, they don't seem to quick to update them post game... Like the theory! I'll decipher that one when it happens.
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Post by pantherlee on Oct 11, 2019 14:39:08 GMT
They made a right mess of the points tallies for this game. Looking at the highlights Hazeldine didn’t even touch the puck on the shift where Kelsall scored😂 I don't quite know exactly how stats work but could Hazeldine have an assist for tying up the defenceman in the crease?
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Post by spik on Oct 12, 2019 8:53:04 GMT
They made a right mess of the points tallies for this game. Looking at the highlights Hazeldine didn’t even touch the puck on the shift where Kelsall scored😂 I'll go with anything they want to put on the game sheet but now we have the other detail in a six page stats format it is showing up the errors badly. The information is well displayed on the OS but as can happen with anyone doing massive amounts of stats it can go wrong at times but just needs checking. The player STATS details don't tally with the goalies nor the GRS. The 'Events' differ from the rest and 'Line ups' also. The new shots count is out against the figures suggested. The 'goalie changes' is obscure that you can't understand what it's trying to say. Net minders time on ice is forever changing and remains either wrong as with Pims etc These look likely to stay an error as weeks go by. Statistics (though not always the answer and not what everyone goes by, never the less, needs to be correct and if anyone told me (as they have) that mine were out I'd be appreciative of the 'heads up'. Yet I have contacted the people in charge to tell them of the numbers that are wrong so they can put them right and because of this I have been stopped from receiving the weekly stats that is presently the 'results service', they gave out. Is that not just pathetic. The sport remains the same. Closed shop, non inclusive of it's customer (that we are now) getting upset that people on the outside may know a little more knowledge than they. Yet these people out there are only trying to help and if the governing body was a little more open they might find people that could be used. Two people that I know of who are members of the Cage Forum who hold statistics far greater than I as well.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 12, 2019 9:01:36 GMT
They made a right mess of the points tallies for this game. Looking at the highlights Hazeldine didn’t even touch the puck on the shift where Kelsall scored😂 I don't quite know exactly how stats work but could Hazeldine have an assist for tying up the defenceman in the crease? You need to physically touch the puck to get assists and goals* *they are some random situations where you can score without touching the puck, but not assists.
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Post by wgray on Oct 12, 2019 9:10:02 GMT
They made a right mess of the points tallies for this game. Looking at the highlights Hazeldine didn’t even touch the puck on the shift where Kelsall scored😂 I'll go with anything they want to put on the game sheet but now we have the other detail in a six page stats format it is showing up the errors badly. The information is well displayed on the OS but as can happen with anyone doing massive amounts of stats it can go wrong at times but just needs checking. The player STATS details don't tally with the goalies nor the GRS. The 'Events' differ from the rest and 'Line ups' also. The new shots count is out against the figures suggested. The 'goalie changes' is obscure that you can't understand what it's trying to say. Net minders time on ice is forever changing and remains either wrong as with Pims etc These look likely to stay an error as weeks go by. Statistics (though not always the answer and not what everyone goes by, never the less, needs to be correct and if anyone told me (as they have) that mine were out I'd be appreciative of the 'heads up'. Yet I have contacted the people in charge to tell them of the numbers that are wrong so they can put them right and because of this I have been stopped from receiving the weekly stats that is presently the 'results service', they gave out. Is that not just pathetic. The sport remains the same. Closed shop, non inclusive of it's customer (that we are now) getting upset that people on the outside may know a little more knowledge than they. Yet these people out there are only trying to help and if the governing body was a little more open they might find people that could be used. Two people that I know of who are members of the Cage Forum who hold statistics far greater than I as well. After the intial records they should always look at the game highlights and alter them all to suit. If I’d got people offering me help and highlighting any errors then I’d be grateful. As you say a simple acknowledgement would be appreciated.
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