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Post by dexter on Sept 29, 2019 20:49:00 GMT
Oh, and I forgot the penalties in overtime. Embarrassing. What Penalties in Overtime? Can you enlighten me please, myself and others that were at the game would like to know Penalty shots I should have said. Sorry, thought it was obvious. |
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Post by Yotes on Sept 29, 2019 20:54:07 GMT
closely followed by Loiseau Loiseau, our best faceoff winner who's been injured the last 2 weekends? |
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Post by iginla on Sept 29, 2019 21:04:42 GMT
closely followed by Loiseau Loiseau, our best faceoff winner who's been injured the last 2 weekends? Yes I know he’s injured. Not exactly standing out though is he and he isn’t a game changer. |
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Post by Joe on Sept 29, 2019 21:05:58 GMT
closely followed by Loiseau Loiseau, our best faceoff winner who's been injured the last 2 weekends? 2pts from 5 games though from someone who was described as being a big part of our offence when signed |
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Post by John Casey on Sept 29, 2019 21:09:30 GMT
What Penalties in Overtime? Can you enlighten me please, myself and others that were at the game would like to know Penalty shots I should have said. Sorry, thought it was obvious. No problems, yes the Penalty Shots were embassing
TBH, I don't think its the doom and gloom that some people say it is. YES, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A 4 POINT WEEKEND, but it wasn't for the lack of trying, Killeen did have to make saves and some bounces didn't go our way (At either end)
They certainly have to get their shooting skates back on otherwise I do agree about bringing somebody in. I would imaging some Centers might be being released soon, so we could snap 1 up.
I know some people wanted Guptill, but someone like Pither wouldn't go amiss
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Post by Yotes on Sept 29, 2019 21:29:03 GMT
Loiseau, our best faceoff winner who's been injured the last 2 weekends? 2pts from 5 games though from someone who was described as being a big part of our offence when signed Yeah not great, but if we're short of much at centre, we don't need to get rid of the best of a bad bunch do we? Plus he's not really had much time yet. In fact, none of them have had much time yet. |
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Post by PantherB on Sept 29, 2019 21:40:14 GMT
Not even gotten to the end of September and people are calling for heads already..
Nobody is denying that we are underperforming but Jesus Christ. We literally all, throughout the off-season, stated how our budget was clearly much less than the other top 3, and that we should expect to finish somewhere in the middle of the pack with part of the aim of the season being the Continental Cup. We are in season one of having a new system in place, director of hockey and a coach who is pretty different to any we've had so far, and is entering his first full season as coach. We aren't in a rebuild, we are trying something new and that deserves a chance after many years of discontent with the way the club has been run. There are over 50 games left this season.
Nobody wants to see us underperforming and the players will be even more frustrated than we are. Give it time. We are not entitled to win every game.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Sept 29, 2019 22:02:43 GMT
As these were my first home games, I liked the msgs from Jim Paek and Greg Hadden. Good idea. Have they been shown before, have other players featured as well ? I hope they arent constantly played every time we get a pp, go on the pk etc. We all know Panthers like to run the legs out of an idea. As for the team, I expect to see at least one change before the next home league game.
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Post by iginla on Sept 29, 2019 22:18:24 GMT
Not even gotten to the end of September and people are calling for heads already.. Nobody is denying that we are underperforming but Jesus Christ. We literally all, throughout the off-season, stated how our budget was clearly much less than the other top 3, and that we should expect to finish somewhere in the middle of the pack with part of the aim of the season being the Continental Cup. We are in season one of having a new system in place, director of hockey and a coach who is pretty different to any we've had so far, and is entering his first full season as coach. We aren't in a rebuild, we are trying something new and that deserves a chance after many years of discontent with the way the club has been run. There are over 50 games left this season. Nobody wants to see us underperforming and the players will be even more frustrated than we are. Give it time. We are not entitled to win every game. ALL of us,really ? Mmmm so we’re rebuilding eh,so don’t expect much this year,that’s absolute tosh. And if that budget is the same next year,or if most of the imports disappear again,guess what.....Panthers will be 3rd - 5th again next year ! |
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Post by madras on Sept 29, 2019 23:11:20 GMT
So Clan win both games without Matt Beca all weekend. Should be more comfortable both nights for Clan had Beca played.
For me Panthers are like Steelers in that they've brought in 4 import (sort of) netminders. Unfortunately for both Panthers and Steelers there ain't a decent nettie amongst the 4 of them and both clubs will spend the entire season swapping nettie for nettie after yet another howler.
What both clubs would give for a Patrick Killeen
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Post by allingtonskates on Sept 30, 2019 1:46:30 GMT
Regardless, says it all about him. Maybe it is too early for changes, but we are now 9 competitive games in + 4 pre season games. I'm not sure i've seen any positive reviews on Jakobs. Certainly not many. Plenty of problems in the forward lines but he looks top of the pile. The quality isn't there and we need a top line. Told you that about Jakobs three weeks ago. 🙄 And Malmquist better start showing something too or he’ll be the second one out the door,closely followed by Loiseau. Loiseau is injured? |
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Post by allingtonskates on Sept 30, 2019 1:48:46 GMT
Penalty shots I should have said. Sorry, thought it was obvious. No problems, yes the Penalty Shots were embassing
TBH, I don't think its the doom and gloom that some people say it is. YES, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A 4 POINT WEEKEND, but it wasn't for the lack of trying, Killeen did have to make saves and some bounces didn't go our way (At either end)
They certainly have to get their shooting skates back on otherwise I do agree about bringing somebody in. I would imaging some Centers might be being released soon, so we could snap 1 up.
I know some people wanted Guptill, but someone like Pither wouldn't go amiss
id take guptill over the pither we had last year. The penalty shots weren't bad just the goalie was better. Perlini’s shot would have gone in against the likes of Carr. It’s a shame it took so long to get Wallace or we could have possibly had Killeen. |
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Post by kievthegreat on Sept 30, 2019 2:23:39 GMT
Not even gotten to the end of September and people are calling for heads already.. Nobody is denying that we are underperforming but Jesus Christ. We literally all, throughout the off-season, stated how our budget was clearly much less than the other top 3, and that we should expect to finish somewhere in the middle of the pack with part of the aim of the season being the Continental Cup. We are in season one of having a new system in place, director of hockey and a coach who is pretty different to any we've had so far, and is entering his first full season as coach. We aren't in a rebuild, we are trying something new and that deserves a chance after many years of discontent with the way the club has been run. There are over 50 games left this season. Nobody wants to see us underperforming and the players will be even more frustrated than we are. Give it time. We are not entitled to win every game. Wallace has been tasked with rebuilding the club, a noble ambition. However he's undermined by not having a budget. It's been stated on here, in the stands, everywhere, that recent years haven't been good enough (I.e out of it by Christmas and ending up 4th etc...). If you then have what looks like a 4th or 5th biggest budget and we end up 4th or 5th, how have we progressed? We'd be back to achieving the results that were declared inadequate before and are still inadequate. Now while Panthers have had significant off-ice changes, they and the Giants have had a similar turnover on the ice, I fully expect to see them challenge for the title. The big difference will be that Giants have an appropriate budget to work with. Now a lot of blame will go on an apathetic management above Wallace, a smaller budget, etc..., but he's still going to end up taking flak for achieving what's probably a realistic finish. It also means next year we should expect to do better. If there's no increase in budget though, can we actually make meaningful improvements? Now Wallace probably gets a years leeway that Cherno didn't get because expectations have been managed (let's not forget that Cherno was sacked as soon as the league was effectively lost). However I very much doubt Panther's fans expectations to stay low after this season. They'll look around see big crowds in a big arena and demand more than treading water. New coach or not, big overhaul or not, Panthers 'should' have the team and budget to 'challenge'. It doesn't mean we have to win the league, but they should be part of the equation post Christmas. It doesn't mean they need to win the cup/playoffs, but they should be getting to the last 4. We haven't the budget though which is wholly on management as far as I'm concerned, but if we come 4th we've done objectively worse than last year. If we're not within 20 points of 1st, we're objectively worse than last year. Racks pressure up if fans don't see progress. Now I'll be happy to qualify for the CHL as I'd love a trip around Europe again, but I'm not going to celebrate much winning a dinner tray over the bread and butter hockey that I shell out my season ticket for. The continental cup is a nice to have on the side, but if we finish outside the top 4, this year is a failure, continental cup is irrelevant to 95% of the hockey played and is a not a marker of success for me. At this point I'm worried we're heading for what is classify as a failure. Well that was a rant! |
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Post by allingtonskates on Sept 30, 2019 3:05:02 GMT
Not even gotten to the end of September and people are calling for heads already.. Nobody is denying that we are underperforming but Jesus Christ. We literally all, throughout the off-season, stated how our budget was clearly much less than the other top 3, and that we should expect to finish somewhere in the middle of the pack with part of the aim of the season being the Continental Cup. We are in season one of having a new system in place, director of hockey and a coach who is pretty different to any we've had so far, and is entering his first full season as coach. We aren't in a rebuild, we are trying something new and that deserves a chance after many years of discontent with the way the club has been run. There are over 50 games left this season. Nobody wants to see us underperforming and the players will be even more frustrated than we are. Give it time. We are not entitled to win every game. Wallace has been tasked with rebuilding the club, a noble ambition. However he's undermined by not having a budget. It's been stated on here, in the stands, everywhere, that recent years haven't been good enough (I.e out of it by Christmas and ending up 4th etc...). If you then have what looks like a 4th or 5th biggest budget and we end up 4th or 5th, how have we progressed? We'd be back to achieving the results that were declared inadequate before and are still inadequate. Now while Panthers have had significant off-ice changes, they and the Giants have had a similar turnover on the ice, I fully expect to see them challenge for the title. The big difference will be that Giants have an appropriate budget to work with. Now a lot of blame will go on an apathetic management above Wallace, a smaller budget, etc..., but he's still going to end up taking flak for achieving what's probably a realistic finish. It also means next year we should expect to do better. If there's no increase in budget though, can we actually make meaningful improvements? Now Wallace probably gets a years leeway that Cherno didn't get because expectations have been managed (let's not forget that Cherno was sacked as soon as the league was effectively lost). However I very much doubt Panther's fans expectations to stay low after this season. They'll look around see big crowds in a big arena and demand more than treading water. New coach or not, big overhaul or not, Panthers 'should' have the team and budget to 'challenge'. It doesn't mean we have to win the league, but they should be part of the equation post Christmas. It doesn't mean they need to win the cup/playoffs, but they should be getting to the last 4. We haven't the budget though which is wholly on management as far as I'm concerned, but if we come 4th we've done objectively worse than last year. If we're not within 20 points of 1st, we're objectively worse than last year. Racks pressure up if fans don't see progress. Now I'll be happy to qualify for the CHL as I'd love a trip around Europe again, but I'm not going to celebrate much winning a dinner tray over the bread and butter hockey that I shell out my season ticket for. The continental cup is a nice to have on the side, but if we finish outside the top 4, this year is a failure, continental cup is irrelevant to 95% of the hockey played and is a not a marker of success for me. At this point I'm worried we're heading for what is classify as a failure. Well that was a rant! exactly this. We should always have big expectations as we are a big club. If this year really is a rebuilding year then we HAVE to build a core. It’s far too early to say who we should keep but the likes of Herr, Deutsch ect. I can’t help but feel we will lose key players at the end of this season like we always do. Doucet knows what they do in Cardiff to keep players around and now he has to help implement that here other wise I think we will stay the same as a revolving door at the end of each season. As for this season I doubt we will win anything at all (including the Conti. Cup). I’d imagine we will likely finish between 4th and 6th. If they want to win anything this year I’d imagine they’d have to sign 2 or 3 forwards how can actually score. On a positive note I think Malmquist is getting better every game, hopefully he can be to us what Liam Morgan is to Belfast so far. |
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Post by iginla on Sept 30, 2019 7:29:06 GMT
Not even gotten to the end of September and people are calling for heads already.. Nobody is denying that we are underperforming but Jesus Christ. We literally all, throughout the off-season, stated how our budget was clearly much less than the other top 3, and that we should expect to finish somewhere in the middle of the pack with part of the aim of the season being the Continental Cup. We are in season one of having a new system in place, director of hockey and a coach who is pretty different to any we've had so far, and is entering his first full season as coach. We aren't in a rebuild, we are trying something new and that deserves a chance after many years of discontent with the way the club has been run. There are over 50 games left this season. Nobody wants to see us underperforming and the players will be even more frustrated than we are. Give it time. We are not entitled to win every game. Wallace has been tasked with rebuilding the club, a noble ambition. However he's undermined by not having a budget. It's been stated on here, in the stands, everywhere, that recent years haven't been good enough (I.e out of it by Christmas and ending up 4th etc...). If you then have what looks like a 4th or 5th biggest budget and we end up 4th or 5th, how have we progressed? We'd be back to achieving the results that were declared inadequate before and are still inadequate. Now while Panthers have had significant off-ice changes, they and the Giants have had a similar turnover on the ice, I fully expect to see them challenge for the title. The big difference will be that Giants have an appropriate budget to work with. Now a lot of blame will go on an apathetic management above Wallace, a smaller budget, etc..., but he's still going to end up taking flak for achieving what's probably a realistic finish. It also means next year we should expect to do better. If there's no increase in budget though, can we actually make meaningful improvements? Now Wallace probably gets a years leeway that Cherno didn't get because expectations have been managed (let's not forget that Cherno was sacked as soon as the league was effectively lost). However I very much doubt Panther's fans expectations to stay low after this season. They'll look around see big crowds in a big arena and demand more than treading water. New coach or not, big overhaul or not, Panthers 'should' have the team and budget to 'challenge'. It doesn't mean we have to win the league, but they should be part of the equation post Christmas. It doesn't mean they need to win the cup/playoffs, but they should be getting to the last 4. We haven't the budget though which is wholly on management as far as I'm concerned, but if we come 4th we've done objectively worse than last year. If we're not within 20 points of 1st, we're objectively worse than last year. Racks pressure up if fans don't see progress. Now I'll be happy to qualify for the CHL as I'd love a trip around Europe again, but I'm not going to celebrate much winning a dinner tray over the bread and butter hockey that I shell out my season ticket for. The continental cup is a nice to have on the side, but if we finish outside the top 4, this year is a failure, continental cup is irrelevant to 95% of the hockey played and is a not a marker of success for me. At this point I'm worried we're heading for what is classify as a failure. Well that was a rant! Spot on. 👍 |
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Post by wgray on Sept 30, 2019 11:24:34 GMT
Does anyone think that we might have held some money back to sign another forward without having to release anyone? Giving us a spare forward and spare D-man.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 30, 2019 11:34:32 GMT
To build a team you need a budget. To keep the core of your team to build and improve you need a budget. I don’t believe the budget is available pure and simple. The whole rebuilding BS is bogus IMO and just an excuse for a fairly cheap team.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 30, 2019 11:35:04 GMT
Does anyone think that we might have held some money back to sign another forward without having to release anyone? Giving us a spare forward and spare D-man. The possibility of getting Farmer back perhaps. |
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Post by bobness on Sept 30, 2019 11:56:50 GMT
For a small amount of context, I believe moneybags CHL Belfast haven't won away all season yet.
They are 3 and 3, in all EIHL competitions with one of those losses in OT.
Moneybags Steelers are 5 and 5, and have already made a change, bringing in a far cheaper player, I'd assume.
Moneybags teambuilders Cardiff are 5 and 2, but have been spanked at home to the Clan and away at Coventry, and squeaking past Guildford twice.
Wallace does appear to use the same random line generator that CN had, and used it all weekend. I can't see how you can get much chemistry going when you're not playing with the same people shift in shift out.
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Post by EMB on Sept 30, 2019 12:35:39 GMT
Does anyone think that we might have held some money back to sign another forward without having to release anyone? Giving us a spare forward and spare D-man. The possibility of getting Farmer back perhaps. I wouldn't want him back now, he wanted away so obviously doesn't want to be here. Rumour had it his head was turned by Cardiff but they wouldn't pay him out his contract, does that mean he will be cheaper to buy out half way through the season? As I said all speculation but when your 4 Brit seniors all wanted away then something isn't right. That saying Lacho & Ollie are having a great season so far. |
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Post by Jord v4 on Sept 30, 2019 13:45:54 GMT
Does anyone think that we might have held some money back to sign another forward without having to release anyone? Giving us a spare forward and spare D-man. No, we haven't. The base budget has been spent. There's always a back up budget for circumstance but the bulk is used up. It's a significantly lower budget than others this season, was last season as well although we were carrying over some crazy salaries last season |
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Post by kievthegreat on Sept 30, 2019 13:53:06 GMT
Does anyone think that we might have held some money back to sign another forward without having to release anyone? Giving us a spare forward and spare D-man. No, we haven't. The base budget has been spent. There's always a back up budget for circumstance but the bulk is used up. It's a significantly lower budget than others this season, was last season as well although we were carrying over some crazy salaries last season Ignoring the rest if the league for a second, is this years budget the same, bigger or smaller than last year? If you know of course. |
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Post by Jord v4 on Sept 30, 2019 14:23:35 GMT
No, we haven't. The base budget has been spent. There's always a back up budget for circumstance but the bulk is used up. It's a significantly lower budget than others this season, was last season as well although we were carrying over some crazy salaries last season Ignoring the rest if the league for a second, is this years budget the same, bigger or smaller than last year? If you know of course. I believe the base budget for on ice recruitment is the same... Now the wording there is important as it includes coaches & stuff.
Whether it includes the DOH is open to interpretation. I'd argue it does as recruitment has been labelled the HC's role in the past.
It's never been really mentioned what role the DOH has after the recruitment phase. For the cynical out there, (Hi, Iggy), it's .50 cal ammunition.
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Post by wgray on Sept 30, 2019 15:16:42 GMT
For a small amount of context, I believe moneybags CHL Belfast haven't won away all season yet. They are 3 and 3, in all EIHL competitions with one of those losses in OT. Moneybags Steelers are 5 and 5, and have already made a change, bringing in a far cheaper player, I'd assume. Moneybags teambuilders Cardiff are 5 and 2, but have been spanked at home to the Clan and away at Coventry, and squeaking past Guildford twice. Wallace does appear to use the same random line generator that CN had, and used it all weekend. I can't see how you can get much chemistry going when you're not playing with the same people shift in shift out. You make a good point about the random line generator, the lines we had out on Saturday were different to the ones we had out on Sunday. Obviously Wallace wasn’t happy after Saturdays game, hence the changes but he was more upbeat after yesterday’s game so maybe he felt like there were more positive signs. For me Bulmer and Herr are our two best forwards, when Loiseau comes back in I suspect he may be given a chance on a line with them or, I’d even give Malmquist a chance to play at centre with them, he’s showing some promising signs of the player he can be. I’m still frustrated and disappointed after the weekend just gone, but we need to allow Wallace to identify the best forward line combinations. We’ve had quite a few injuries and bans in the forward ranks which hasn’t helped Tim, but once he makes the decisions we all need to give them time to build chemistry. |
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Post by Joe on Sept 30, 2019 16:25:23 GMT
I don’t know if you have listened to any of the podcasts that Panthers have been doing with the players but in the one with Desantis, he says that Wallace has taken a lot from his time with WBS and that he’s using it this season. In the Wallace podcast, Tim said that it is expected for players to perform no matter what line they are on, so maybe Tim is applying that to this team which is why players are constantly moving up and down the lineup
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