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Post by Yotes on Sept 29, 2019 0:05:52 GMT
Should our upper management/ownership ever change, we might stand half a chance of fans being able to set something up. I don't know what the law is about standing in an arena, like they're doing at Cardiff, whether you need rail seating installed etc? Fairly certain when they pan around arenas at the darts there's loads of drunk blokes on their feet. Same when there's concerts, I'm certain you don't quietly sit in your seat when Metallica are in town. I'm certain they'll cry Health and Safety though. I was wondering really why at football grounds they're always so desperate to get you to sit down. Looking it up the law's only that they have to provide you a seat, not that you have to sit in it. So we could make the area behind the goal standing, if we wanted to. Over to you, Gary.
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Post by DJP on Sept 29, 2019 0:09:15 GMT
In reply to spik, John Russell must be this guy: www.eliteprospects.com/player/115430/john-russell (the birth dates given in the gamesheet and Elite Prospects tally). I assume he should have been included in the Glasgow roster but was mistakenly included in ours.
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Post by kievthegreat on Sept 29, 2019 0:19:38 GMT
Should our upper management/ownership ever change, we might stand half a chance of fans being able to set something up. I don't know what the law is about standing in an arena, like they're doing at Cardiff, whether you need rail seating installed etc? The law only refers to football stadiums and legislated, amongst other things, all seater stadiums for the top 2 divisions in England. There is no law against standing per se, but all football tickets need to be for a seat. This shouldn't affect any other arena or indeed Football stadia when used for other sports (For instance I once watched Rugby at Wembley and I can drink a beer in sight of the pitch, something which would be illegal at a football match). Indeed some Football clubs have allowed standing in an official sense (as opposed to when the stewards give up trying) and have argued it is not "inherently unsafe" and took a policy of zero tolerance for persistent standing outside the designated end, but completely allowed in the designated end. This was done with the approval of authorites. www.fsf.org.uk/blog/view/Cardiff-City-s-incredible-journey-by-Dr-Steve-Frosdick(brilliant name!)
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Post by kievthegreat on Sept 29, 2019 0:23:59 GMT
Fairly certain when they pan around arenas at the darts there's loads of drunk blokes on their feet. Same when there's concerts, I'm certain you don't quietly sit in your seat when Metallica are in town. I'm certain they'll cry Health and Safety though. I was wondering really why at football grounds they're always so desperate to get you to sit down. Looking it up the law's only that they have to provide you a seat, not that you have to sit in it. So we could make the area behind the goal standing, if we wanted to. Over to you, Gary. If you had an empty seating plan you'd stick it in Block 10, even if it was just the top half above the entrance. If you were to do something now I think you'd be best off in Block 12 (directly opposite the away fans). If the club were clever they'd look at doing cheap tickets all round for the 2 Manchester cup games and trialling a singing section (I'd like standing, but I'd settle for singing).
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Post by Joe on Sept 29, 2019 7:38:55 GMT
Fairly certain when they pan around arenas at the darts there's loads of drunk blokes on their feet. Same when there's concerts, I'm certain you don't quietly sit in your seat when Metallica are in town. I'm certain they'll cry Health and Safety though. I was wondering really why at football grounds they're always so desperate to get you to sit down. Looking it up the law's only that they have to provide you a seat, not that you have to sit in it. So we could make the area behind the goal standing, if we wanted to. Over to you, Gary. it’s a good idea to put it at the stage end but in reality that’s where Paws and the inflatable are and they care more about that than any atmosphere
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 29, 2019 9:29:13 GMT
Serious question why are your fans so quiet when the team need you to help them? I am proud to be a Clan fan tonight, having sang all night. I don't buy any of that at all. I've been to every EIHL rink or arena in the UK (bar Guildford so far) and every one of them you could hear a pin drop if the home team is losing or playing badly. Ours is possibly a little worse due to the average age of the people in there but after the last two years we have had they should be thankful I even turn up to watch.
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Post by Higgy on Sept 29, 2019 9:43:41 GMT
Serious question why are your fans so quiet when the team need you to help them? I am proud to be a Clan fan tonight, having sang all night. From Reading opinions on here and speaking to other Panthers fans the mindset of a lot of the regular fans seems to be they only make noise when the players give them something to cheer about, which is backwards IMO. The make-up of the crowd doesn’t help either, probably 50% of the people there tonight just came for something to do, to have a beer, to see something entertaining, they probably don’t care if the team loses so they’re not going to shout and encourage them. Then when you look at the actual hockey fans in attendance, our fanbase is a lot older than yours, this could be considered a bit of a generalisation but when you look around the MAJORITY of the older fans don’t tend to shout or chant. There are a lot of 'older' fans who sit near me most have had the same season ticket seats since the arena opened. Last night was a classic example,after our first goal went in most were just sat down not even clapping, these aren't people here for a night out but long terms fans. If they cant even show any enthusiasm...what chance is there to get a good atmosphere going? There are a lot of fans who used to make noise who no longer come to games which also hasn't helped.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 10:03:30 GMT
Then look at the enthusiasm at Forest these days.. sell outs home and away.. plenty of noise .. the complete opposite of what's happening at Panthers right now
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Post by sm0368 on Sept 29, 2019 10:09:48 GMT
Serious question why are your fans so quiet when the team need you to help them? I am proud to be a Clan fan tonight, having sang all night. I don't buy any of that at all. I've been to every EIHL rink or arena in the UK (bar Guildford so far) and every one of them you could hear a pin drop if the home team is losing or playing badly. Ours is possibly a little worse due to the average age of the people in there but after the last two years we have had they should be thankful I even turn up to watch. My point was you weren’t losing at that point you were 2-1 up and even at 2-2 your team were on top and the only fans you could hear was us. Teams thrive on atmosphere which you don’t provide
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Post by spik on Sept 29, 2019 10:14:25 GMT
In reply to spik, John Russell must be this guy: www.eliteprospects.com/player/115430/john-russell (the birth dates given in the gamesheet and Elite Prospects tally). I assume he should have been included in the Glasgow roster but was mistakenly included in ours. No. Actually he's been in OUR Roster all season from the off with regard to the League games at least. Thanks for the info DJP, anyone else an idea? Can't remember it being in the news but fear it was mentioned and I missed it.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 29, 2019 10:18:54 GMT
I'd imagine that's just a glitch, someone's put him in incorrectly. He's not listed on our site, and he wasn't announced during the summer.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 29, 2019 10:26:36 GMT
My point was you weren’t losing at that point you were 2-1 up and even at 2-2 your team were on top and the only fans you could hear was us. Teams thrive on atmosphere which you don’t provide So we were winning without any input from us, and you were losing despite you being ruddy bloody brilliant? Doesn't really make sense. Surely you should've just smashed us from the off, due to your personal magnificence? The entire experience, from the way the game is played (a lot less physical than it used to be) to the way it's presented (exactly the same as it used to be), is just very nice and comfortable. It's not conducive to a heightened atmosphere. Sometimes something happens outside of the cosiness which wakes everyone up, but normally it just softly washes over you, and then you go home.
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Post by sm0368 on Sept 29, 2019 10:31:38 GMT
My point was you weren’t losing at that point you were 2-1 up and even at 2-2 your team were on top and the only fans you could hear was us. Teams thrive on atmosphere which you don’t provide So we were winning without any input from us, and you were losing despite you being ruddy bloody brilliant? Doesn't really make sense. Surely you should've just smashed us from the off, due to your personal magnificence? The entire experience, from the way the game is played (a lot less physical than it used to be) to the way it's presented (exactly the same as it used to be), is just very nice and comfortable. It's not conducive to a heightened atmosphere. Sometimes something happens outside of the cosiness which wakes everyone up, but normally it just softly washes over you, and then you go home. Well if that is how you choose to view it so be it. I love the fact that my fan base has passion and proud to support the team vocally. If you guys are happy to sit and “softly wash” or you feel that is a shame hockey is all about passion.
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Post by wgray on Sept 29, 2019 10:38:38 GMT
So we were winning without any input from us, and you were losing despite you being ruddy bloody brilliant? Doesn't really make sense. Surely you should've just smashed us from the off, due to your personal magnificence? The entire experience, from the way the game is played (a lot less physical than it used to be) to the way it's presented (exactly the same as it used to be), is just very nice and comfortable. It's not conducive to a heightened atmosphere. Sometimes something happens outside of the cosiness which wakes everyone up, but normally it just softly washes over you, and then you go home. Well if that is how you choose to view it so be it. I love the fact that my fan base has passion and proud to support the team vocally. If you guys are happy to sit and “softly wash” or you feel that is a shame hockey is all about passion. Have you read my earlier response to you in this thread?
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Post by Yotes on Sept 29, 2019 10:42:37 GMT
I love the fact that my fan base has passion and proud to support the team vocally. Rewind to last year and your fanbase were just as quiet as us, there was certainly nothing remarkable about you. Away blocks always make more noise because of a concentration of people who can be bothered enough to travel the length of the country, I'd imagine our fans do a bit better on the road.
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Post by iginla on Sept 29, 2019 10:45:03 GMT
So we were winning without any input from us, and you were losing despite you being ruddy bloody brilliant? Doesn't really make sense. Surely you should've just smashed us from the off, due to your personal magnificence? The entire experience, from the way the game is played (a lot less physical than it used to be) to the way it's presented (exactly the same as it used to be), is just very nice and comfortable. It's not conducive to a heightened atmosphere. Sometimes something happens outside of the cosiness which wakes everyone up, but normally it just softly washes over you, and then you go home. Well if that is how you choose to view it so be it. I love the fact that my fan base has passion and proud to support the team vocally. If you guys are happy to sit and “softly wash” or you feel that is a shame hockey is all about passion. That’s the problem with the Panthers fan base in general,far far too many of them are quite content to just turn up watch whatever dross entertainment is on offer and regardless of the result go home relatively happy and do exactly the same thing again next week. This is sport,winning should matter,but it comes down from the top at Panthers,the management don’t seem too bothered about winning,they view it as an entertainment industry, that then filters down to the fans and you’ve got what you’re seeing now.....complete apathy played out in a library.
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Post by sm0368 on Sept 29, 2019 10:49:39 GMT
I love the fact that my fan base has passion and proud to support the team vocally. Rewind to last year and your fanbase were just as quiet as us, there was certainly nothing remarkable about you. Away blocks always make more noise because of a concentration of people who can be bothered enough to travel the length of the country, I'd imagine our fans do a bit better on the road. Not sure your away fans do, very quiet when you head to Glasgow. Was at the game at the beginning of last season and we were loud then. Can’t comment on games I wasn’t there at. Generally Clan fans are loud at most games home or away.
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Post by Jord v4 on Sept 29, 2019 11:18:30 GMT
Rewind to last year and your fanbase were just as quiet as us, there was certainly nothing remarkable about you. Away blocks always make more noise because of a concentration of people who can be bothered enough to travel the length of the country, I'd imagine our fans do a bit better on the road. Not sure your away fans do, very quiet when you head to Glasgow. Was at the game at the beginning of last season and we were loud then. Can’t comment on games I wasn’t there at. Generally Clan fans are loud at most games home or away. Yet you've won absolutely nothing despite apparently having the most fervent fans in the country... Possibly not that important a factor after all.
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Post by sm0368 on Sept 29, 2019 11:23:02 GMT
Not sure your away fans do, very quiet when you head to Glasgow. Was at the game at the beginning of last season and we were loud then. Can’t comment on games I wasn’t there at. Generally Clan fans are loud at most games home or away. Yet you've won absolutely nothing despite apparently having the most fervent fans in the country... Possibly not that important a factor after all. Yet we have an enjoyment still, perhaps we realise that we won’t have a massive budget than the top 4 and we go for a laugh to enjoy hockey sorry for that.
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Post by Jord v4 on Sept 29, 2019 11:27:33 GMT
Yet you've won absolutely nothing despite apparently having the most fervent fans in the country... Possibly not that important a factor after all. Yet we have an enjoyment still, perhaps we realise that we won’t have a massive budget than the top 4 and we go for a laugh to enjoy hockey sorry for that. Make you're mind up, all Panthers needed was 50 odd fans to sing them to victory didn't they?
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Post by sm0368 on Sept 29, 2019 11:49:21 GMT
Yet we have an enjoyment still, perhaps we realise that we won’t have a massive budget than the top 4 and we go for a laugh to enjoy hockey sorry for that. Make you're mind up, all Panthers needed was 50 odd fans to sing them to victory didn't they? My original post was about how flat the atmosphere was at the arena. Clearly we have two different mind sets for watching a game. Anyway sure you will congratulate Clan on a good road game victory 🤣
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 29, 2019 11:51:58 GMT
I don't buy any of that at all. I've been to every EIHL rink or arena in the UK (bar Guildford so far) and every one of them you could hear a pin drop if the home team is losing or playing badly. Ours is possibly a little worse due to the average age of the people in there but after the last two years we have had they should be thankful I even turn up to watch. My point was you weren’t losing at that point you were 2-1 up and even at 2-2 your team were on top and the only fans you could hear was us. Teams thrive on atmosphere which you don’t provide The last two years doesn't get forgotten in the first few weeks of the season. Last year (and the year before) we were busy boo'ing the team off the ice at the end of each period. Hopefully things are getting better but I am far from convinced just yet.
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Post by Jord v4 on Sept 29, 2019 12:00:09 GMT
Make you're mind up, all Panthers needed was 50 odd fans to sing them to victory didn't they? My original post was about how flat the atmosphere was at the arena. Clearly we have two different mind sets for watching a game. Anyway sure you will congratulate Clan on a good road game victory 🤣 Win all you like for me, just realize all you did was pay for a seat in the stands and sing the odd song. I doubt that was on Fitzy's coaching board. All the best today and a safe journey home.
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Post by spik on Sept 29, 2019 12:36:51 GMT
Make you're mind up, all Panthers needed was 50 odd fans to sing them to victory didn't they? My original post was about how flat the atmosphere was at the arena. Clearly we have two different mind sets for watching a game. Anyway sure you will congratulate Clan on a good road game victory 🤣 Years gone by I traveled away a lot. We outnumbered the home crowd, we sang loud and proud and went home after a loss. I was a main culprit and was married to a Glaswegian. I can only guess I'm a grumpy old man these days and she's following the Clan now. Away you do gather in a number to support your team as you have. Congratulations on a good away victory.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 15:12:43 GMT
In the summer Panthers were predicted to finish 4th/5th by fans across the league so now as the season has started its looking likely this could well be the case.. so why the meltdown.. you can't have it both ways folks.
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