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Post by Gilly on Sept 5, 2019 11:13:29 GMT
Call me rose tinted but looking at bulmers "knee", i genuinely believe he was trying to simply block the puck from going through his legs, hence the sideward turn of both skates to create a bigger surface area to do so. I also think that bulmer is in a more vunerable position than Lemtyugov as his knee is sideways whereas Lemtyugov is heading straight on at full speed.
Having thought about Davies - i think his is probably fair, he didnt throw it with intent, but can't simply go throwing things into the crowd.
The one which is a joke is the Kalns 1 game ban. the lad is 5ft 9 and throwing an obvious and more than avoidable check to the head. how this isnt 2/3 games is beyond me.
Connolly should be 2 games also - you just cant go driving someones head into the ice as they lay face down - its not a hockey play and should have been dealt with.
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Post by datysuk13 on Sept 5, 2019 11:56:27 GMT
I suppose plenty remember when Nieckar got a multiple game ban for punching someone in the back of the head who was STOOD UP!.
who's more vulnerable? Someone laying face down or stood up?
And the game is more than twice as soft now!
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Post by dill1015 on Sept 5, 2019 12:15:40 GMT
Davies getting 2 for throwing something into the crowd seems light, but ok as long they do the same for anyone else.
But how on earth has Connelly not got anything. Im sorry that is ridiculous. Hes throwimg punches to the back of someones head whos face down on the ice. If thats not ban worthy i dont know what is.
Im one of those people that thinks the game has been watered down too much. But some things have always been unacceptable and thats one of them. In years gone by Connelly would get no choiced next game, unfortunately in todays hockey he'll probably get off scott free. DOPS you should be asshamed.
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Post by bobness on Sept 5, 2019 13:06:48 GMT
We don’t get explanations when incidents don’t incur a ban Errr yes we do or did last year either way.. I'm waiting for when a Panthers player drives a players head into the ice or something similar which is a non hockey play like what Connelly did And Deutsch was pushed into the goalie anyway by their d man.. I dont wear rose tinted specs I can see perfectly with my eyes thanks DOPS didn’t explain many, if any, non decisions last year, as I recall. Just too many. Happy to be proved wrong though, as always. One assumes that no supplementary discipline announced means either “looked at and happy with the on ice call” or “ didn’t even look at” . I agree, the Davies apology thing is weird. He played with a proper attitude Sunday, I was amazed when I looked at his past PIMs, how little he has.
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Post by wgray on Sept 5, 2019 14:33:51 GMT
Regards Connolly, I’m failing to understand why he’s not been given a ban for having a fight in the last few minutes of the game, this was a rule last season, a stupid rule, but it was in place.
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Post by bobness on Sept 5, 2019 15:24:34 GMT
Regards Connolly, I’m failing to understand why he’s not been given a ban for having a fight in the last few minutes of the game, this was a rule last season, a stupid rule, but it was in place. The only DOPS call for that kind of thing last year was Boxill, who got a game off for being an instigator of a fight in the last 5 minutes. Quite why that hasn't applied I'm not overly sure. Maybe that only applies to 2 way fights? It's worth also pointing out that Bulmer was banned twice last season, early doors he got a 2 game ban for checking to the head, so that's another thing he'll be a repeat offender for if he does it again.
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Post by wgray on Sept 5, 2019 16:41:14 GMT
Regards Connolly, I’m failing to understand why he’s not been given a ban for having a fight in the last few minutes of the game, this was a rule last season, a stupid rule, but it was in place. The only DOPS call for that kind of thing last year was Boxill, who got a game off for being an instigator of a fight in the last 5 minutes. Quite why that hasn't applied I'm not overly sure. Maybe that only applies to 2 way fights? It's worth also pointing out that Bulmer was banned twice last season, early doors he got a 2 game ban for checking to the head, so that's another thing he'll be a repeat offender for if he does it again. Fair point, maybe a look into the actual wording of the rule will shed some light. Regards Bulmer, I think it was slightly harsh by DOPS to make that decision but Bulmer could have made a much more effective play, a mid ice hit would have been perfect. I like the fact he plays with an edge, I think this team especially needs someone who brings that, but as you point out his card is marked. However, the rate with which DOPS handed out bans the last two seasons, and the way they have started this season, that will be a case for a lot of the players that play hockey on that fine line. On another point I’m not surprised Sheffield requested a review, typical sore, loser mentality. I’m glad we’ve had the fallout from the last game though, especially Connolly avoiding a ban, it might make the beginnings of an actual on-ice rivalry again!
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Post by bobness on Sept 5, 2019 16:48:08 GMT
Kneeing is a cheap, dangerous play, full stop. I'd expect any team to ask for a play like that to be reviewed, winning or losing.
There's "playing with an edge" and there's "way over that edge and into "downright dangerous to other player's careers" territory" for me. Bulmer has been banned for kneeing in 2 of his last 3 EIHL games. It's to be hoped he's had a talking to, or he'll be this year's Rissling.
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Post by kezypanther on Sept 5, 2019 17:43:21 GMT
Exactly bobness which we is something we can not afford to have on our roster, especially because he was signed as one of our top point scorers this season. Can’t do that if he’s banned all season for stupid plays like this. Shame really as I think he could be a great player if he cuts that stuff out.
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Post by deke on Sept 5, 2019 19:09:07 GMT
Soon as I saw Bulmer hit the steelers man knee on knee I knew he would get a ban. 2 games is far considering he has form for this. Can not get how their man connelly has got nothing for mounting a player bashing his head into the ice and repeatedly punched a player with no way to defend himself in the head. Very strange
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Post by wgray on Sept 5, 2019 19:15:26 GMT
Kneeing is a cheap, dangerous play, full stop. I'd expect any team to ask for a play like that to be reviewed, winning or losing. There's "playing with an edge" and there's "way over that edge and into "downright dangerous to other player's careers" territory" for me. Bulmer has been banned for kneeing in 2 of his last 3 EIHL games. It's to be hoped he's had a talking to, or he'll be this year's Rissling. Yes, kneeing is cheap, we don’t want to see it, I wasn’t referring to this incident when talking about his edge though, just to clarify. There are a few reasons I feel it’s harsh though. Firstly, the refs made a 2 min call for tripping, there was no reaction to the incident on the ice, as you would expect from a dirty play, yet it’s requested to be reviewed and it’s now a 2 game punishment. So either it’s harsh from DOPS, or the refs have made another howler? I’d also question the intention. If he wanted to knee him, why did he go side on, putting his own knee in an extremely vulnerable position? Why not stay face on and keep his knee bent if he’s trying to knee him? I do believe he will have been spoken to about how he plays going forward though, he’s got to be squeaky clean.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 5, 2019 20:03:49 GMT
Bulmer's looks lazy to me, just hanging a leg, rather than malicious.
Having just watched the highlights, I was expecting worse from Connolly too tbh. You'd have to expect a bit of tap if you run over the goalie like Deutsch, whether he got knocked into him or not. Obviously he's (Connolly) a bell and needs a slap but I think 5+20 seems enough.
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Post by Jord v4 on Sept 6, 2019 7:10:31 GMT
If it's any consolation to the sensitive ones in this thread Wallace is pretty furious over Connolly not being banned.
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Post by iginla on Sept 6, 2019 7:51:30 GMT
If it's any consolation to the sensitive ones in this thread Wallace is pretty furious over Connolly not being banned. Perhaps Deutsch should have faked an injury for a few days,then Connolly might have been more likely to get banned. They’ll soon learn how to play the system !
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 6, 2019 8:03:33 GMT
If it's any consolation to the sensitive ones in this thread Wallace is pretty furious over Connolly not being banned. Sensitive? You don't have to be a bit on the snowflake side to be more than a little annoyed by the sight of one of your team's players face-down on the ice getting punched repeatedly in the back of the head...
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Post by bobness on Sept 6, 2019 8:09:08 GMT
If it's any consolation to the sensitive ones in this thread Wallace is pretty furious over Connolly not being banned. Did he ask for it to be reviewed then? Or was it automatically reviewed as a major penalty? Next Steelers game might be tasty then, if he's got some cojones on him. Davies is ripe for winding up, too.
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Post by bobness on Sept 6, 2019 8:11:38 GMT
If it's any consolation to the sensitive ones in this thread Wallace is pretty furious over Connolly not being banned. Perhaps Deutsch should have faked an injury for a few days,then Connolly might have been more likely to get banned. They’ll soon learn how to play the system ! You're advocating cheating?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2019 8:23:25 GMT
If it's any consolation to the sensitive ones in this thread Wallace is pretty furious over Connolly not being banned. Did he ask for it to be reviewed then? Or was it automatically reviewed as a major penalty? Next Steelers game might be tasty then, if he's got some cojones on him. Davies is ripe for winding up, too. All major penalties are reviewed according to the DOPS info on the EIHL website www.eliteleague.co.uk/dops
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Post by bobness on Sept 6, 2019 9:09:10 GMT
Did he ask for it to be reviewed then? Or was it automatically reviewed as a major penalty? Next Steelers game might be tasty then, if he's got some cojones on him. Davies is ripe for winding up, too. All major penalties are reviewed according to the DOPS info on the EIHL website www.eliteleague.co.uk/dopsYes, thought so, thanks for confirming. Well, in that case, DOPS have looked at it and effectively said that 5+G was the correct call, end of. We move on...
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Post by datysuk13 on Sept 6, 2019 9:34:46 GMT
Perhaps Deutsch should have faked an injury for a few days,then Connolly might have been more likely to get banned. They’ll soon learn how to play the system ! You're advocating cheating? Pretty much but more on the sly.. it wouldn't be the first time Panthers have been on the wrong end dirty tactics like this 😉🤔
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Post by iginla on Sept 6, 2019 9:37:55 GMT
Perhaps Deutsch should have faked an injury for a few days,then Connolly might have been more likely to get banned. They’ll soon learn how to play the system ! You're advocating cheating? I’m not advocating it but it wouldn’t be the first time a player made a quick recovery would it. 😉 Level playing field and all that.
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Post by Gilly on Sept 6, 2019 9:42:49 GMT
Forget the ban connolly didnt get - let him and Deutsch go at it from the first face off and then its done. Neither of them could fight their way out of a paper bag so it could make for some light entertainment
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Post by SteelerBlade on Sept 6, 2019 10:40:23 GMT
Gautier did the whole punching on the floor thing last year to Aaron Johnson and got 0 games.
Although I remember Byers getting 1 game for it last year too.
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Post by Jord v4 on Sept 6, 2019 11:45:01 GMT
If it's any consolation to the sensitive ones in this thread Wallace is pretty furious over Connolly not being banned. Sensitive? You don't have to be a bit on the snowflake side to be more than a little annoyed by the sight of one of your team's players face-down on the ice getting punched repeatedly in the back of the head... Don't hit the goalie then would be my answer. Whether accidental or not.
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Post by allingtonskates on Sept 6, 2019 12:26:48 GMT
Forget the ban connolly didnt get - let him and Deutsch go at it from the first face off and then its done. Neither of them could fight their way out of a paper bag so it could make for some light entertainment i don’t think Deutsch is the fighting type. Let the big guys taget him until they land a big hit. Not point taking stupid penalty’s trying to fight Connolly.
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