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Post by iginla on Aug 11, 2019 14:51:06 GMT
Surely that’s a risk every season and not unique to this season? If we went and assembled an “expensive” roster and failed, that risk would still be there. I still don’t buy that we’ve been robbed with a cheap roster. I actually think this roster is one of the more exciting ones we’ve had for a while regardless of cost because there’s a game plan identified with 2 or 3 hockey people with EIHL experience leading the way Obviously up to you how you see things. All about opinions. A lot of fans have been feeling mugged off for years and 4th seems to be the most common prediction for our league finish. It does seem rather contradictory that Panthers fans are saying we’ve got this and we’ve got that and thinking we will over achieve and do well,but then pretty much everybody is predicting a 4th place finish. Surely it’s one or the other,can’t really argue we’ve got a good team and then settle for 4th because we’re rebuilding. Sheffield and Belfast are both massively rebuilding too but everybody has those two down in their top 3. It doesn’t make sense.
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Post by Pies on Aug 11, 2019 15:44:28 GMT
Obviously up to you how you see things. All about opinions. A lot of fans have been feeling mugged off for years and 4th seems to be the most common prediction for our league finish. It does seem rather contradictory that Panthers fans are saying we’ve got this and we’ve got that and thinking we will over achieve and do well,but then pretty much everybody is predicting a 4th place finish. Surely it’s one or the other,can’t really argue we’ve got a good team and then settle for 4th because we’re rebuilding. Sheffield and Belfast are both massively rebuilding too but everybody has those two down in their top 3. It doesn’t make sense. I think it’s because people are basing predictions solely on CVs. Those teams have some great CVs on there....our players don’t. A lot of unknown quantities. But we’ve never seen alot of these players play and we’ve certainly never seen them together so there’s a lot of unknowns. Other than Cardiff, most teams have rebuilt. All CVs have a starting place - they all can’t be KHL/NHL stars. I’m certainly not settling for fourth and have a genuine belief this team has something about it. It’s almost a guy like instinct that a corner has been turned and whilst the team doesn’t have those massive reputations, they’re going to shock a lot of people. I could be wrong but that’s the fun of preseason - having no idea. People are predicting fourth right now, I’ve gone 2nd or third. I try not to predict us as champions because well it never works. If I’m wrong, happy to have people say I told you so BUT as I seem to be in the minority, I really do like the looks of our team.
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Post by Joe on Aug 11, 2019 16:51:24 GMT
Obviously up to you how you see things. All about opinions. A lot of fans have been feeling mugged off for years and 4th seems to be the most common prediction for our league finish. It does seem rather contradictory that Panthers fans are saying we’ve got this and we’ve got that and thinking we will over achieve and do well,but then pretty much everybody is predicting a 4th place finish. Surely it’s one or the other,can’t really argue we’ve got a good team and then settle for 4th because we’re rebuilding. Sheffield and Belfast are both massively rebuilding too but everybody has those two down in their top 3. It doesn’t make sense. you can have both because those predictions don’t include points totals. If we finish 4th but 5 points behind 1st place, does that mean we’ve not challenged? Does it mean this team is not very good?
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Post by iginla on Aug 11, 2019 19:11:32 GMT
It does seem rather contradictory that Panthers fans are saying we’ve got this and we’ve got that and thinking we will over achieve and do well,but then pretty much everybody is predicting a 4th place finish. Surely it’s one or the other,can’t really argue we’ve got a good team and then settle for 4th because we’re rebuilding. Sheffield and Belfast are both massively rebuilding too but everybody has those two down in their top 3. It doesn’t make sense. I think it’s because people are basing predictions solely on CVs. Those teams have some great CVs on there....our players don’t. A lot of unknown quantities. But we’ve never seen alot of these players play and we’ve certainly never seen them together so there’s a lot of unknowns. Other than Cardiff, most teams have rebuilt. All CVs have a starting place - they all can’t be KHL/NHL stars. I’m certainly not settling for fourth and have a genuine belief this team has something about it. It’s almost a guy like instinct that a corner has been turned and whilst the team doesn’t have those massive reputations, they’re going to shock a lot of people. I could be wrong but that’s the fun of preseason - having no idea. People are predicting fourth right now, I’ve gone 2nd or third. I try not to predict us as champions because well it never works. If I’m wrong, happy to have people say I told you so BUT as I seem to be in the minority, I really do like the looks of our team. I get your point. But whenever i talk or mention CV’s everybody tries to tell me CV’s mean nothing,guarantee nothing and I’m moaning again. Now though,everybody’s going ooooh Cardiff,Sheffield and Belfast are signing players with cracking CV’s and they’re going to be the top three. There’s doesn’t seem any consistency to people’s thoughts. 🤔
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Post by iginla on Aug 11, 2019 19:14:14 GMT
It does seem rather contradictory that Panthers fans are saying we’ve got this and we’ve got that and thinking we will over achieve and do well,but then pretty much everybody is predicting a 4th place finish. Surely it’s one or the other,can’t really argue we’ve got a good team and then settle for 4th because we’re rebuilding. Sheffield and Belfast are both massively rebuilding too but everybody has those two down in their top 3. It doesn’t make sense. you can have both because those predictions don’t include points totals. If we finish 4th but 5 points behind 1st place, does that mean we’ve not challenged? Does it mean this team is not very good? Fair point. But realistically I’d be surprised if anybody predicting a 4th placed Panthers is expecting to be only 5 points behind the champions.
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Post by Pies on Aug 11, 2019 19:26:00 GMT
I think it’s because people are basing predictions solely on CVs. Those teams have some great CVs on there....our players don’t. A lot of unknown quantities. But we’ve never seen alot of these players play and we’ve certainly never seen them together so there’s a lot of unknowns. Other than Cardiff, most teams have rebuilt. All CVs have a starting place - they all can’t be KHL/NHL stars. I’m certainly not settling for fourth and have a genuine belief this team has something about it. It’s almost a guy like instinct that a corner has been turned and whilst the team doesn’t have those massive reputations, they’re going to shock a lot of people. I could be wrong but that’s the fun of preseason - having no idea. People are predicting fourth right now, I’ve gone 2nd or third. I try not to predict us as champions because well it never works. If I’m wrong, happy to have people say I told you so BUT as I seem to be in the minority, I really do like the looks of our team. I get your point. But whenever i talk or mention CV’s everybody tries to tell me CV’s mean nothing,guarantee nothing and I’m moaning again. Now though,everybody’s going ooooh Cardiff,Sheffield and Belfast are signing players with cracking CV’s and they’re going to be the top three. There’s doesn’t seem any consistency to people’s thoughts. 🤔 The issue is a lot of people’s opinions change when other facts are presented to them that they may not consider at first thought. I suppose that’s what the spirit of this forum is. Passionate debate. I think we can all agree we’d all love the panthers to win this year and as much as anything shut a lot of other fan bases up.
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Post by Joe on Aug 11, 2019 21:00:07 GMT
you can have both because those predictions don’t include points totals. If we finish 4th but 5 points behind 1st place, does that mean we’ve not challenged? Does it mean this team is not very good? Fair point. But realistically I’d be surprised if anybody predicting a 4th placed Panthers is expecting to be only 5 points behind the champions. True but who would have predicted us finishing 3rd and being 22pts behind 1st and 2nd last season
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Post by Jord v4 on Sept 30, 2019 15:54:19 GMT
Possibly worth a bump given the dissapointment at the weekends showings & recent posts today.
The 4th place was/is the reality. Our budget is definitely lower than the known higher spending three. Anything better then 4th was/is going to be an over achievement.
So strap in & prepare for what it actually is... As for why it is what it is... Well, that is a better debate imo.
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Post by kievthegreat on Sept 30, 2019 16:11:25 GMT
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Post by spik on Sept 30, 2019 16:22:33 GMT
'Dare to enter' was our motto once. Thankfully that was dropped.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 16:23:31 GMT
Posting pics of all things Bermuda wont change things either ... I'm sure it's just something else for the front office to laugh at though
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Post by kievthegreat on Sept 30, 2019 16:25:27 GMT
Posting pics of all things Bermuda wont change things either ... I'm sure it's just something else for the front office to laugh at though Jesus, I thought I was making a profound point that would have the club recoiling in horror. How foolish I must look!
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Post by pantherlee on Sept 30, 2019 17:55:59 GMT
I keep seeing all the Bermuda references but must have missed the actual point of it. Can anyone enlighten me?
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Post by kievthegreat on Sept 30, 2019 19:32:29 GMT
I keep seeing all the Bermuda references but must have missed the actual point of it. Can anyone enlighten me? Long story short, a significant portion of the Panthers is owned by a Bermudan company, Permanent Mutual Limited.
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Post by bobness on Oct 2, 2019 11:13:39 GMT
I keep seeing all the Bermuda references but must have missed the actual point of it. Can anyone enlighten me? Long story short, a significant portion of the Panthers is owned by a Bermudan company, Permanent Mutual Limited. Slightly longer story, I think, is that.... PML own 50% of Sportscape Group, which in turn owns 83% of Aladdin Management, which owns the Panthers, essentially. NB is sole director of Sportscape and a director of Aladdin.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Oct 2, 2019 18:49:14 GMT
Long story very short we need a hockey minded owner who wants to push panthers to the potential!
Sadly this will remain a dream for the foreseeable future
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 2, 2019 20:03:06 GMT
Pertinent question - What is success to you as a Panthers fan?
Trophies, entertainment, a sustained league challenge....?
Good, you're human.
Now forget all that & decide what success is to the Panthers owners. That is all that really matters. While the club gets enough bums on seats to pay the bills & make the ownership a profit then there is no pressure for the our version of success at all.
Cynical, maybe. But reality. It's a money maker at the end of the day. My questions then would be how long can the club go on not competing on what appears a level field spend wise? How long will we the fans continue to pay our money to see this current on ice product?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 2, 2019 20:14:56 GMT
Long story very short we need a hockey minded owner who wants to push panthers to the potential! Sadly this will remain a dream for the foreseeable future The Panthers aren't an easy team to support. Thankfully others are.
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Post by texpef on Oct 2, 2019 21:34:10 GMT
Pertinent question - What is success to you as a Panthers fan? Trophies, entertainment, a sustained league challenge....? Good, you're human. Now forget all that & decide what success is to the Panthers owners. That is all that really matters. While the club gets enough bums on seats to pay the bills & make the ownership a profit then there is no pressure for the our version of success at all. Cynical, maybe. But reality. It's a money maker at the end of the day. My questions then would be how long can the club go on not competing on what appears a level field spend wise? How long will we the fans continue to pay our money to see this current on ice product? Thing is the owner would be ok with this approach but for the perfect storm of cardiff wanting to recapture the title & play in europe so spent accordingly, belfast clearly want to retain & again are playing in europe, sheffield with their demanding recently success starved fans have shown this season they are prepared to splash the cash, glasgow also attempting to win back full houses and several other smaller clubs such as guildford, coventry and fife all showing what a small budget looks like (this season no real difference with panthers) and also what can be done on it..... which all added up to me shows that panthers fans in particular are definitely being short changed as to what could be spent if success was prioritised at this very profitable nay lucrative club and what the quality of hockey could be achieved if the management had signed a team that the money generated warranted... So as we can only realistically wish for a 5th place team in what is a first placed money spinner i suspect this may be yet another season i am likely to miss most of the games post xmas... and quite alot pre xmas too...
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 2, 2019 21:46:15 GMT
Pertinent question - What is success to you as a Panthers fan? Trophies, entertainment, a sustained league challenge....? Good, you're human. Now forget all that & decide what success is to the Panthers owners. That is all that really matters. While the club gets enough bums on seats to pay the bills & make the ownership a profit then there is no pressure for the our version of success at all. Cynical, maybe. But reality. It's a money maker at the end of the day. My questions then would be how long can the club go on not competing on what appears a level field spend wise? How long will we the fans continue to pay our money to see this current on ice product? There's still 1500 seats for Saturday, that a lot of potential money not showing up for a traditional sellout fixture*. *admittedly the appalling cup format doesn't help.
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Post by jd on Oct 3, 2019 9:07:27 GMT
Not sure anyone can answer this - how much do you reckon Panthers are worth?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2019 9:35:14 GMT
Not sure anyone can answer this - how much do you reckon Panthers are worth? Not as much as some think
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 3, 2019 9:41:44 GMT
Not sure anyone can answer this - how much do you reckon Panthers are worth? Not as much as some think Assets wise? They aren't worth much at all. They have no significant tangible assets. However their value is based on being a profitable business, weighed up against the risk that british ice hockey is as stable as a drunk giraffe and the house if cards could come crashing down at any moment.
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Post by bobness on Oct 3, 2019 10:39:47 GMT
Not sure anyone can answer this - how much do you reckon Panthers are worth? Aladdin Management think the franchise is worth £500k, and has been since 2009.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 3, 2019 11:01:46 GMT
lol
I wonder if he'd sell up for that much...
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