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Post by Adam on Jul 16, 2019 10:50:30 GMT
So lines are already decided? I haven't read or heard this anywhere from the actual coach?? You're funny! It's ok Adam I haven't had any secret meetings with Doucet . This is merely WHAT I THINK the lines will be.. the clue is in the bold writing 😘 After all we are on a forum which is for opinions hey! Problem is you're shooting down everyone else's opinion who disagrees with you, when they know exactly the same as you. "Betteridge is 4th line", should read basically as you think he is 4th line? Not IS because he isn't anywhere yet. This happens every summer on here when we have 3 or 4 imports left to sign, people think it's the whole first line still to sign up and it's never been the case yet!
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Post by dill1015 on Jul 16, 2019 10:51:52 GMT
Rheult should be a 20 goal scorer if he stays healthy the whole year. For the 3rd line that's a good thing to have ... The problem is he wasnt signed as a 3rd liner. I feel we are using up one of our top earners on a dud. I hope im wrong but i have a horrible feeling we have one top end forward left to sign. In which case we're in trouble for my money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 11:10:23 GMT
It's ok Adam I haven't had any secret meetings with Doucet . This is merely WHAT I THINK the lines will be.. the clue is in the bold writing 😘 After all we are on a forum which is for opinions hey! Problem is you're shooting down everyone else's opinion who disagrees with you, when they know exactly the same as you. "Betteridge is 4th line", should read basically as you think he is 4th line? Not IS because he isn't anywhere yet. This happens every summer on here when we have 3 or 4 imports left to sign, people think it's the whole first line still to sign up and it's never been the case yet! Doucet even said in a interview when he was asked he still has the top 6 left to sign, he dismissed it and doesn't see any of his players as being a top line so to speak. But I think you could have a good guess who will be on the bottom 2 units
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Post by bobness on Jul 16, 2019 11:31:19 GMT
Thankyou, coach Pidge. I'd be very disappointed if Ollie was on line 4 (with Lacho) come game time. So would he, I'd expect. Wow you do have low expectations? If those 2 ain't on the 4th line then who will?. Check out Cardiff and sheffield anticipated 4th lines and see if Panthers match up? I wouldn't even put Lacho on the 5th line btw! I'd very much hope that after being one of the very few positives in last season for me, Ollie has earned a slot in the top 9. Devils presumably will have Duggan/Myers +1 (with 2 to sign?) Steelers Shudra/Brown +1, but with probably 2 fwds to sign? I'd see Panthers 4th line as Lacho/Kelsall/Rheault. Use Rheault on the PP, much like Panthers used Clarkey in the last couple of years. That said, guessing lines is pointless at this stage.
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Post by GuinnessMan on Jul 16, 2019 12:31:33 GMT
Rheult should be a 20 goal scorer if he stays healthy the whole year. For the 3rd line that's a good thing to have ... Here is the complete list of players who have had 20-goal seasons for the Panthers, in the past 5 seasons 2018-19 Guptill 34 2018-19 Pither 22 2017-18 Mokshantsev 21 2016-17 2015-16 Kolnik 28 2014-15 And in the four seasons prior to that, we had 19 players who had 20+ goal seasons. Somehow we went from a team who had 4 or 5 20+ goal scorers EVERY season, to a team who have a total of 4 players who manage that milestone, in 5 seasons. I think Rheault can produce more than he did - certainly in pre-season he was looking great until his injury. But Panthers somehow, cannot get star players to score at the rate you might expect at other clubs. Remember Josh Shalla? THREE league goals in half a season for us, and then 59 goals in less than 2 seasons when he returned to Indy Fuel. So it might be uncomfortably closer to the truth to say "Rheault should be a 20 goal scorer at any of the other EIHL clubs" Does this align to pretty much when we started running a regular 4th line, ... reducing ice time for the top players, and likely reducing wages from top 3 lines to fund the 4th line?
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Post by bobness on Jul 16, 2019 12:55:14 GMT
Here's the number on players who scored 12 or more those seasons.
2018-19 5 (and Rheault on 12 goal pace for half a season) 2017-18 6 2016-17 7 2015-16 8 2014-15 6
That doesn't tell you much?
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Post by jd on Jul 16, 2019 13:09:13 GMT
I personally would have been really angry if we signed him. Yup Evan McGrath was basically Jon Rheault in an orange jersey. 😫 Says the bloke who doesn't come to watch panthers. Rheault had some good chemistry with Pither at the start of the season and then was injured. Stay free of injuries and he should be a good contributor.
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Post by iginla on Jul 16, 2019 13:52:03 GMT
Yup Evan McGrath was basically Jon Rheault in an orange jersey. 😫 Says the bloke who doesn't come to watch panthers. Rheault had some good chemistry with Pither at the start of the season and then was injured. Stay free of injuries and he should be a good contributor. 17 points in 33 games is abysmal from the guy who CV wise was potentially Panthers no1 go to forward.
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Post by jd on Jul 16, 2019 14:22:36 GMT
Says the bloke who doesn't come to watch panthers. Rheault had some good chemistry with Pither at the start of the season and then was injured. Stay free of injuries and he should be a good contributor. 17 points in 33 games is abysmal from the guy who CV wise was potentially Panthers no1 go to forward. He was injured for most of the season (18th Sept injured) and then back to a team changing lines every game. Not surprising his points were poor. He needs a good preseason and to stay injury free.
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Post by iginla on Jul 16, 2019 19:51:53 GMT
17 points in 33 games is abysmal from the guy who CV wise was potentially Panthers no1 go to forward. He was injured for most of the season (18th Sept injured) and then back to a team changing lines every game. Not surprising his points were poor. He needs a good preseason and to stay injury free. Stop making excuses for him,he wasn’t injured for 33 games and every other player was in the same boat with the line changes. He underperformed badly,quality players don’t rely on others to score them points and make them look good.
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Post by Shaggy on Jul 16, 2019 20:23:50 GMT
He was injured for most of the season (18th Sept injured) and then back to a team changing lines every game. Not surprising his points were poor. He needs a good preseason and to stay injury free. Stop making excuses for him,he wasn’t injured for 33 games and every other player was in the same boat with the line changes. He underperformed badly,quality players don’t rely on others to score them points and make them look good. "Stop making excuses..."? Who died and put you in charge? Just looking at Rheault's stats offers very little insight... yes, he didn't rack up the numbers we expected or wanted - but why?? The injury undoubtedly played a part - but how much? We don't know. And what else? Damn near the entire team "underperformed" last season... were they all sub-par players in terms of skill and/or motivation? Or were other factors in play? Was it the semi-mythical 'management interference'? Was it Chernomaz just getting it all very, very wrong? Something else? The truth is... none of us truly know how & why it all went wrong. Anyone who claims otherwise is either a real insider or is frankly delusional. Assumptions are a totally inadequate substitute for facts. Possibly - hopefully - a different coaching setup, different lineman especially, maybe even a different team ethos... we could see a different Jon Rheault. I wouldn't rule it out... I wouldn't rule it IN either, you understand - we just don't know.
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Post by iginla on Jul 16, 2019 20:43:34 GMT
Stop making excuses for him,he wasn’t injured for 33 games and every other player was in the same boat with the line changes. He underperformed badly,quality players don’t rely on others to score them points and make them look good. "Stop making excuses..."? Who died and put you in charge? Just looking at Rheault's stats offers very little insight... yes, he didn't rack up the numbers we expected or wanted - but why?? The injury undoubtedly played a part - but how much? We don't know. And what else? Damn near the entire team "underperformed" last season... were they all sub-par players in terms of skill and/or motivation? Or were other factors in play? Was it the semi-mythical 'management interference'? Was it Chernomaz just getting it all very, very wrong? Something else? The truth is... none of us truly know how & why it all went wrong. Anyone who claims otherwise is either a real insider or is frankly delusional. Assumptions are a totally inadequate substitute for facts. Possibly - hopefully - a different coaching setup, different lineman especially, maybe even a different team ethos... we could see a different Jon Rheault. I wouldn't rule it out... I wouldn't rule it IN either, you understand - we just don't know. Ah ok Shaggy. Next time i see a player who stands out on a poor team I’ll think to myself nah it’s just my imagination because it’s his teammates making him look good. Mmmm i guess Adam Keefe thought that every time he watched Ben Lake last season ! 🙄
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Post by Shaggy on Jul 16, 2019 23:21:23 GMT
"Stop making excuses..."? Who died and put you in charge? Just looking at Rheault's stats offers very little insight... yes, he didn't rack up the numbers we expected or wanted - but why?? The injury undoubtedly played a part - but how much? We don't know. And what else? Damn near the entire team "underperformed" last season... were they all sub-par players in terms of skill and/or motivation? Or were other factors in play? Was it the semi-mythical 'management interference'? Was it Chernomaz just getting it all very, very wrong? Something else? The truth is... none of us truly know how & why it all went wrong. Anyone who claims otherwise is either a real insider or is frankly delusional. Assumptions are a totally inadequate substitute for facts. Possibly - hopefully - a different coaching setup, different lineman especially, maybe even a different team ethos... we could see a different Jon Rheault. I wouldn't rule it out... I wouldn't rule it IN either, you understand - we just don't know. Ah ok Shaggy. Next time i see a player who stands out on a poor team I’ll think to myself nah it’s just my imagination because it’s his teammates making him look good. Mmmm i guess Adam Keefe thought that every time he watched Ben Lake last season ! 🙄 <applause> Congratulations... a great attempt at deflection! <Iginla voice ON> "I know, let's slag off a player who didn't do as well as we wanted last year, without knowing (or caring) why... and to hide the fact that I don't know what really happened - and have just been called on it - I'm going to make some fatuous BS comment and 'double down' just like my hero, Donald Trump!". <Iginla voice OFF> You haven't got any more clue than I do exactly why things happen the way they did last year... actually, you probably have less of a clue, seeing as by your own admission you hardly saw much of the season. It's entirely possible that Jon Rheault is a total bust, that he's unmotivated or less skilled than touted, and that basically we've retained a millstone around our necks. It's also entirely possible that given a change of circumstances - no injury, a better/different coach, different linemates, a change in style for the team, and/or other things behind the scenes we'd have no clue about - he may turn out to be a lot better than last season and will be a positive asset to the team. Or somewhere along a sliding scale between the two. And I bet that nobody on this forum - not you, not me, not anyone - has any real knowledge on the subject. Just speculation - informed speculation from those of us who actually watched the team... uninformed speculation from those like yourself who didn't. Which would indicate that you're the last person on here entitled to tell anyone else to "stop making excuses".
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Post by iginla on Jul 17, 2019 0:01:20 GMT
Ah ok Shaggy. Next time i see a player who stands out on a poor team I’ll think to myself nah it’s just my imagination because it’s his teammates making him look good. Mmmm i guess Adam Keefe thought that every time he watched Ben Lake last season ! 🙄 <applause> Congratulations... a great attempt at deflection! <Iginla voice ON> "I know, let's slag off a player who didn't do as well as we wanted last year, without knowing (or caring) why... and to hide the fact that I don't know what really happened - and have just been called on it - I'm going to make some fatuous BS comment and 'double down' just like my hero, Donald Trump!". <Iginla voice OFF> You haven't got any more clue than I do exactly why things happen the way they did last year... actually, you probably have less of a clue, seeing as by your own admission you hardly saw much of the season. It's entirely possible that Jon Rheault is a total bust, that he's unmotivated or less skilled than touted, and that basically we've retained a millstone around our necks. It's also entirely possible that given a change of circumstances - no injury, a better/different coach, different linemates, a change in style for the team, and/or other things behind the scenes we'd have no clue about - he may turn out to be a lot better than last season and will be a positive asset to the team. Or somewhere along a sliding scale between the two. And I bet that nobody on this forum - not you, not me, not anyone - has any real knowledge on the subject. Just speculation - informed speculation from those of us who actually watched the team... uninformed speculation from those like yourself who didn't. Which would indicate that you're the last person on here entitled to tell anyone else to "stop making excuses". Haha crikey. On that note people,there’s no point saying anything unless it’s absolutely stone cold FACT because it’s just nonsense unless it it’s FACT. Opinions are not valid,own thoughts are nonsense,don’t guess at lines because you don’t know,don’t speculate on anything because it’s just a guess,don’t dream of unlikely signings because they may not happen,steer clear of talking budgets because nobody knows and whatever you do don’t you dare criticise a player because you just don’t know whether he was on the right line etc etc. Give over Shaggy,it’s a forum,people will speculate,they will guess and not everything will be FACT. If you want a forum where every word is FACT then everybody might as well log off now. 🙄
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Post by jd on Jul 17, 2019 20:12:43 GMT
He was injured for most of the season (18th Sept injured) and then back to a team changing lines every game. Not surprising his points were poor. He needs a good preseason and to stay injury free. Stop making excuses for him,he wasn’t injured for 33 games and every other player was in the same boat with the line changes. He underperformed badly,quality players don’t rely on others to score them points and make them look good. Not making excuses and not being funny Iginla, but you don’t come to games so how can you comment on him? How many of those games was he fully fit? If you’re playing with new guys on your line every few games that’s hard. You need chemistry and I’m not sure RS tactics were the best
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Post by iginla on Jul 17, 2019 20:35:42 GMT
Stop making excuses for him,he wasn’t injured for 33 games and every other player was in the same boat with the line changes. He underperformed badly,quality players don’t rely on others to score them points and make them look good. Not making excuses and not being funny Iginla, but you don’t come to games so how can you comment on him? How many of those games was he fully fit? If you’re playing with new guys on your line every few games that’s hard. You need chemistry and I’m not sure RS tactics were the best I watched 2 games at the NIC last year and i would guess about 15-20 webcasts,enough to judge when coupled with also reading and hearing lots of other people’s opinions. Now if this switching of lines thing is a valid excuse for a player not producing,how do you explain Guptill finishing as top scorer bearing in mind he was pushed and moved around the lines probably more so than anybody else ? In my opinion,because whilst he was lazy yes,he was also the most talented forward and the only one that stood out fairly regularly.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 17, 2019 21:50:44 GMT
<applause> Congratulations... a great attempt at deflection! <Iginla voice ON> "I know, let's slag off a player who didn't do as well as we wanted last year, without knowing (or caring) why... and to hide the fact that I don't know what really happened - and have just been called on it - I'm going to make some fatuous BS comment and 'double down' just like my hero, Donald Trump!". <Iginla voice OFF> You haven't got any more clue than I do exactly why things happen the way they did last year... actually, you probably have less of a clue, seeing as by your own admission you hardly saw much of the season. It's entirely possible that Jon Rheault is a total bust, that he's unmotivated or less skilled than touted, and that basically we've retained a millstone around our necks. It's also entirely possible that given a change of circumstances - no injury, a better/different coach, different linemates, a change in style for the team, and/or other things behind the scenes we'd have no clue about - he may turn out to be a lot better than last season and will be a positive asset to the team. Or somewhere along a sliding scale between the two. And I bet that nobody on this forum - not you, not me, not anyone - has any real knowledge on the subject. Just speculation - informed speculation from those of us who actually watched the team... uninformed speculation from those like yourself who didn't. Which would indicate that you're the last person on here entitled to tell anyone else to "stop making excuses". Haha crikey. On that note people,there’s no point saying anything unless it’s absolutely stone cold FACT because it’s just nonsense unless it it’s FACT. Opinions are not valid,own thoughts are nonsense,don’t guess at lines because you don’t know,don’t speculate on anything because it’s just a guess,don’t dream of unlikely signings because they may not happen,steer clear of talking budgets because nobody knows and whatever you do don’t you dare criticise a player because you just don’t know whether he was on the right line etc etc. Give over Shaggy,it’s a forum,people will speculate,they will guess and not everything will be FACT. If you want a forum where every word is FACT then everybody might as well log off now. 🙄 personally I was disappointed when it was confirmed he is returning. I hope he isn’t close to our top six.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 22:15:53 GMT
Haha crikey. On that note people,there’s no point saying anything unless it’s absolutely stone cold FACT because it’s just nonsense unless it it’s FACT. Opinions are not valid,own thoughts are nonsense,don’t guess at lines because you don’t know,don’t speculate on anything because it’s just a guess,don’t dream of unlikely signings because they may not happen,steer clear of talking budgets because nobody knows and whatever you do don’t you dare criticise a player because you just don’t know whether he was on the right line etc etc. Give over Shaggy,it’s a forum,people will speculate,they will guess and not everything will be FACT. If you want a forum where every word is FACT then everybody might as well log off now. 🙄 personally I was disappointed when it was confirmed he is returning. I hope he isn’t close to our top six. Agree. Has to be 3rd line
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2019 22:29:46 GMT
Not making excuses and not being funny Iginla, but you don’t come to games so how can you comment on him? How many of those games was he fully fit? If you’re playing with new guys on your line every few games that’s hard. You need chemistry and I’m not sure RS tactics were the best I watched 2 games at the NIC last year and i would guess about 15-20 webcasts,enough to judge when coupled with also reading and hearing lots of other people’s opinions. Now if this switching of lines thing is a valid excuse for a player not producing,how do you explain Guptill finishing as top scorer bearing in mind he was pushed and moved around the lines probably more so than anybody else ? In my opinion,because whilst he was lazy yes,he was also the most talented forward and the only one that stood out fairly regularly. You don't learn much from poor quality one camera webcast... even sometimes they dont keep up with play lol
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