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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jul 30, 2019 17:46:59 GMT
I might be labouring this question a bit, but I'm still really not clear if Panthers have a legal obligation to take Farmer this coming season, IF the player decides he wants to play for Panthers? Or can the club now say "NO" to him, if they decide he no longer fits into their plans? As I see it, If Farms is unable to find a club in Europe and returns to the UK he is still contracted to Nottingham and cant play for anyone else in the EIHL unless we cancel his contract, he buys himself out (unlikely), or we negotiate a 'transfer' deal with another team. I have no problem with him returning to us if he can't find a club overseas, and just guessing, but think he would have nothing to gain by not trying his best.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 30, 2019 18:04:09 GMT
Simms is doing a periscope at 8 about the farmer situation and more I think. He also said if farmer returns to the league he won’t be going to a new club until the end of the season.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jul 30, 2019 18:08:59 GMT
Farmer can't go where he wants to go because uncle Neil has said "no"
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Post by grrm on Jul 30, 2019 18:43:32 GMT
Farmer can't go where he wants to go because uncle Neil has said "no" Maybe a certain DEL2 club? If that is the case then the situation is not looking too rosy. Player wants to leave Panthers whilst under contract, Panthers feel miffed, Players choice of new club blocked by Panthers, Player now feels miffed. A real nightmare situation, as it would appear both parties have lost faith with the other.
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Post by pantherlee on Jul 30, 2019 18:47:51 GMT
Farmer can't go where he wants to go because uncle Neil has said "no" Maybe a certain DEL2 club? If that is the case then the situation is not looking too rosy. Player wants to leave Panthers whilst under contract, Panthers feel miffed, Players choice of new club blocked by Panthers, Player now feels miffed. A real nightmare situation, as it would appear both parties have lost faith with the other. Why is it? You’re only guessing. The only information you have to go on is one tweet from a month ago
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Post by grrm on Jul 30, 2019 19:21:31 GMT
Maybe a certain DEL2 club? If that is the case then the situation is not looking too rosy. Player wants to leave Panthers whilst under contract, Panthers feel miffed, Players choice of new club blocked by Panthers, Player now feels miffed. A real nightmare situation, as it would appear both parties have lost faith with the other. Why is it? You’re only guessing. The only information you have to go on is one tweet from a month ago So you don't believe the situation I outlined is a bit of a nightmare? Whether it's a true representation of the "actual" situation is a separate issue and one I suspect neither you or I know for sure. I was simply commenting on a senario that had been put forward by another poster.
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Post by Bagheera on Jul 30, 2019 19:29:20 GMT
Simms suggests Slovakia, not done deal, just what he has heard.
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Post by Yotes on Jul 30, 2019 19:47:31 GMT
Farmer can't go where he wants to go because uncle Neil has said "no" Maybe a certain DEL2 club? If that is the case then the situation is not looking too rosy. Player wants to leave Panthers whilst under contract, Panthers feel miffed, Players choice of new club blocked by Panthers, Player now feels miffed. A real nightmare situation, as it would appear both parties have lost faith with the other. Unless it's another EIHL club, or Jord is wrong about the contract, I don't think he could stop him going to Germany.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 30, 2019 20:38:01 GMT
Maybe a certain DEL2 club? If that is the case then the situation is not looking too rosy. Player wants to leave Panthers whilst under contract, Panthers feel miffed, Players choice of new club blocked by Panthers, Player now feels miffed. A real nightmare situation, as it would appear both parties have lost faith with the other. Unless it's another EIHL club, or Jord is wrong about the contract, I don't think he could stop him going to Germany. Panthers can't stop him going to Germany or anywhere else outside of the EIHL. No matter if Corey is coaching the non EIHL team or Mickey Mouse. I'll repeat to make it slightly more obvious... & this is a Ben Davies definitely not signing with Panthers type guarantee. Farmer is only tied down to a EIHL contract with Panthers for 2019/20. He can go anywhere else outside the EIHL he likes. The EIHL contract has a certain buy out for this season at a very hefty price.
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Post by iginla on Jul 30, 2019 21:16:52 GMT
Unless it's another EIHL club, or Jord is wrong about the contract, I don't think he could stop him going to Germany. Panthers can't stop him going to Germany or anywhere else outside of the EIHL. No matter if Corey is coaching the non EIHL team or Mickey Mouse. I'll repeat to make it slightly more obvious... & this is a Ben Davies definitely not signing with Panthers type guarantee. Farmer is only tied down to a EIHL contract with Panthers for 2019/20. He can go anywhere else outside the EIHL he likes. The EIHL contract has a certain buy out for this season at a very hefty price. So he didn’t actually break any Panthers contract then,he is free to leave if he wanted to ?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jul 30, 2019 21:21:58 GMT
Panthers can't stop him going to Germany or anywhere else outside of the EIHL. No matter if Corey is coaching the non EIHL team or Mickey Mouse. I'll repeat to make it slightly more obvious... & this is a Ben Davies definitely not signing with Panthers type guarantee. Farmer is only tied down to a EIHL contract with Panthers for 2019/20. He can go anywhere else outside the EIHL he likes. The EIHL contract has a certain buy out for this season at a very hefty price. So he didn’t actually break any Panthers contract then,he is free to leave if he wanted to ? Unless it's where he wanted to go
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 30, 2019 21:46:12 GMT
Panthers can't stop him going to Germany or anywhere else outside of the EIHL. No matter if Corey is coaching the non EIHL team or Mickey Mouse. I'll repeat to make it slightly more obvious... & this is a Ben Davies definitely not signing with Panthers type guarantee. Farmer is only tied down to a EIHL contract with Panthers for 2019/20. He can go anywhere else outside the EIHL he likes. The EIHL contract has a certain buy out for this season at a very hefty price. So he didn’t actually break any Panthers contract then,he is free to leave if he wanted to ? Well yes.... but so is any player in theory with two weeks notice from either side. The only hold Panthers have is the EIHL contract. I imagine they fully expected to see Farmer for this coming season & that he wouldn't be taking a shot somewhere other than the EIHL.
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Post by iginla on Jul 30, 2019 22:17:39 GMT
So he didn’t actually break any Panthers contract then,he is free to leave if he wanted to ? Well yes.... but so is any player in theory with two weeks notice from either side. The only hold Panthers have is the EIHL contract. I imagine they fully expected to see Farmer for this coming season & that he wouldn't be taking a shot somewhere other than the EIHL. Yes that’s how i understood it too. Just asked again to make it clear that if he leaves he hasn’t actually broken his Panthers contract. 👍
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 30, 2019 23:00:17 GMT
He's pulled out of a contract... But I wouldn't say broken, no. Any player can give two weeks notice at any time as can any team to a player.
He's declined his second year... So call that what you like really.
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Post by iginla on Jul 30, 2019 23:27:35 GMT
He's pulled out of a contract... But I wouldn't say broken, no. Any player can give two weeks notice at any time as can any team to a player. He's declined his second year... So call that what you like really. He’s simply excercised an option on his contract which was open to him........HE HASN’T BROKEN HIS CONTRACT. There it’s clear now. 🤣
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 31, 2019 7:10:09 GMT
He's pulled out of a contract... But I wouldn't say broken, no. Any player can give two weeks notice at any time as can any team to a player. He's declined his second year... So call that what you like really. He’s simply excercised an option on his contract which was open to him........HE HASN’T BROKEN HIS CONTRACT. There it’s clear now. 🤣 Is the wording that important to you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 7:20:50 GMT
Was it a 2 year contract OR 1 year contract with the option of a 2nd year?
Huge difference folks
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 7:25:27 GMT
And Iginla, Steelers have never had a dig at players wanting to leave eh!
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 31, 2019 7:44:55 GMT
Was it a 2 year contract OR 1 year contract with the option of a 2nd year? Huge difference folks It's a 2yr contract where both parties agree to the 2nd year if all are happy.
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Post by iginla on Jul 31, 2019 8:00:21 GMT
Was it a 2 year contract OR 1 year contract with the option of a 2nd year? Huge difference folks It's a 2yr contract where both parties agree to the 2nd year if all are happy.
There you go Pidge....Farmer has only done exactly what Panthers “could” have done if they’d so wished.
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Post by iginla on Jul 31, 2019 8:01:09 GMT
He’s simply excercised an option on his contract which was open to him........HE HASN’T BROKEN HIS CONTRACT. There it’s clear now. 🤣 Is the wording that important to you? Yes. I like things to be right.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 31, 2019 8:30:04 GMT
Is the wording that important to you? Yes. I like things to be right. Where was it ever wrong?
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Post by Joe on Jul 31, 2019 10:04:00 GMT
It's a 2yr contract where both parties agree to the 2nd year if all are happy.
There you go Pidge....Farmer has only done exactly what Panthers “could” have done if they’d so wished. doesn’t that then contradict your argument that Panthers are annoyed with Farmer and they had a dig because of it?
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Post by bobness on Jul 31, 2019 11:07:47 GMT
Was it a 2 year contract OR 1 year contract with the option of a 2nd year? Huge difference folks It's a 2yr contract where both parties agree to the 2nd year if all are happy.
My reading of it is as follows. At least this is what I believe/would expect there to be. The contract was/is a 2 year one. The second year is an option for both player and club. If both agree to continue, the relationship continues into the second year. There may, or may not, be some kind of salary clause in there. If the club exercises the option to terminate the contract (even if Farmer wants to stay) Farmer becomes a free agent. If Farmer exercises the option to terminate, he is free to test the market, as it were, and free to go to any (I assume) non-EIHL (not necessarily European) club. Panthers can do little, if anything, about this. If no other club wants him at a deal he wants (I assume by a certain time) then Panthers continue to hold his player rights, and I assume there will be something in the contract about what happens in this situation. Either he continues to be a Panthers player and plays, or if he wants to go to another EIHL club, there will be some kind of buy out clause. Farmer has not "broken" his contract in any way, shape or form, that we know of yet.
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Post by iginla on Jul 31, 2019 11:14:01 GMT
It's a 2yr contract where both parties agree to the 2nd year if all are happy.
My reading of it is as follows. At least this is what I believe/would expect there to be. The contract was/is a 2 year one. The second year is an option for both player and club. If both agree to continue, the relationship continues into the second year. There may, or may not, be some kind of salary clause in there. If the club exercises the option to terminate the contract (even if Farmer wants to stay) Farmer becomes a free agent. If Farmer exercises the option to terminate, he is free to test the market, as it were, and free to go to any (I assume) non-EIHL (not necessarily European) club. Panthers can do little, if anything, about this. If no other club wants him at a deal he wants (I assume by a certain time) then Panthers continue to hold his player rights, and I assume there will be something in the contract about what happens in this situation. Either he continues to be a Panthers player and plays, or if he wants to go to another EIHL club, there will be some kind of buy out clause. Farmer has not "broken" his contract in any way, shape or form, that we know of yet. Spot on Either party could legally break the contract,therefore if one side chooses to take that option then the other side should just accept it with grace and move on. If Panthers had chosen to release Farmer I very much doubt Farmer would have got arsey and released a press release saying Panthers had broken his contract !
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