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Post by kievthegreat on May 24, 2019 13:38:20 GMT
Round 2 to be hosted in Nottingham then. I'll definitely be heading along.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 13:49:14 GMT
That's a great coup for Nottingham and IHUK to host such a big event. I ll defo be going to that
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Post by Shaggy on May 24, 2019 14:08:57 GMT
Now here's a thing.
The GB team get fantastic support from the GB Barmy Army everywhere they go, and we know that it gives them a boost... hell, at the last Olympic qualifying tournament in Cortina, Italy (lovely place) the team were singing along with us just before going out on the ice! And the GB fans have made one hell of an impression wherever we've gone, by being loud and proud all game, every game.
But the NIC, Motorpoint Arena, whatever you call it - doesn't allow that kind of thing. No standing up, no drums, no massed singing - GBSC have been prevented from all of that (and more) by arena security at previous games.
That cannot be allowed to be the case next February.
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Post by DonClaneone on May 24, 2019 14:33:06 GMT
What is the reasoning behind such a policy?
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Post by Robbie Nud on May 24, 2019 14:43:53 GMT
Is that arena policy or 'hirer's'? Can IHUK say, 'we want atmosphere' including all the above?
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Post by Shaggy on May 24, 2019 14:47:20 GMT
What is the reasoning behind such a policy? Reasoning? You mean - actual thought? Is that arena policy or 'hirer's'? Can IHUK say, 'we want atmosphere' including all the above? Don't know (is the answer to both). I hope that the answer to the second is "yes".
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Post by kievthegreat on May 24, 2019 14:50:49 GMT
What is the reasoning behind such a policy? Reasoning? You mean - actual thought? Is that arena policy or 'hirer's'? Can IHUK say, 'we want atmosphere' including all the above? Don't know (is the answer to both). I hope that the answer to the second is "yes". I dare say they aren't as draconian when they have the Darts at the Arena.
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Post by spik on May 24, 2019 15:15:09 GMT
The 13th WC placed team of this year will hopefully get a good following in Nottingham then. Olympics and us on the BBC , are we dreaming again?
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Post by wgray on May 24, 2019 15:34:28 GMT
Reasoning? You mean - actual thought? Don't know (is the answer to both). I hope that the answer to the second is "yes". I dare say they aren't as draconian when they have the Darts at the Arena. I’ve always thought that! The rules regarding drums are void as well considering Paws has introduced one. An intense atmosphere goes a long way to helping the team that’s being suported. The rules need to be reversed going forward for both GB games and Panthers games.
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Post by John Casey on May 24, 2019 21:58:41 GMT
I dare say they aren't as draconian when they have the Darts at the Arena. I’ve always thought that! The rules regarding drums are void as well considering Paws has introduced one. An intense atmosphere goes a long way to helping the team that’s being suported. The rules need to be reversed going forward for both GB games and Panthers games. TBH, it's one thing allowing the mascot have a drum (Who uses it once a game), to allowing fans to use one whenever they want (It does get irritating)
I'm assuming all 3 GB games will be in the evening.
Also, I'm wondering what the pricing structure is going to be, I think we will be looking at 75 pound early bird. I think it's going to cost a lot to host and The Olympic name attached to it will make it more prestigious.
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Post by Shaggy on May 24, 2019 23:01:23 GMT
I’ve always thought that! The rules regarding drums are void as well considering Paws has introduced one. An intense atmosphere goes a long way to helping the team that’s being suported. The rules need to be reversed going forward for both GB games and Panthers games. TBH, it's one thing allowing the mascot have a drum (Who uses it once a game), to allowing fans to use one whenever they want (It does get irritating) FWIW, the GB drummers stay together with the core of the noisy GB fans, so that they can coordinate things a bit better... so the sensible thing to do could be to give GBSC a nice big chunk of the place (say blocks 14-16... yes, there could very well be that many of us!) with away blocks to either side (so that they suffer from our noise ) and then leave blocks 1-10 for general sale. Or similar. That way we could generate a large amount of noise, and nobody who doesn't want to be near us has to be. That's the usual thing... the hosting team in the evening. Pass. The IIHF rules mean that the hosting country have to provide everything for the visiting teams, officials, media types etc... but there is usually some financial support from IIHF. If they've got any sense, Nottingham City Council will provide some support as well... the returns could be quite helpful. I don't know what the IIH rules are (if any) on limits of ticket prices... on this one, we're just going to have to wait and see. Hopefully IHUK/the NIC have learned from the pitiful attendance for the Torpedo game, which had to be at least partly down to the stupidly high prices.
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Post by John Casey on May 25, 2019 9:38:20 GMT
TBH, it's one thing allowing the mascot have a drum (Who uses it once a game), to allowing fans to use one whenever they want (It does get irritating) FWIW, the GB drummers stay together with the core of the noisy GB fans, so that they can coordinate things a bit better... so the sensible thing to do could be to give GBSC a nice big chunk of the place (say blocks 14-16... yes, there could very well be that many of us!) with away blocks to either side (so that they suffer from our noise ) and then leave blocks 1-10 for general sale. Or similar. That way we could generate a large amount of noise, and nobody who doesn't want to be near us has to be. That's the usual thing... the hosting team in the evening. Pass. The IIHF rules mean that the hosting country have to provide everything for the visiting teams, officials, media types etc... but there is usually some financial support from IIHF. If they've got any sense, Nottingham City Council will provide some support as well... the returns could be quite helpful. I don't know what the IIH rules are (if any) on limits of ticket prices... on this one, we're just going to have to wait and see. Hopefully IHUK/the NIC have learned from the pitiful attendance for the Torpedo game, which had to be at least partly down to the stupidly high prices. Ideally this is where you do something in The Market Square, The Olympic name means something. I'm guessing Freesports are covering so hopefully they've learnt their lesson regarding pricing. Definitely hope that we be shocked at how low prices are instead of that's too expensive.
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Post by spik on May 25, 2019 18:02:53 GMT
This year's statistics for players have been added to the All time I have and this is the new updated top 10's Players from this recent squad marked in yellow
Appearances Ashley Tait 110 David Longstaff 101 Jonathan Weaver 96 Colin Shields 95 Jonathan Phillips 95 David Clarke 92 Matt Myers 92 Mark Richardson 84 Ian Cooper 80 David Phillips 79 ...............
up coming appearances Dowd 65 O'connor 59 Lachowicz 56
Goals Gerry Davey 43 Colin Shields 42 Tony Hand 40 Kevin Conway 33 David Longstaff 32 Ian Cooper 30 David Clarke 29 Paul Adey 28 Ashley Tait 25 Robert Dowd 24 .................. Phillips 18 Myers 18 O'Connor 17
Assists Tony Hand 82 Jonathan Weaver 48 David Longstaff 45 David Clarke 38 Colin Shields 37 Ashley Tait 36 Kevin Conway 33 Ian Cooper 30 Ben O'Connor 29 Stephen Cooper 27 .................... Dowd 22 Myers 19 Phillips 18
Points Tony Hand 122 Colin Shields 79 David Longstaff 77 Jonathan Weaver 69 David Clarke 67 Kevin Conway 66 Ashley Tait 61 Ian Cooper 60 Gerry Davey 52 Paul Adey 52 .................. O,Connor 46 Dowd 46 Myers 37
Pims Ashley Tait 168 Darren Hurley 138 Ian Cooper 128 Matt Myers 126 Mike Bishop 109 Nicky Chinn 109 Jonathan Phillips 92 Tim Cranston 91 David Longstaff 88 Shannon Hope 88 ..................... O.Connor 58 Dowd 42 Farmer 22
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Post by Shaggy on May 26, 2019 20:42:48 GMT
So... GB (just) survived The Group Of Death, which produced both finalists. Losing 0-5 to the eventual gold medallists Finland? - I can live with that...
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Post by DonClaneone on May 26, 2019 21:08:11 GMT
I'd disagree, Sweden, Czech Republic & Switzerland are a pretty strong bunch.
Let's not forget, apart from the French game we lost all the rest. Belarus are in our group as well and they are stronger than France.
Not being negative but it's just my observation
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Post by Shaggy on May 26, 2019 22:22:26 GMT
I'd disagree, Sweden, Czech Republic & Switzerland are a pretty strong bunch. Didn't say they weren't... but so were those we faced in GB's group. Before the tournament even started, people were wincing at us facing Canada & USA, with Finland & Slovakia being touted as dangerous, and Germany as being one of the stronger 'middling' teams. Are Belarus stronger? They're ranked below France... Belarus may be in our group next year... we don't know for sure yet - the exact group compositions will be confirmed on Tuesday <link>And it's not absolutely certain to work it out from the rankings we see... in Slovakia, we should have had Norway in our group, but Slovakia swapped with them. I for one have given up trying to predict what will happen with IIHF stuff... their procedures are convoluted at best, and there always seem to be loopholes, special circumstances and just downright oddities. On the good side... GB have gone up 2 ranking places to 20th. That's the highest we've been in... I really don't know!
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Post by Shaggy on May 26, 2019 22:40:32 GMT
Just stumbled across this preview article, written before the tournament started... and if nothing else, it proves that you can never, ever make assumptions about how things are going to turn out. The Hockey News gets it wrong. Badly wrong.Yes, GB's eventual finish in 13th instead of the projected 16th was more than a bit unexpected... but for me, the classic one is the massive underestimation of Finland, placing them 7th instead of 1st. And, of course, this:- Oops.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 7:30:20 GMT
Seen rumoured group listing for next year that puts in Zurich in a group with Canada, Switzerland, Sweden, Czech, Slovakia, Denmark and Belarus.
With the Belarus situation this would make it almost impossible to stay up but a very real chance of getting a win at least.
All to be confirmed officially on Tuesday.
Zurich is going to be expensive!!!
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Post by DonClaneone on May 27, 2019 11:07:26 GMT
You guys think we can beat Belarus?
Rankings mean nothing as we proved it this year.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 11:58:16 GMT
You guys think we can beat Belarus? Rankings mean nothing as we proved it this year. They were only promoted with 3 wins so not exactly torn through 1A. Not saying we will be the favourites to win that game but you'd think it'd more favourable than our game against France.
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Post by spik on May 27, 2019 18:24:52 GMT
Just stumbled across this preview article, written before the tournament started... and if nothing else, it proves that you can never, ever make assumptions about how things are going to turn out. The Hockey News gets it wrong. Badly wrong.Yes, GB's eventual finish in 13th instead of the projected 16th was more than a bit unexpected... but for me, the classic one is the massive underestimation of Finland, placing them 7th instead of 1st. And, of course, this:- Oops. Know we weren't 'torn' apart by Italy as I was there. We lost two games last year to Lithuania and went on to win GOLD at the following Worlds. We lost against Italy and Slovakia and went on to secure a place in 2020 WC in Switzerland. Very dicey to make predictions. So when WC 2020 comes along we will see what happens then.
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Post by DonClaneone on May 28, 2019 9:52:42 GMT
Belarus can't be relegated anyway as they and Latvia are hosting the 2021 World Championship so the result against Belarus won't really matter
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Post by kievthegreat on May 28, 2019 9:58:01 GMT
Need to finish above either Canada, Sweden, Czech Republic, Germany, Slovakia or Denmark next year to avoid relegation. Looks a far taller order than this year.
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Post by nottinghamsenator on May 28, 2019 10:27:54 GMT
From this year's rules:
"The 2020 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship will consist of 16 teams including the team of the organizing member national association, thus Switzerland cannot be among the two relegated teams. If Switzerland were last in its group and thus among the overall bottom ranked two teams, the overall ranked 14th-placed team would be relegated instead."
So based on these rules, (say France were hosting next year's Worlds) this year we would have survived as we finished 13th overall. It's by no means impossible.
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Post by kievthegreat on May 28, 2019 10:52:03 GMT
From this year's rules: "The 2020 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship will consist of 16 teams including the team of the organizing member national association, thus Switzerland cannot be among the two relegated teams. If Switzerland were last in its group and thus among the overall bottom ranked two teams, the overall ranked 14th-placed team would be relegated instead." So based on these rules, (say France were hosting next year's Worlds) this year we would have survived as we finished 13th overall. It's by no means impossible. True, but we'd potentially have to exceed that and finish 12th next year as there's 2 hosts in 2021 (Latvia and Belarus). Its not impossible, but considering that in the other group one of Italy and Kazakhstan are already guaranteed at least 1 win and we realistically need to exceed both these teams to stay up, we probably need to get 2 results ir hope Italy and Kazakhstan end up in OT/SO.
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