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Post by wgray on Apr 26, 2019 21:00:38 GMT
I’ve decided to wait to post my thoughts on Gui’s announcement as I was unsure what to make of it to begin with, but as the day has gone on, the comments and opinions I’ve seen, the more optimistic I’m feeling.
First of all, it is good that the club are trying something outside of the box in an attempt to progress, I feel this is a genuine attempt to improve and it is good to see.
Although it has not been 100% confirmed yet, I am disappointed that there are intentions to retain “familiar faces” to work with Gui. He should be allowed to recruit people who can help him to achieve his targets, an example could be to bring on board a scout, or a goalie coach. Have people within his team who can offer something that gives us an advantage. We will have to see how this develops.
I was a bit confused as to why the club have selected Gui to undertake this role and there’s a few reasons for this. He’s never struck me as a player who would go into a role off the ice, he always seems quite reserved and quiet. He’s not a big name with experience in the biggest leagues in the world. He’s also new to this line of work and has no experience in any of the roles that he’s been brought in to do. So why him?
Having read a variety of opinions on social media, especially from people involved with Cardiff, it seems as though they expect Gui to have the right temperament and attitude for the job at hand. This gives me confidence. He also has a lot of playing experience in this league and he has had a lot of personal success on the ice, so he will know what is needed from the players he recruits. It will be interesting to see who Gui recruits as the coach too, whether it’s one with experience or a player-coach.
Overall, I am pleased with the direction we are heading but I am still holding on to see the overall picture off the ice before I make a decision on a season ticket, but it is a good start.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 21:41:51 GMT
Why is he retiring at 32? Injuries? PPG last season, better than any of our rabble except Guptill. Perhaps he's going to recruit the Coach and the team and when he's done all that strap the skates on & be our leading scorer too! I don’t think so. I think at the max he will be injury cover, I think he wants to get into the off ice side of hockey. A lot of 'thinks' there! My comment was slightly tongue in cheek.
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Post by wasteoftime on Apr 27, 2019 6:47:52 GMT
The D.O.H will no doubt talk with the new coach about player signings before anyone is signed. I would think that both parties would have to be in agreement, it is happening more now in all team sports.
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Post by iginla on Apr 27, 2019 8:41:16 GMT
The D.O.H will no doubt talk with the new coach about player signings before anyone is signed. I would think that both parties would have to be in agreement, it is happening more now in all team sports. You would think so....but that’s not what it’s saying on the Panthers tin. It suggests that Doucet recruits end of story. What if he wants a guy and the coach doesn’t ?
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Post by Joe on Apr 27, 2019 9:14:11 GMT
The D.O.H will no doubt talk with the new coach about player signings before anyone is signed. I would think that both parties would have to be in agreement, it is happening more now in all team sports. You would think so....but that’s not what it’s saying on the Panthers tin. It suggests that Doucet recruits end of story. What if he wants a guy and the coach doesn’t ? well Doucet claims he’s gonna build a team that is quick and score goals, so he is going to sign a coach that wants to play the same way in order to avoid that kind of situation
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Post by wasteoftime on Apr 27, 2019 9:14:23 GMT
That will happen of course, so they should then discuss the player and come to an amicable conclusion. If they cant do that then I'm afraid it's doomed.
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Post by Joe on Apr 27, 2019 9:14:37 GMT
The D.O.H will no doubt talk with the new coach about player signings before anyone is signed. I would think that both parties would have to be in agreement, it is happening more now in all team sports. You would think so....but that’s not what it’s saying on the Panthers tin. It suggests that Doucet recruits end of story. What if he wants a guy and the coach doesn’t ? well Doucet claims he’s gonna build a team that is quick and score goals, so he is going to sign a coach that wants to play the same way in order to avoid that kind of situation
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Post by iginla on Apr 27, 2019 10:45:28 GMT
That will happen of course, so they should then discuss the player and come to an amicable conclusion. If they cant do that then I'm afraid it's doomed. I know they should,but if one wants a player and the other doesn’t then who wins.I just think one man should recruit then if it goes wrong he’s the one who pays the price. That should be the coach in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 11:02:32 GMT
Tbh in the NHL as the GMs build the rosters their jobs are on the line as much If not more than the coaches which is only right.. if this Panthers team is a poor one then Gui should take the blame not the coach.
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 27, 2019 11:39:03 GMT
The D.O.H will no doubt talk with the new coach about player signings before anyone is signed. I would think that both parties would have to be in agreement, it is happening more now in all team sports. You would think so....but that’s not what it’s saying on the Panthers tin. It suggests that Doucet recruits end of story. What if he wants a guy and the coach doesn’t ? For a man of your clear hockey intelligence this is an incredibly ostentatious question.
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Post by iginla on Apr 27, 2019 11:56:25 GMT
You would think so....but that’s not what it’s saying on the Panthers tin. It suggests that Doucet recruits end of story. What if he wants a guy and the coach doesn’t ? For a man of your clear hockey intelligence this is an incredibly ostentatious question. A classic case Jord would be Guptill,he’s split the fan base in half I’d say. New coach sees 40 goals and some highlight reel moves but Doucet says “ah but he’s lazy we don’t want him back”. What do you do ?
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Post by wgray on Apr 27, 2019 12:20:07 GMT
For a man of your clear hockey intelligence this is an incredibly ostentatious question. A classic case Jord would be Guptill,he’s split the fan base in half I’d say. New coach sees 40 goals and some highlight reel moves but Doucet says “ah but he’s lazy we don’t want him back”. What do you do ? They discuss the pros and cons between them, what they need player x, y and z to bring to the team and Doucet makes the final decision having listened to the coach’s opinion. Doucet and the new coach will have to work together if they are to be successful, it’s as simple as that.
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Post by allingtonskates on Apr 27, 2019 12:31:10 GMT
For a man of your clear hockey intelligence this is an incredibly ostentatious question. A classic case Jord would be Guptill,he’s split the fan base in half I’d say. New coach sees 40 goals and some highlight reel moves but Doucet says “ah but he’s lazy we don’t want him back”. What do you do ? unless we sign a couple of quality goal scorers id be disappointed if we let go of a 40 goal scorer
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 27, 2019 13:09:24 GMT
For a man of your clear hockey intelligence this is an incredibly ostentatious question. A classic case Jord would be Guptill,he’s split the fan base in half I’d say. New coach sees 40 goals and some highlight reel moves but Doucet says “ah but he’s lazy we don’t want him back”. What do you do ? It's the DOH's call. Always. You know that already. Go find a "non lazy" 40 goal scorer for our level.
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Post by iginla on Apr 27, 2019 13:40:24 GMT
A classic case Jord would be Guptill,he’s split the fan base in half I’d say. New coach sees 40 goals and some highlight reel moves but Doucet says “ah but he’s lazy we don’t want him back”. What do you do ? It's the DOH's call. Always. You know that already. Go find a "non lazy" 40 goal scorer for our level. I agree. One man should have the final say. I’m just drawing analogies of the problems you can get when things are done by committee.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 27, 2019 14:03:19 GMT
The setup we will have is very common across hockey, why would it work any worse for us than anyone else?
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 27, 2019 14:05:08 GMT
It's the DOH's call. Always. You know that already. Go find a "non lazy" 40 goal scorer for our level. I agree. One man should have the final say. I’m just drawing analogies of the problems you can get when things are done by committee. There's a pretty clear change of command, or at least there should be. Although I acknowledge your reservations based on past Panthers experience. DOH signs the players & the coach for those players. So it makes sense to get your preferred style of coach first, who ideally shares your hockey philosophy & then sign the players which fit that philosophy. The DOH has a free ride in essence, the coach is a scapegoat if necessary down the line. That's the way I view it anyway. Change of command - Owner General Manager (Off Ice product) level with DOH (On ice product). Coach Ass. Coaches Players Players wags Cleaners Cleaners wags A large gap..... Dan Green. That's the ideal, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 14:39:13 GMT
The setup we will have is very common across hockey, why would it work any worse for us than anyone else? That what I'm scratching my head at. This setup is the norm! It's the same when kelman/lord sign players
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Post by iginla on Apr 27, 2019 15:24:18 GMT
The setup we will have is very common across hockey, why would it work any worse for us than anyone else? That what I'm scratching my head at. This setup is the norm! It's the same when kelman/lord sign players There is a large difference you are forgetting. Lord/Kelman//King Coach/Doucet/Moran/Black That is a stark difference,I’ll say no more !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 16:15:12 GMT
That what I'm scratching my head at. This setup is the norm! It's the same when kelman/lord sign players There is a large difference you are forgetting. Lord/Kelman//King Coach/Doucet/Moran/Black That is a stark difference,I’ll say no more ! Panthers don't have a HC yet In referring to the DOH/Coach set up in both orgs. Dont bring owners into it. The point is suppose kelman and lord disagree over players to sign?
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Post by Shaggy on Apr 27, 2019 16:21:12 GMT
That what I'm scratching my head at. This setup is the norm! It's the same when kelman/lord sign players There is a large difference you are forgetting. Lord/Kelman//King Coach/Doucet/Moran/Black That is a stark difference For a start, we don't even know if Gary Moran is going to be sticking around... and if he is, whether his role will be reduced much. It's pointless making comparisons like that anyway... every setup and combination of people is different. As if...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 16:26:26 GMT
You won't win this argument iggy
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 27, 2019 17:20:50 GMT
That what I'm scratching my head at. This setup is the norm! It's the same when kelman/lord sign players There is a large difference you are forgetting. Lord/Kelman//King Coach/Doucet/Moran/Black That is a stark difference,I’ll say no more ! Moran's involvement in the on ice product in the past year was verging on non existent. The DOH role makes it completely non existent, at least it should do anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 17:47:30 GMT
I agree. One man should have the final say. I’m just drawing analogies of the problems you can get when things are done by committee. There's a pretty clear change of command, or at least there should be. Although I acknowledge your reservations based on past Panthers experience. DOH signs the players & the coach for those players. So it makes sense to get your preferred style of coach first, who ideally shares your hockey philosophy & then sign the players which fit that philosophy. The DOH has a free ride in essence, the coach is a scapegoat if necessary down the line. That's the way I view it anyway. Change of command - Owner General Manager (Off Ice product) level with DOH (On ice product). Coach Ass. Coaches Players Players wags Cleaners Cleaners wags A large gap..... Dan Green. That's the ideal, anyway. Jeez, is Green that high up the food chain??
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Post by PantherB on Apr 27, 2019 23:12:29 GMT
Random question for anyone.. Would anyone take Mokshantsev back?
He tweeted his support for GB this evening so it got me looking at how he's done since he left us, he hasn't had a brilliant season in France but I remember how skilful he was and how good he was for us throughout the CHL. I looked through his twitter and he doesn't seem interested in anything other than Panthers. No reference to his time in france I could see and nothing much about Russia, just tweets about the UK/Panthers and likes which involve Panthers players or fans etc. So I get the impression he misses us quite a lot.
Would anyone take him back?
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