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Post by nightwish on Apr 16, 2019 6:14:45 GMT
They can keep who they like - I had to give up My season ticket about 3 years ago as my job changed and it was a blessing is disguise - I don’t feel obliged now to turn out week in week out to watch this shower that calls itself a hockey team.
I actually find that I pick games against opposition such as Belfast or Cardiff and watching their good players - who appear to want to win games - and it doesn’t bother me if we get a tonking - the opposition more often than not want to win the game more.
As for the ‘ Biggest Hockey Rilvary in Europe’ - I find washing my hair on those nights is more satisfying than watching the tosh served up on the ice.
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Post by bobness on Apr 16, 2019 7:32:43 GMT
We are a failing club who have consistently got worse since winning the league in 2013. Nothing that happens at the club gives me reason to believe anything will change. Al the pieces that are consistent with that failure remain in place. 2013-14 57 points out of a possible 104 = 0.548. 4th in league. QF loss. 2014-15 65 points out of a possible 104 = 0.625. 4th in league. QF loss. 2015-16 62 points out of a possible 104 = 0.596. 5th in league. Playoff winners. 2016-17 58 points out of a possible 104 = 0.558. 4th in league. QF loss. 2017-18 71 points out of a possible 112 = 0.634. 4th in league. SF loss. 2018-19 70 points out of a possible 120 = 0.583. 3rd in league. SF loss. Not objectively "consistently worse" at all. Remarkably consistent, actually. This year was Panthers best league finish since winning the league, in point of fact. And no, I don't think it's "right" either, but... Owner and GM remain, yes, but plenty of people said "it" was Neilson. "It" clearly wasn't. What "it" is, I'm not sure, but don't play the "getting worse" line. It may feel like it, but it's not actually true.
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Post by texpef on Apr 16, 2019 10:22:21 GMT
Not really improving though is it... 3rd place in what is a really poor league apart from the two front runners is no achievement and certainly not something to brag about especially considering one of the normal frontrunners in Sheffield were even worse than panthers (i.e. 3rd spot). Also it must be noted that there was wafer thin difference between coming 3rd and coming 6th consistently finishing 4th in what really should be a 2 or at max 3 horse race is consistently very poor and clearly underachieving year on year with very little consequences especially in attendances. Apart from releasing CN AT THE END OF WHAT WAS YET ANOTHER POOR YEAR MIDWAY THROUGH THE SEASON very little has changed. Players have very rarely been released ESPECIALLY the british ones who imho generally look like they are coasting, management hasn't changed and apart from CN coaching staff has not changed either...
I am failing to see who is taking responsible for being so far behind Cardiff and Belfast we were out of it even earlier than xmas this season and imho there doesn't appear be any positive steps from the club to accept where we are as a club and to address this consistent failing...
Unless huge changes are seen we are so far behind Cardiff and Belfast as a club it looks like yet again post xmas i'll be saving my money again
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Post by ant on Apr 16, 2019 10:43:47 GMT
Agreed. I generally stop going after Boxing Day each year but the ‘rivalry’ has faded so much I didn’t even go to that this year. The Sheffield games are embarrassing now. They are really poor but still often beat us because they care more. Not winning the league every other year is a disgrace bearing in mind the club’s size.This club could dominate every year with its resources but would rather make money. The slam was down to Ling, let’s face it. We accidentally signed as has been like we always do but he turned out to be one of the best players to grace the EIHL. Thing is most of the happy clappers don’t go away or to the play off weekend so the club get away with it. Prepare for a summer of spin from your deck chairs people. And while we are at it ‘qualifying’ for ‘Granny’s best silver serving tray’ is a total waste of time and takes the focus off the league.
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Post by iginla on Apr 16, 2019 10:49:08 GMT
Not really improving though is it... 3rd place in what is a really poor league apart from the two front runners is no achievement and certainly not something to brag about especially considering one of the normal frontrunners in Sheffield were even worse than panthers (i.e. 3rd spot). Also it must be noted that there was wafer thin difference between coming 3rd and coming 6th consistently finishing 4th in what really should be a 2 or at max 3 horse race is consistently very poor and clearly underachieving year on year with very little consequences especially in attendances. Apart from releasing CN AT THE END OF WHAT WAS YET ANOTHER POOR YEAR MIDWAY THROUGH THE SEASON very little has changed. Players have very rarely been released ESPECIALLY the british ones who imho generally look like they are coasting, management hasn't changed and apart from CN coaching staff has not changed either... I am failing to see who is taking responsible for being so far behind Cardiff and Belfast we were out of it even earlier than xmas this season and imho there doesn't appear be any positive steps from the club to accept where we are as a club and to address this consistent failing... Unless huge changes are seen we are so far behind Cardiff and Belfast as a club it looks like yet again post xmas i'll be saving my money again It’s very very hard not to agree with or argue against Tex’s post. In a 4 horse race anybody who thinks coming last pretty much every year is good quite frankly needs to get a grip and heighten their aspirations. 🙄
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Post by texpef on Apr 16, 2019 11:18:58 GMT
one other point of fact to note this is the only time in history that both Sheffield and Nottingham have failed to win something for the second year running...
This is the two biggest supported clubs in the country with at least one of them with a fanbase that talks with their feet, so I am pretty sure it wont happen again in Sheffield but is this likely to change any direction of the club in Nottingham.... my initial thoughts........ unlikely....
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Post by iginla on Apr 16, 2019 12:30:31 GMT
one other point of fact to note this is the only time in history that both Sheffield and Nottingham have failed to win something for the second year running... This is the two biggest supported clubs in the country with at least one of them with a fanbase that talks with their feet, so I am pretty sure it wont happen again in Sheffield but is this likely to change any direction of the club in Nottingham.... my initial thoughts........ unlikely.... It’s because Smith has followed Blacks lead and the Steelers have become a mirror image of Panthers. The Steelers will do something about it though whereas Panthers will just make token gestures. Oh how I’d love to see the Panthers fans walk away.
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Post by dill1015 on Apr 16, 2019 13:05:44 GMT
We are a failing club who have consistently got worse since winning the league in 2013. Nothing that happens at the club gives me reason to believe anything will change. Al the pieces that are consistent with that failure remain in place. 2013-14 57 points out of a possible 104 = 0.548. 4th in league. QF loss. 2014-15 65 points out of a possible 104 = 0.625. 4th in league. QF loss. 2015-16 62 points out of a possible 104 = 0.596. 5th in league. Playoff winners. 2016-17 58 points out of a possible 104 = 0.558. 4th in league. QF loss. 2017-18 71 points out of a possible 112 = 0.634. 4th in league. SF loss. 2018-19 70 points out of a possible 120 = 0.583. 3rd in league. SF loss. Not objectively "consistently worse" at all. Remarkably consistent, actually. This year was Panthers best league finish since winning the league, in point of fact. And no, I don't think it's "right" either, but... Owner and GM remain, yes, but plenty of people said "it" was Neilson. "It" clearly wasn't. What "it" is, I'm not sure, but don't play the "getting worse" line. It may feel like it, but it's not actually true. Its not just been the results. The hockey has become dull or even painful to watch at times. The last 3 seasons for me have been far less enjoyable to watch.
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Post by oldman on Apr 16, 2019 13:14:31 GMT
one other point of fact to note this is the only time in history that both Sheffield and Nottingham have failed to win something for the second year running... This is the two biggest supported clubs in the country with at least one of them with a fanbase that talks with their feet, so I am pretty sure it wont happen again in Sheffield but is this likely to change any direction of the club in Nottingham.... my initial thoughts........ unlikely.... It’s because Smith has followed Blacks lead and the Steelers have become a mirror image of Panthers. The Steelers will do something about it though whereas Panthers will just make token gestures. Oh how I’d love to see the Panthers fans walk away. The problem though is only some probably a very small amount of the panther fans would walk away and if they do their seats would be taken straight away by others, GM knows this, if you take this place about lets say a dozen having a moan, if you take on the social media as well how many reply to people moaning with i dont care i just enjoy the hockey no matter the result, they are the GM's favourite supporters bums on seats and no accountability for them being there or the need to change things to stop these fans from walking away. So much as i and you would like to see a radical change in the mindset within the franchise, that isnt going to happen is it?
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Post by bobness on Apr 16, 2019 13:35:05 GMT
Not really improving though is it... 3rd place in what is a really poor league apart from the two front runners is no achievement and certainly not something to brag about especially considering one of the normal frontrunners in Sheffield were even worse than panthers (i.e. 3rd spot). Also it must be noted that there was wafer thin difference between coming 3rd and coming 6th consistently finishing 4th in what really should be a 2 or at max 3 horse race is consistently very poor and clearly underachieving year on year with very little consequences especially in attendances. Apart from releasing CN AT THE END OF WHAT WAS YET ANOTHER POOR YEAR MIDWAY THROUGH THE SEASON very little has changed. Players have very rarely been released ESPECIALLY the british ones who imho generally look like they are coasting, management hasn't changed and apart from CN coaching staff has not changed either... I am failing to see who is taking responsible for being so far behind Cardiff and Belfast we were out of it even earlier than xmas this season and imho there doesn't appear be any positive steps from the club to accept where we are as a club and to address this consistent failing... Unless huge changes are seen we are so far behind Cardiff and Belfast as a club it looks like yet again post xmas i'll be saving my money again It’s very very hard not to agree with or argue against Tex’s post. In a 4 horse race anybody who thinks coming last pretty much every year is good quite frankly needs to get a grip and heighten their aspirations. 🙄 It's not hard to disagree, or argue against. It's not a poor league, just very competitive? As illustrated by the wafer thin-ness of 3rd to 6th? No-one's bragging about finishing 4th though. 4 players were released this season (Doty, Biggs, Tvrdon and "Lee" VanKleef) so that's not been the problem this year. Arguably not enough released, but that's another story. The quality of players is an issue for me. Too many has beens, on their way down, or never wases. I can't agree the Brits in general are "coasting" though. OOAA. Panthers were a long way from out of it at Christmas. Unable to string a run of good results together that would have put them properly in contention, yes, but "out of it"? Not at all. 13 points out of 14 between games 20-26, but then 10 from 20 27-36. Inconsistent... Strachan's record was 21/38 points, 0.553. To be fair to him, slightly better than Chernomaz's. Yes, underachievement is a word that springs to mind, though, we can agree 100% on that one. This will be a quiet place next year with all those who say they're giving up.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 16, 2019 13:45:30 GMT
It’s very very hard not to agree with or argue against Tex’s post. In a 4 horse race anybody who thinks coming last pretty much every year is good quite frankly needs to get a grip and heighten their aspirations. 🙄 It's not hard to disagree, or argue against. It's not a poor league, just very competitive? As illustrated by the wafer thin-ness of 3rd to 6th? No-one's bragging about finishing 4th though. 4 players were released this season (Doty, Biggs, Tvrdon and "Lee" VanKleef) so that's not been the problem this year. Arguably not enough released, but that's another story. The quality of players is an issue for me. Too many has beens, on their way down, or never wases. I can't agree the Brits in general are "coasting" though. OOAA. Panthers were a long way from out of it at Christmas. Unable to string a run of good results together that would have put them properly in contention, yes, but "out of it"? Not at all. 13 points out of 14 between games 20-26, but then 10 from 20 27-36. Inconsistent... Strachan's record was 21/38 points, 0.553. To be fair to him, slightly better than Chernomaz's. Yes, underachievement is a word that springs to mind, though, we can agree 100% on that one. This will be a quiet place next year with all those who say they're giving up. You would have to be a masochist to sit through another like the last one to be fair.
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Post by Mark Mac on Apr 16, 2019 14:52:39 GMT
Unless there is a major change, which I don't think there will be, I doubt my attendance next season will increase. I only went to 2 or 3 games this season, compared to pretty much every home and a couple of away games a few seasons ago. I don't mind us losing games, provided I see effort and commitment from the players. I don't mind us making mistakes. It is sports - that is what happens. But I do mind the same mistakes or the same just blatant arrogance/laziness year on year. My own self-dignity stops me from being that crap in my job, so I really struggle to put money into the pockets of people who think that attitude is acceptable day-to-day.
Should they keep players or get rid of them? I am finding it difficult to give a damn the way this club is.
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Post by bobness on Apr 16, 2019 15:53:20 GMT
It's not hard to disagree, or argue against. It's not a poor league, just very competitive? As illustrated by the wafer thin-ness of 3rd to 6th? No-one's bragging about finishing 4th though. 4 players were released this season (Doty, Biggs, Tvrdon and "Lee" VanKleef) so that's not been the problem this year. Arguably not enough released, but that's another story. The quality of players is an issue for me. Too many has beens, on their way down, or never wases. I can't agree the Brits in general are "coasting" though. OOAA. Panthers were a long way from out of it at Christmas. Unable to string a run of good results together that would have put them properly in contention, yes, but "out of it"? Not at all. 13 points out of 14 between games 20-26, but then 10 from 20 27-36. Inconsistent... Strachan's record was 21/38 points, 0.553. To be fair to him, slightly better than Chernomaz's. Yes, underachievement is a word that springs to mind, though, we can agree 100% on that one. This will be a quiet place next year with all those who say they're giving up. You would have to be a masochist to sit through another like the last one to be fair. You, Sir, are not wrong. Rarely have I plumbed the depths I did this season. The 9-0 on aggregate vs Steelers feeling the Christmas before last was eclipsed in a couple of games.
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Post by bobness on Apr 16, 2019 16:07:23 GMT
Here's an interesting one. At the end of every game, how many points did the team score in the previous 5 games? Obviously max is 10, min is zero. It shows a decent start (13 out of 18 points first 9 games), a blip in the teens (4 straight regulation losses on the road games 10-14), a strong 20s (16 out of 20 points in games 20-29 and at least a point in ALL of them (5 wins on the trot, games 22-26)), then they can't string a set of results together until the last 10 games (12 of 14 points got games 52-58). I'd love to see Devils and Giants version of this. Attachments:
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Post by Mark on Apr 16, 2019 17:46:29 GMT
We are a failing club who have consistently got worse since winning the league in 2013. Nothing that happens at the club gives me reason to believe anything will change. Al the pieces that are consistent with that failure remain in place. 2013-14 57 points out of a possible 104 = 0.548. 4th in league. QF loss. 2014-15 65 points out of a possible 104 = 0.625. 4th in league. QF loss. 2015-16 62 points out of a possible 104 = 0.596. 5th in league. Playoff winners. 2016-17 58 points out of a possible 104 = 0.558. 4th in league. QF loss. 2017-18 71 points out of a possible 112 = 0.634. 4th in league. SF loss. 2018-19 70 points out of a possible 120 = 0.583. 3rd in league. SF loss. Not objectively "consistently worse" at all. Remarkably consistent, actually. This year was Panthers best league finish since winning the league, in point of fact. And no, I don't think it's "right" either, but... Owner and GM remain, yes, but plenty of people said "it" was Neilson. "It" clearly wasn't. What "it" is, I'm not sure, but don't play the "getting worse" line. It may feel like it, but it's not actually true. Quite frankly I couldn’t be arsed with all detail. Bottom line, we are crap, and have been for six seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 18:16:34 GMT
I'd like to know why Panthers never release the list of players they are not retaining!
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Post by iginla on Apr 16, 2019 18:34:42 GMT
I'd like to know why Panthers never release the list of players they are not retaining! They’ve said they will in time but wanted the relevant players to be able to tell their agents and families first. Haha what a load of bolllocks ! 🤣🤣
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Post by bobness on Apr 16, 2019 18:39:37 GMT
At the risk of posting something interesting... Here's Devils chart. Note large amounts of consistency. Attachments:
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Post by meadow on Apr 16, 2019 18:45:24 GMT
I'd like to know why Panthers never release the list of players they are not retaining! They sort of gave a reason for this on the release about the Tetlow re-signing, cut and pasted: "Negotiations over the return of some continue whilst others have been told that as it stands they’re not in the frame for a place on next year’s roster. Panthers never say never and it’s only fair that players who’ve been told they may not be back next season are given a little time to break the news to family and agents themselves so we will not be ‘naming names’ just yet."It's almost like someone from the org had seen it mentioned by a few of us on here
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Post by oldman on Apr 17, 2019 19:37:48 GMT
well being a frustrated optimist i sorted my season ticket out for next season today
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 18, 2019 7:19:40 GMT
well being a frustrated optimist i sorted my season ticket out for next season today It won’t be long until Christmas again 😊
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Post by bobness on Apr 18, 2019 13:41:38 GMT
Early January should be a Panthers' fan's favourite time of year. It's the furthest away the year gets from Christmas and the realisation that Panthers are pants again.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 18, 2019 15:37:04 GMT
The real question should be apart from Farmer, Perlini and Ollie who would Cardiff or Belfast swap one-for-one for any of the Panthers roster?
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Post by bobness on Apr 18, 2019 15:50:08 GMT
The real question should be apart from Farmer, Perlini and Ollie who would Cardiff or Belfast swap one-for-one for any of the Panthers roster? Not many if last season is much to go buy. I'd expect Hughes to be attracting a fair bit of interest from here and possibly elsewhere.
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Post by wgray on Apr 18, 2019 16:16:33 GMT
The real question should be apart from Farmer, Perlini and Ollie who would Cardiff or Belfast swap one-for-one for any of the Panthers roster? Not many if last season is much to go buy. I'd expect Hughes to be attracting a fair bit of interest from here and possibly elsewhere. Hughes was a big miss for us at the weekend and, interestingly, Hurtubise was not on the ice for any of the nine goals conceded. (According the EIHL game centre) I think there could be some truth to your stats. Hughes is terrific defenceman, who I hope we resign, and Hurtubise is a brilliant two-way centre, works his backside off and I would be happy if we resigned him as 3rd line centre.
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