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Post by iginla on Mar 12, 2019 11:21:58 GMT
And when he was at Panthers with arguably the biggest budget and seemingly every conceivable advantage over anybody else in the EIHL and he kept finishing 4th or 5th.... What excuse are we going to make for 90% of all those years. I suppose we could always blame those other damn teams for winning and other results going against us i guess,even if we were in first place in mid December ! 🙄 Wow my mistake! I didn’t realize you were so au fait with the panthers budget! I must speak to you in future before responding! Crikey you’ll be trying to tell me next he only had a small budget every year at Panthers !
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Post by goon37 on Mar 12, 2019 11:47:55 GMT
Awards are pointless as they don't really reward the best or other achievements, take for example in the 2010/11 season. Danny Stewart got Coach of The Year, and the only reason he got it was because the Vipers went bust. Bruce Richardson would have been more deserving after getting Braehead to 5th in their 1st season in the league but instead they gave it to Stewart out of sympathy which IMO was pathetic. Danny Stewart got it that year for taking one of the worst teams ever to ice in the EIHL to a cup semi final - winning the first leg against Corey Neilson's panthers (although the second leg was not quite so successful 16-0? 17-0? can't remember) and were only eliminated from playoff contention on the final weekend. They won games with just 12 players, relied on NIHL Brits to fill the roster on other occasions. They couldn't just splash out on NHL 1st round picks like some teams could. Or replace injured players. But you knew all that, No coach in Britain that season could have done more with that team than Danny. It was no sympathy vote. He deserved it.
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Post by iginla on Mar 12, 2019 12:22:17 GMT
Awards are pointless as they don't really reward the best or other achievements, take for example in the 2010/11 season. Danny Stewart got Coach of The Year, and the only reason he got it was because the Vipers went bust. Bruce Richardson would have been more deserving after getting Braehead to 5th in their 1st season in the league but instead they gave it to Stewart out of sympathy which IMO was pathetic. There’s a much better example of daftness than that one though. Season 2012/13 Corey Neilson won the league,challenge cup and play off Grand Slam with Nottingham Panthers and yet DIDN’T win coach of the year. Richard Hartman of Edinburgh Capitals did though for finishing 6th. That’s got to be a really,really ridiculous decision ! 🙄
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Post by DonClaneone on Mar 12, 2019 12:33:48 GMT
Awards are pointless as they don't really reward the best or other achievements, take for example in the 2010/11 season. Danny Stewart got Coach of The Year, and the only reason he got it was because the Vipers went bust. Bruce Richardson would have been more deserving after getting Braehead to 5th in their 1st season in the league but instead they gave it to Stewart out of sympathy which IMO was pathetic. Danny Stewart got it that year for taking one of the worst teams ever to ice in the EIHL to a cup semi final - winning the first leg against Corey Neilson's panthers (although the second leg was not quite so successful 16-0? 17-0? can't remember) and were only eliminated from playoff contention on the final weekend. They won games with just 12 players, relied on NIHL Brits to fill the roster on other occasions. They couldn't just splash out on NHL 1st round picks like some teams could. Or replace injured players. But you knew all that, No coach in Britain that season could have done more with that team than Danny. It was no sympathy vote. He deserved it. 15-0, 3-0 for 18-0 across the 2 legs, I wasn't the only fan questioning it. Stewart got it on a sympathy vote and not for getting hammered in a Cup semi. Richardson was robbed.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 12, 2019 13:09:57 GMT
There’s a much better example of daftness than that one though. Season 2012/13 Corey Neilson won the league,challenge cup and play off Grand Slam with Nottingham Panthers and yet DIDN’T win coach of the year. Richard Hartman of Edinburgh Capitals did though for finishing 6th. That’s got to be a really,really ridiculous decision ! 🙄 Was a really good year for Edinburgh, it's not that ridiculous. But nice to see you upset on Corey's behalf
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Post by iginla on Mar 12, 2019 13:22:02 GMT
There’s a much better example of daftness than that one though. Season 2012/13 Corey Neilson won the league,challenge cup and play off Grand Slam with Nottingham Panthers and yet DIDN’T win coach of the year. Richard Hartman of Edinburgh Capitals did though for finishing 6th. That’s got to be a really,really ridiculous decision ! 🙄 Was a really good year for Edinburgh, it's not that ridiculous. But nice to see you upset on Corey's behalf Well you have to be fair where credit is due,Corey should have been coach of the year in 2012/13 no question. Just shows how silly the award can be though. Perhaps there should be two awards,a proper one recognising actual success and another one for best sympathy vote. 🤨
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Post by nottinghamsenator on Mar 12, 2019 16:10:40 GMT
Didn’t Corey win the offical EIHL coach of the year in 2013, but not the journalist one? IHJUK award, one for EIHL and one for the EPIHL (RIP)
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Post by spik on Mar 12, 2019 17:01:13 GMT
Awards are pointless as they don't really reward the best or other achievements, take for example in the 2010/11 season. Danny Stewart got Coach of The Year, and the only reason he got it was because the Vipers went bust. Bruce Richardson would have been more deserving after getting Braehead to 5th in their 1st season in the league but instead they gave it to Stewart out of sympathy which IMO was pathetic. Danny Stewart got it that year for taking one of the worst teams ever to ice in the EIHL to a cup semi final - winning the first leg against Corey Neilson's panthers (although the second leg was not quite so successful 16-0? 17-0? can't remember) and were only eliminated from playoff contention on the final weekend. They won games with just 12 players, relied on NIHL Brits to fill the roster on other occasions. They couldn't just splash out on NHL 1st round picks like some teams could. Or replace injured players. But you knew all that, No coach in Britain that season could have done more with that team than Danny. It was no sympathy vote. He deserved it. 3-4 @ Newcastle and 15-0 win at home for Panthers
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Post by spik on Mar 12, 2019 17:04:38 GMT
Was a really good year for Edinburgh, it's not that ridiculous. But nice to see you upset on Corey's behalf Well you have to be fair where credit is due,Corey should have been coach of the year in 2012/13 no question. Just shows how silly the award can be though. Perhaps there should be two awards,a proper one recognising actual success and another one for best sympathy vote. 🤨 There was ONE voted by the hockey writers then Elite came along an hi-jacked the affair bringing in their own version, so we did have two. Then the Ice Hockey writers association went awol.
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Post by spik on Mar 12, 2019 17:10:38 GMT
Didn’t Corey win the offical EIHL coach of the year in 2013, but not the journalist one? IHJUK award, one for EIHL and one for the EPIHL (RIP) Ice Hockey Journalists... 2012 Doug Christienson…Belfast Giants 2013 Richard Hartmann…Edinburgh 2014 Paul Adey – Belfast Elite... 2012 Doug Christiansen - Belfast 2013 Corey Neilson 2014 Paul Adey – Belfast
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Post by shelly on Mar 13, 2019 10:29:50 GMT
Wow my mistake! I didn’t realize you were so au fait with the panthers budget! I must speak to you in future before responding! Crikey you’ll be trying to tell me next he only had a small budget every year at Panthers ! Mmmm although that’s not what I said is it? 🤔
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Post by iginla on Mar 13, 2019 10:51:59 GMT
Crikey you’ll be trying to tell me next he only had a small budget every year at Panthers ! Mmmm although that’s not what I said is it? 🤔 I’m not sure what you said,you didn’t really say anything did you. But you did dodge my question about what was the excuse when he had the budget and big expectations in Nottingham and kept blowing it ? If you’re going to claim that he over achieved this year in DEL2 because he was only a low budget club,then it’s fair to ask what reason or excuse you see for his very poor league finishes when he did have a good budget at Panthers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 11:16:07 GMT
Mmmm although that’s not what I said is it? 🤔 I’m not sure what you said,you didn’t really say anything did you. But you did dodge my question about what was the excuse when he had the budget and big expectations in Nottingham and kept blowing it ? If you’re going to claim that he over achieved this year in DEL2 because he was only a low budget club,then it’s fair to ask what reason or excuse you see for his very poor league finishes when he did have a good budget at Panthers. Boom!
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Post by bobness on Mar 13, 2019 15:55:50 GMT
Mmmm although that’s not what I said is it? 🤔 I’m not sure what you said,you didn’t really say anything did you. But you did dodge my question about what was the excuse when he had the budget and big expectations in Nottingham and kept blowing it ? If you’re going to claim that he over achieved this year in DEL2 because he was only a low budget club,then it’s fair to ask what reason or excuse you see for his very poor league finishes when he did have a good budget at Panthers. Duh. As we all know, it was the ownership/GM/holiday club/retirement home attitude/quiz nights. Left to his own devices at a club without Black/GM/near constant sponsor activity with the players, he's a great coach.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 16:26:33 GMT
I’m not sure what you said,you didn’t really say anything did you. But you did dodge my question about what was the excuse when he had the budget and big expectations in Nottingham and kept blowing it ? If you’re going to claim that he over achieved this year in DEL2 because he was only a low budget club,then it’s fair to ask what reason or excuse you see for his very poor league finishes when he did have a good budget at Panthers. Duh. As we all know, it was the ownership/GM/holiday club/retirement home attitude/quiz nights. Left to his own devices at a club without Black/GM/near constant sponsor activity with the players, he's a great coach. In that case if the above things were a burden on Corey why did he stay 10 years? He must have been comfortable/happy?
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Post by bobness on Mar 13, 2019 17:11:14 GMT
Duh. As we all know, it was the ownership/GM/holiday club/retirement home attitude/quiz nights. Left to his own devices at a club without Black/GM/near constant sponsor activity with the players, he's a great coach. In that case if the above things were a burden on Corey why did he stay 10 years? He must have been comfortable/happy? No idea. Ask him. And I was being a tad sarcastic, shame on me. Those are the things that always seem to get the blame.
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 15, 2019 16:18:24 GMT
An award for mid table mediocracy.
Very un-German is that.
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 15, 2019 17:10:42 GMT
An award for mid table mediocracy. Very un-German is that. However if he got the most points versus the size of his budget, is that not peak efficiency? A German award if ever there was one!
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 15, 2019 18:30:13 GMT
An award for mid table mediocracy. Very un-German is that. However if he got the most points versus the size of his budget, is that not peak efficiency? A German award if ever there was one! Very true! Was the budget that bad then?
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Post by iginla on Mar 15, 2019 19:04:00 GMT
However if he got the most points versus the size of his budget, is that not peak efficiency? A German award if ever there was one! Very true! Was the budget that bad then? We don’t know Jord. Funny how claimed big budgets are ignored or dismissed but little un’s are gospel. 😉
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 15, 2019 22:48:23 GMT
Very true! Was the budget that bad then? We don’t know Jord. Funny how claimed big budgets are ignored or dismissed but little un’s are gospel. 😉 I'm just here for a joke, but by all accounts it wasn't the biggest budget.
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Post by iginla on Mar 15, 2019 23:28:39 GMT
It may not have been the biggest budget over in DEL2. But when he had a big budget and all the advantages in Nottingham he did naff all in the league for nine years and yet some people made all sorts of excuses for him. Yet now when he supposedly has a poor budget and finishes in a similar position again people just want to look at budgets.
It works both ways not just one !
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Post by Caesar on Mar 16, 2019 10:28:19 GMT
Lausitzer lost the first game of their playoff campaign on Friday night in Overtime. Lost in the 47th minute of OT!!!!!
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 16, 2019 12:16:24 GMT
It may not have been the biggest budget over in DEL2. But when he had a big budget and all the advantages in Nottingham he did naff all in the league for nine years and yet some people made all sorts of excuses for him. Yet now when he supposedly has a poor budget and finishes in a similar position again people just want to look at budgets. It works both ways not just one ! One league title in nice years says more than enough. Always has, always will. It's indefensible from the whole organization though, not entirely on Neilson at all. But we already know this.
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Post by texpef on Mar 17, 2019 8:44:51 GMT
It may not have been the biggest budget over in DEL2. But when he had a big budget and all the advantages in Nottingham he did naff all in the league for nine years and yet some people made all sorts of excuses for him. Yet now when he supposedly has a poor budget and finishes in a similar position again people just want to look at budgets. It works both ways not just one ! One league title in nice years says more than enough. Always has, always will. It's indefensible from the whole organization though, not entirely on Neilson at all. But we already know this. It is indefensible when you consider Nottingham's advantages over say Cardiff for example regards resources, finance (both sponsorship and fan numbers) and other more intangibles such as being centrally located so less travel etc and yet who is likely to bet against Cardiff making it three in a row. This smacks of priorites (something that should be evident in actions rather than physical proof) with panthers appearing to prioritise making as much money as possible for as little effort whereas it would seem Cardiff prioritise winning on the ice... Now rationally a club needs to be successful off the ice to be successful on it but surely the raison d'etre of a professional hockey club should be to win hockey games and hence trophies which in my opinion does not feel like it is the driving force and company statement in Nottingham... As for indefensible I believe the club don't even bother trying, now what's that phrase.... good seats still available (wasn't that a misquoted line from slapshot?
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