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Post by loupowell52 on Feb 27, 2019 8:05:51 GMT
Is our sport value for money compared with the cost of attending games in other countries ? Have your say with examples of what you have paid overseas ( No Brexit references for God's Sake please ). What would YOU pay to follow YOUR team ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 8:39:51 GMT
Fans have been fleeced over here for years watching a sport which is and always will be a minority one !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 9:28:38 GMT
Fortunate enough to have seen an NHL game in Tampa, Lightning v Sabres which cost about £90 for 3 of us, quite reasonable I thought for the quality of game.
Also had the 'misfortune' of being in Dubai Mall when the Dubai Mighty Camels were playing the Al Ain Vipers. The standard was shocking, even the Panthers would have hammered them! Still, it was free to watch and a bit of a giggle!
I always used to think ice hockey in this Country was good value and relatively priced compared to football (one of the reasons Panthers took priority over Forest for me). However, that's now changed and I find Forest to be better value than the diluted rubbish at the NIC.
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Post by kievthegreat on Feb 27, 2019 9:54:11 GMT
Fortunate enough to have seen an NHL game in Tampa, Lightning v Sabres which cost about £90 for 3 of us, quite reasonable I thought for the quality of game. Also had the 'misfortune' of being in Dubai Mall when the Dubai Mighty Camels were playing the Al Ain Vipers. The standard was shocking, even the Panthers would have hammered them! Still, it was free to watch and a bit of a giggle! I always used to think ice hockey in this Country was good value and relatively priced compared to football (one of the reasons Panthers took priority over Forest for me). However, that's now changed and I find Forest to be better value than the diluted rubbish at the NIC. It's all relative. British prices for football and Hockey are higher than their equivalent on the continent. However Hockey is an expensive sport and it seems to be one that big money sponsors aren't interested in, so gate receipts end up being the lifeline of the business model and as such milked for all their worth. Football's problem is just the obscene quantity (and obscene debt) throughout the game so greed inevitability wins out.
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Post by PantherB on Feb 27, 2019 10:19:22 GMT
I don’t think the prices are that bad really.
The quality isn’t great that’s for sure but it’s a professional sport where the sport relies on funding from fans and sponsorship to survive and be sustainable.
Average ticket price for Panthers is what? £15-17?
The ECHL is often around $30 for a good seat, depending on team which would equate to about £17. I’m not sure about AHL but I’d imagine that’s wide ranging when there’s expensive markets like Toronto playing against cheaper markets. The NHL can be both cheaper than EIHL prices but absurdly more expensive. It isn’t unheard of to get tickets in the rafters for teams like Florida, Carolina etc for $20 or so. But then you’ve got your Maple Leafs where you’d be lucky to sit in the rafters for £80. Rangers are expensive too, think that cost us about £60pp near the top of the section. Canucks were absurdly expensive too when I saw them, with them being one of the worst teams in the league, it cost me $700 for 4 tickets in the second tier, though it was against Pittsburgh. New Jersey cost us £35 each to sit about 7 rows from the plexi. Allsvenskan to see Bjorkloven and AIK was about £35 each.
I think for as long as we play in our arena, £20 should be the max ticket price and that isn’t that bad. There are games which should be cheaper and I feel we should take an ECHL approach with much more fan orientated events and theme nights with match deals on like a beer and a hot dog for $10/£7 etc. The hockey we witness is decent even if it’s not Panthers playing the decent hockey, the fan engagement and other aspects of the experience are not good enough. Ticket prices are fine but need altering for specific undesirable games but the food and drink, confectionary and merchandise prices are extortionate and that is where the problem lies in my eyes.
A £20 ticket fee is then increased to about £40 if the average person has a couple drinks and some food, which a lot of people do. And that’s excluding and potential spend on merch. Deal games, theme nights and fan orientation is the way forward in my eyes. I don’t mean theme nights as in tacky stuff either, just your militsry appreciation, emergency services perhaps and a cancer awareness night. I know the EVHL have dog theme nights and cartoon theme nights and I don’t like them, they’re the type of things Storm would do with their awful amount of theme nights.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 11:20:08 GMT
I don’t think the prices are that bad really. The quality isn’t great that’s for sure but it’s a professional sport where the sport relies on funding from fans and sponsorship to survive and be sustainable. Average ticket price for Panthers is what? £15-17? The ECHL is often around $30 for a good seat, depending on team which would equate to about £17. I’m not sure about AHL but I’d imagine that’s wide ranging when there’s expensive markets like Toronto playing against cheaper markets. The NHL can be both cheaper than EIHL prices but absurdly more expensive. It isn’t unheard of to get tickets in the rafters for teams like Florida, Carolina etc for $20 or so. But then you’ve got your Maple Leafs where you’d be lucky to sit in the rafters for £80. Rangers are expensive too, think that cost us about £60pp near the top of the section. Canucks were absurdly expensive too when I saw them, with them being one of the worst teams in the league, it cost me $700 for 4 tickets in the second tier, though it was against Pittsburgh. New Jersey cost us £35 each to sit about 7 rows from the plexi. Allsvenskan to see Bjorkloven and AIK was about £35 each. I think for as long as we play in our arena, £20 should be the max ticket price and that isn’t that bad. There are games which should be cheaper and I feel we should take an ECHL approach with much more fan orientated events and theme nights with match deals on like a beer and a hot dog for $10/£7 etc. The hockey we witness is decent even if it’s not Panthers playing the decent hockey, the fan engagement and other aspects of the experience are not good enough. Ticket prices are fine but need altering for specific undesirable games but the food and drink, confectionary and merchandise prices are extortionate and that is where the problem lies in my eyes. A £20 ticket fee is then increased to about £40 if the average person has a couple drinks and some food, which a lot of people do. And that’s excluding and potential spend on merch. Deal games, theme nights and fan orientation is the way forward in my eyes. I don’t mean theme nights as in tacky stuff either, just your militsry appreciation, emergency services perhaps and a cancer awareness night. I know the EVHL have dog theme nights and cartoon theme nights and I don’t like them, they’re the type of things Storm would do with their awful amount of theme nights. I saw the Redwings years ago (The year after we won the cup in 2002) a ticket cost me $85 And I was 8 rows from the front in the lower bowl... and the ice was littered with future HHOFers!
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Post by SteelerBlade on Feb 27, 2019 15:37:36 GMT
You can watch Czech Extraliga hockey (which I’ve done quite a few times) for very cheap. The most expensive team, Sparta Prague, is 190CZK which is around £6.60 for a standing ticket.
Other teams in Czech Republic are even cheaper and the standard is much higher than ours.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 27, 2019 18:19:42 GMT
Like all sports (or nights out in the Panthers case) It’s only expensive if your not enjoying yourself. I am not worried at the cost in the least. I’m getting more concerned at all those winter evenings wasted when there are so many other things to do.
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Post by shinobi on Feb 27, 2019 18:31:48 GMT
You can watch Czech Extraliga hockey (which I’ve done quite a few times) for very cheap. The most expensive team, Sparta Prague, is 190CZK which is around £6.60 for a standing ticket. Other teams in Czech Republic are even cheaper and the standard is much higher than ours. My brother in law & I went to Prague in January 2009 and took in two games; Slavia V Mlada Boleslav & then Slavia V Sparta. I don’t recall the specifics but you’re right about it being cheaper than watching EIHL hockey; the hockey was better & so was the beer!
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Post by bobness on Feb 27, 2019 19:42:28 GMT
Meanwhile, back at the original thread...
I'm pretty much generally with PantherB. It's not that expensive for what you get, the value (and this gets more important for me as I get older) is pretty good, but I do sometimes feel the experience can be very same-y. Some theme nights or promotions would be a good idea I think. Anything that gets the queues down at the concession stands would also be a great idea... The last few times I've done it, the tills are set up such that it takes 6 till presses to refund my £1 for my beer glass, which is scary.
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Post by texpef on Feb 27, 2019 22:39:01 GMT
almost £20 to watch panthers now and I can pretty much spend a fiver more and watch what is in effect 2nd division football as opposed to non league hockey..
Now I don't want to watch football of any standard to be honest but when I look back at Heineken league and tickets were less than a fiver when forest was £15 and then when it was the ISL with some teams fully import laden (not panthers though although it was strongly rumoured even with a few brits and mostly imports, panthers were still very profitable when some teams weren't) tickets were around £8 for what was the best quality hockey we have seen in this country when at the time football was around £20...
So to summarise I am less convinced it is as much value for money as it used to be and tbh with the team currently performing so badly my money is at present being used elsewhere. If the hockey and lets be honest here, for me the results, improve, then there is a good chance that the value for money balance tips more in favour of attending.
Hockey is financially cheaper elsewhere but as that is not available to me currently living in Nottingham, it comes down to a choice do I spend the money on the product available or not.... and for me at the mo, its a not...
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Post by spik on Feb 28, 2019 18:36:26 GMT
So we can compare Brit v Chech hockey prices etc... But what does the general Chech man take home in his weekly pay compared to us....the cheaper ticket could be expensive to them?
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