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Post by John Casey on Feb 24, 2019 10:15:59 GMT
Whilst I wasn't there, to beat one of the form teams isn't to be sniffed at.
Hopefully it'll be the start of something for us to get excited again (we certainly deserve it)
However I thought before so not getting my hopes up too high
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Post by iginla on Feb 24, 2019 10:45:10 GMT
Whilst I wasn't there, to beat one of the form teams isn't to be sniffed at. Hopefully it'll be the start of something for us to get excited again (we certainly deserve it) However I thought before so not getting my hopes up too high You’ll learn John,one day you’ll have been there so many times....you’ll learn !
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Post by Shaggy on Feb 24, 2019 10:56:30 GMT
A nice victory, and one long overdue. It's nice to walk out of the arena with the warm winning feeling... which has happened far too little of late. The first period was a yawnfest... both teams seemed like they were just trying to weigh each other up, no real oomph from either of them. You know it's a bit pitiful when 13 shots in a period isn't from just one team, but both! It did make me laugh when the announcer yelled out (for Guptill's first goal) "he shoots, he scores!"... that wasn't a shot, it was a nudge! But what the hell... a goal is a goal is a goal, and he was in the right place & reacted quickly enough, so all credit to him. The second period, we got sloppy. The first Clan goal was absolutely handed to them on a silver platter. Terrible defending. I await the highlights with interest, because from block 15 I had absolutely no ruddy clue whatsoever where the puck had gone for that reviewed goal... and judging by the length of time it took the stripeys to sort it out, they were having problems as well. Perlini's goal... not sure how much was luck and how much was intentional, but it was nice nonetheless. One of the few bright spots in a bad period. Period 1 - dreary Period 2 - frustrating Period 3... whiskey tango foxtrot??? When Glasgow made it 2-3 and you could see the Panthers players' heads go down, I was on the verge of texting my mate (who hadn't come along) that he'd made the right choice. As I recall, that was the result of another bit of sub-par defending (I could be remembering it wrong... again, will have to wait for the highlights). So the change in the team when Steve Lee scored was a very welcome surprise. All of a sudden there was some new energy, and you could feel a tangible change in the team. Sure enough - there's another goal... and another. After the Panthers' 5th goal, it was like a mirror image of about 10 minutes before... the body language of both teams had completely reversed... the Clan looked like a spent force, beaten and just going through the motions... whereas the Panthers' tails were up and they were buzzing. A little bit of luck, a bit of a confidence boost... it's amazing how that can change things. And the Clan's reaction shows that this is true of all teams, not just ours. According to the EIHL website, Perlini got a 5+G Boarding and Gross Misconduct (not the normal Game Misconduct). I really hope that's a mistake on the website (let's face it, we're used to seeing those!) because if not... he's going to get a hefty ban. It did look like boarding to me, but far less serious than some we've seen this season. Stewart & Fitzgerald would be more likely candidates for a ban, I'd have thought... maybe the stripeys went in too early, but regardless - to carry on punching each other when you've got the linesmen intervening is just dumb. No doubt the Department Of Panther Shafting will find some way to screw us over...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 11:08:37 GMT
A nice victory, and one long overdue. It's nice to walk out of the arena with the warm winning feeling... which has happened far too little of late. The first period was a yawnfest... both teams seemed like they were just trying to weigh each other up, no real oomph from either of them. You know it's a bit pitiful when 13 shots in a period isn't from just one team, but both! It did make me laugh when the announcer yelled out (for Guptill's first goal) "he shoots, he scores!"... that wasn't a shot, it was a nudge! But what the hell... a goal is a goal is a goal, and he was in the right place & reacted quickly enough, so all credit to him. The second period, we got sloppy. The first Clan goal was absolutely handed to them on a silver platter. Terrible defending. I await the highlights with interest, because from block 15 I had absolutely no ruddy clue whatsoever where the puck had gone for that reviewed goal... and judging by the length of time it took the stripeys to sort it out, they were having problems as well. Perlini's goal... not sure how much was luck and how much was intentional, but it was nice nonetheless. One of the few bright spots in a bad period. Period 1 - dreary Period 2 - frustrating Period 3... whiskey tango foxtrot??? When Glasgow made it 2-3 and you could see the Panthers players' heads go down, I was on the verge of texting my mate (who hadn't come along) that he'd made the right choice. As I recall, that was the result of another bit of sub-par defending (I could be remembering it wrong... again, will have to wait for the highlights). So the change in the team when Steve Lee scored was a very welcome surprise. All of a sudden there was some new energy, and you could feel a tangible change in the team. Sure enough - there's another goal... and another. After the Panthers' 5th goal, it was like a mirror image of about 10 minutes before... the body language of both teams had completely reversed... the Clan looked like a spent force, beaten and just going through the motions... whereas the Panthers' tails were up and they were buzzing. A little bit of luck, a bit of a confidence boost... it's amazing how that can change things. And the Clan's reaction shows that this is true of all teams, not just ours. According to the EIHL website, Perlini got a 5+G Boarding and Gross Misconduct (not the normal Game Misconduct). I really hope that's a mistake on the website (let's face it, we're used to seeing those!) because if not... he's going to get a hefty ban. It did look like boarding to me, but far less serious than some we've seen this season. Stewart & Fitzgerald would be more likely candidates for a ban, I'd have thought... maybe the stripeys went in too early, but regardless - to carry on punching each other when you've got the linesmen intervening is just dumb. No doubt the Department Of Panther Shafting will find some way to screw us over... Hefty ban for boarding? Unless it was another phantom headshot? Then behave Fitz and stewert never got going so won t get a ban. Nothing would surprise me with this league. Had a cardiff player done it we wouldn't be even discussing it!
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Post by bobness on Feb 24, 2019 14:15:00 GMT
Stay cool, Shaggy, there's no such thing as a gross misconduct any more. It's a mistake.
Lee had statistically his best game of the season so far, scoring his first goal of the season and a +3 rating on the night.
Since Strachan has taken charge, the PP (all games) is now a pretty grim 2 for 37, 2 for its first 6, but a woeful 0 for its last 31 (With one SHG conceded). The last PP goal in the league was 20 Jan in Fife, meaning Panthers are now a month without a PPG, spanning 8 games. The PK is a fairly respectable 40 for 49 (let down by being 6 for 9 in the away leg of the cup semi).
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Post by No 29 on Feb 24, 2019 14:42:11 GMT
Lee had statistically his best game of the season so far, scoring his first goal of the season and a +3 rating on the night. Looked like Lee had been encouraged to shoot more often last night and it worked with a bit of luck involved. Stewart's passing was also making Perlini and Farmer more dangerous. He set up two clear chances for Perlini, one scored.
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Post by pantherlee on Feb 24, 2019 16:46:53 GMT
Just viewed the highlights and that scuffle at the end really was over nothing. Perlini hardly touches the clan player. He just loses his balance and clatters into the boards
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Post by Yotes on Feb 24, 2019 21:30:46 GMT
Why can we never see the overhead camera view? Isn't that what the goal line tech is?
The 2nd Clan goal looks there like it didn't go in, but I would think overhead would clear it up totally? Do we not actually have that?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 24, 2019 21:37:08 GMT
Why can we never see the overhead camera view? Isn't that what the goal line tech is? The 2nd Clan goal looks there like it didn't go in, but I would think overhead would clear it up totally? Do we not actually have that? No I don’t think we ever have as the arena wouldn’t go for it
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 24, 2019 21:46:55 GMT
Why can we never see the overhead camera view? Isn't that what the goal line tech is? The 2nd Clan goal looks there like it didn't go in, but I would think overhead would clear it up totally? Do we not actually have that? No I don’t think we ever have as the arena wouldn’t go for it I believe we do. Not sure but I sat near the away penalty box for the cup semi final. From where I was sat it looked like that was the exact camera position they were using. It was also the only one they used. It was very strange as they were reviewing our goal for a high stick. 🤷🏽♂️ Perhaps somebody more ITK can confirm as this was a one off for me. I'm usually the other side of the rink.
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Post by iginla on Feb 24, 2019 21:56:38 GMT
Why can we never see the overhead camera view? Isn't that what the goal line tech is? The 2nd Clan goal looks there like it didn't go in, but I would think overhead would clear it up totally? Do we not actually have that? Looked like it went under the bar hit the water bottle and back out to me.
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Post by kievthegreat on Feb 24, 2019 23:02:52 GMT
No I don’t think we ever have as the arena wouldn’t go for it I believe we do. Not sure but I sat near the away penalty box for the cup semi final. From where I was sat it looked like that was the exact camera position they were using. It was also the only one they used. It was very strange as they were reviewing our goal for a high stick. 🤷🏽♂️ Perhaps somebody more ITK can confirm as this was a one off for me. I'm usually the other side of the rink. I'm just to right of the away box every game and it's not the easiest to make out , but when I've had a clearish view, it's looked like a top down angle to me.
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Post by bobness on Feb 25, 2019 8:44:40 GMT
Attached is the best still I can get from the highlights (suitably blown up, I hope) I'm now convinced it hit the bar and came out. Play it on 0.25 speed and try and get it frame by frame, there's no time for it to go through the plane of the net and come back out to be where it is above, at the trajectory it is above. It's a Geoff Hurst world cup final type goal. Unless someone's better at video than me... Attachments:
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Post by bobness on Feb 25, 2019 8:47:50 GMT
Why can we never see the overhead camera view? Isn't that what the goal line tech is? The 2nd Clan goal looks there like it didn't go in, but I would think overhead would clear it up totally? Do we not actually have that? Looked like it went under the bar hit the water bottle and back out to me. The water bottle moves ever so slightly due to the puck hitting the bar. That's what I see anyway.
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Post by iginla on Feb 25, 2019 9:02:56 GMT
Looked like it went under the bar hit the water bottle and back out to me. The water bottle moves ever so slightly due to the puck hitting the bar. That's what I see anyway. You’d have heard the “ding” if it hit the bar. Where did the puck end up ?
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Post by bobness on Feb 25, 2019 9:19:38 GMT
The water bottle moves ever so slightly due to the puck hitting the bar. That's what I see anyway. You’d have heard the “ding” if it hit the bar. Where did the puck end up ? You don't always though, do you? It ended up between Garnett's legs. I'm not arguing the point here, if anyone has some definitive evidence, I'm all ears. You can't tell much from a still, but I just think, as I stand now, it's hit the bar. I'm perfectly willing to be shown otherwise. I have no need to be proved right. The goal judge viewpoint footage shows nothing as far as I can tell.
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Post by iginla on Feb 25, 2019 9:27:00 GMT
You’d have heard the “ding” if it hit the bar. Where did the puck end up ? You don't always though, do you? It ended up between Garnett's legs. I'm not arguing the point here, if anyone has some definitive evidence, I'm all ears. You can't tell much from a still, but I just think, as I stand now, it's hit the bar. I'm perfectly willing to be shown otherwise. I have no need to be proved right. The goal judge viewpoint footage shows nothing as far as I can tell. I’d say goal. Anyway where is the goal line technology Tony Smith promised us two years ago ?
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Post by kievthegreat on Feb 25, 2019 9:59:20 GMT
Looked like it went under the bar hit the water bottle and back out to me. The water bottle moves ever so slightly due to the puck hitting the bar. That's what I see anyway. Putting on my physics hat, a puck weighing 150g travelling at say 40mph (being very conservative as it ripped on the one timer) hits a water bottle which if full would weigh maybe 1.5kg max (assuming it's just a bit over a litre capacity), you'd still expect the water bottle to move more than just a nudge. It barely registers any movement yet the puck seems to keep plenty of momentum. There's obviously the harder to predict impact of the netting and the extremely shallow angle, but I'm not convinced by the water bottle hypothesis. In fact watching the video the whole net including bottle appears to move just after Garnett pushes off but while the puck is still moving. However on neither camera can you make out the moment of impact IMO. So it's all pretty academic. Additionally but perhaps unrelatedly, Garnett gets his water changed during the review which would suggest it was nowhere near full.
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Post by iginla on Feb 25, 2019 10:28:11 GMT
The water bottle moves ever so slightly due to the puck hitting the bar. That's what I see anyway. Putting on my physics hat, a puck weighing 150g travelling at say 40mph (being very conservative as it ripped on the one timer) hits a water bottle which if full would weigh maybe 1.5kg max (assuming it's just a bit over a litre capacity), you'd still expect the water bottle to move more than just a nudge. It barely registers any movement yet the puck seems to keep plenty of momentum. There's obviously the harder to predict impact of the netting and the extremely shallow angle, but I'm not convinced by the water bottle hypothesis. In fact watching the video the whole net including bottle appears to move just after Garnett pushes off but while the puck is still moving. However on neither camera can you make out the moment of impact IMO. So it's all pretty academic. Additionally but perhaps unrelatedly, Garnett gets his water changed during the review which would suggest it was nowhere near full. It was the shallow angle of the shot that convinced me it was a goal. At that angle if it hits the underside of the bar it goes in,but if it hits the bar full on your hear it and the puck rebounds out a long way not drops down between Garnetts legs. I reckon netting between bar and water bottle and a goal.
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Post by Jord v4 on Feb 25, 2019 11:39:06 GMT
Looks a good goal on the footage available.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 25, 2019 11:44:21 GMT
I reckon netting between bar and water bottle and a goal. Could be that actually, the netting could've 'hooked' the edge of the puck and rebounded it back again. You'd expect more noise if something hit the bar as flush as it would need to, I would think. An overhead view at a much better frame rate is probably required to be certain. Not that it mattered in the end of course.
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