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Post by Shaggy on Jun 25, 2019 20:37:14 GMT
To play devil's advocate a bit - as someone else keeps claiming to do - how do we know that Farmer hasn't yet signed? All we know is that nothing has yet been announced. We have strongly suspected for years that the Panthers eke out signing news over the off-season... maybe that's the case here. Maybe Farmer has already signed. Maybe there is a privately-agreed deadline for him to find an overseas team, after which he will automatically re-sign for us. Maybe he's not coming back at all, and they don't want to announce that so close to the Steve Lee announcement. Maybe something else. And why assume that the Panthers would wait until Farmer said no before looking for a replacement? If I were them, I'd be working on other British players at the same time... like the oft-touted Ben Davies. Hang on... he's not yet been announced as signing again for Guildford... what does that mean? (could mean lots of things, could mean nothing). Yes we know all that Shaggy........but who is it that always insists “that as soon as the ink is dry” ? It sure ain’t the people on here ! Hands up anyone who believes that 'ink is dry' line? Anyone? It's PR... it's marketing, it's advertising... which belong in the same category as most politics, activism, campaigns etc (especially when there's money involved)... ie: it's 'bovine excrement'. These days, all organisations - sporting or otherwise - dish out PR bull... and most of the time it's at best 90% filler and 10% killer. I see a Panthers PR, and I automatically doubt everything but the clearly-stated facts (and don't automatically believe them, neither). It's a poor state of affairs, but unfortunately that's the world we live in. One could hope that the Panthers could raise themselves up from the PR swamp and actually do something different, be more open, honest, not try to sugar-coat stuff all of the time... but I'm not going to hold my breath. It's not just the Panthers, of course... our club is undoubtedly one of the worst at communicating with... well, anyone really - but especially fans - but they're all bad. Some of them either jazz it up better or have a bit more truth to them... but I wouldn't trust any of 'em as far as I could throw a Zamboni. Cynical? Moi? BTW... "we know all that"... apparently not, going by the sheer amount of blinkered assumptions being made all the time by fans.
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Post by iginla on Jun 25, 2019 21:05:16 GMT
Yes we know all that Shaggy........but who is it that always insists “that as soon as the ink is dry” ? It sure ain’t the people on here ! Hands up anyone who believes that 'ink is dry' line? Anyone? It's PR... it's marketing, it's advertising... which belong in the same category as most politics, activism, campaigns etc (especially when there's money involved)... ie: it's 'bovine excrement'. These days, all organisations - sporting or otherwise - dish out PR bull... and most of the time it's at best 90% filler and 10% killer. I see a Panthers PR, and I automatically doubt everything but the clearly-stated facts (and don't automatically believe them, neither). It's a poor state of affairs, but unfortunately that's the world we live in. One could hope that the Panthers could raise themselves up from the PR swamp and actually do something different, be more open, honest, not try to sugar-coat stuff all of the time... but I'm not going to hold my breath. It's not just the Panthers, of course... our club is undoubtedly one of the worst at communicating with... well, anyone really - but especially fans - but they're all bad. Some of them either jazz it up better or have a bit more truth to them... but I wouldn't trust any of 'em as far as I could throw a Zamboni. Cynical? Moi? BTW... "we know all that"... apparently not, going by the sheer amount of blinkered assumptions being made all the time by fans. Well yes indeed i couldn’t agree with you more. Panthers spout absolute tripe and cobblers,by their actions they regularly invite criticism by the bucketload and deserve every little bit of it they get. In this instance though,based on Panthers own spin or lies it’s fair for blinkered,disbelieving or uninitiated fans to assume that Farmer is not yet re signed.
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Post by Pies on Jun 25, 2019 21:26:21 GMT
The ink is dry line was something drummed up years ago when we did literally used to announce signings at 3am.
I think it’s pretty obvious now that isn’t the case especially in the age of social media where you can drive traffic into your website, it makes sense. And does it really matter when we know? I’m not sure I am that bothered.
The club also won’t come out and say this either because people will kick off over this.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 25, 2019 21:44:15 GMT
Pretty sure that Farmer will be drip fed to us soon but if we’ve managed to con Guildford into some sort of swap deal with Lee and Davis I will have a bit of a dance.
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Jun 25, 2019 21:58:58 GMT
Post by Shaggy on Jun 25, 2019 21:58:58 GMT
Hands up anyone who believes that 'ink is dry' line? Anyone? It's PR... it's marketing, it's advertising... which belong in the same category as most politics, activism, campaigns etc (especially when there's money involved)... ie: it's 'bovine excrement'. These days, all organisations - sporting or otherwise - dish out PR bull... and most of the time it's at best 90% filler and 10% killer. I see a Panthers PR, and I automatically doubt everything but the clearly-stated facts (and don't automatically believe them, neither). It's a poor state of affairs, but unfortunately that's the world we live in. One could hope that the Panthers could raise themselves up from the PR swamp and actually do something different, be more open, honest, not try to sugar-coat stuff all of the time... but I'm not going to hold my breath. It's not just the Panthers, of course... our club is undoubtedly one of the worst at communicating with... well, anyone really - but especially fans - but they're all bad. Some of them either jazz it up better or have a bit more truth to them... but I wouldn't trust any of 'em as far as I could throw a Zamboni. Cynical? Moi? BTW... "we know all that"... apparently not, going by the sheer amount of blinkered assumptions being made all the time by fans. Well yes indeed i couldn’t agree with you more. Panthers spout absolute tripe and cobblers,by their actions they regularly invite criticism by the bucketload and deserve every little bit of it they get. No. They deserve criticism... a fair bit of criticism. Perhaps even what you'd call 'a lot' of criticism. However, this all-out, take-no-prisoners warfare that is being waged against the club is just OTT and counter-productive. It's going way too far. Absolutely everything they say and do is picked apart and even the slightest hint of ambiguity - much less anything overtly bad - is seized upon, blown out of all proportion and ripped to shreds. Which is stupid. The club certainly need to buck their ideas up, big-style. Thing is... so does the fanbase. The ink is dry line was something drummed up years ago when we did literally used to announce signings at 3am. I think it’s pretty obvious now that isn’t the case especially in the age of social media where you can drive traffic into your website, it makes sense. And does it really matter when we know? I’m not sure I am that bothered. Yeah, kind of with you on that one. But with that in mind... they really should drop that line, then. Absolutely. As much as the club need to be more open, communicative, reasonable... the fanbase as a whole need to be more patient, understanding, reasonable. I'm not going to hold my breath... on either count.
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Post by iginla on Jun 25, 2019 21:59:45 GMT
The ink is dry line was something drummed up years ago when we did literally used to announce signings at 3am. I think it’s pretty obvious now that isn’t the case especially in the age of social media where you can drive traffic into your website, it makes sense. And does it really matter when we know? I’m not sure I am that bothered. The club also won’t come out and say this either because people will kick off over this. Can’t say I’m bothered in the slightest either and yes it was a line drummed up years ago,but they still use the old “when the ink is dry” line even now. Why do they do that when it is so blatantly not true,it just smacks of wanting to pee fans off on purpose ? And people wonder why they cop so much flak. 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 22:06:17 GMT
Well yes indeed i couldn’t agree with you more. Panthers spout absolute tripe and cobblers,by their actions they regularly invite criticism by the bucketload and deserve every little bit of it they get. No. They deserve criticism... a fair bit of criticism. Perhaps even what you'd call 'a lot' of criticism. However, this all-out, take-no-prisoners warfare that is being waged against the club is just OTT and counter-productive. It's going way too far. Absolutely everything they say and do is picked apart and even the slightest hint of ambiguity - much less anything overtly bad - is seized upon, blown out of all proportion and ripped to shreds. Which is stupid. The club certainly need to buck their ideas up, big-style. Thing is... so does the fanbase. The ink is dry line was something drummed up years ago when we did literally used to announce signings at 3am. I think it’s pretty obvious now that isn’t the case especially in the age of social media where you can drive traffic into your website, it makes sense. And does it really matter when we know? I’m not sure I am that bothered. Yeah, kind of with you on that one. But with that in mind... they really should drop that line, then. Absolutely. As much as the club need to be more open, communicative, reasonable... the fanbase as a whole need to be more patient, understanding, reasonable. I'm not going to hold my breath... on either count. The club doesn't need it's own fans to pick apart everything the say and rip it to bits.. the rest of the leagues fans do a good enough job of that.. on Twitter panthers handles must get quoted on more than any other teams .. and not in a good way!
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Post by Shaggy on Jun 25, 2019 22:23:35 GMT
The club doesn't need it's own fans to pick apart everything the say and rip it to bits.. the rest of the leagues fans do a good enough job of that.. on Twitter panthers handles must get quoted on more than any other teams .. and not in a good way! Oh, I think that Sheffield probably still wear the crown in that regard... after all, no matter how poor the Panthers' communications are - we don't have DS The BS. And in an attempt to get back on topic... Pretty sure that Farmer will be drip fed to us soon but if we’ve managed to con Guildford into some sort of swap deal with Lee and Davis I will have a bit of a dance. Whether it would be a 'swap' or not is open for debate... but getting Ben Davies here would be a real coup. Not sure I believe it'll happen, mind... he's going to be in high demand, and Guildford have never been backwards in splashing cash. Davies isn't perfect, though... I still wince at the memory of watching him on a breakaway near the start of the GB game vs France last month and somehow deciding to pass it back to one of the French D-men who were homing in on him! Even Davies himself couldn't believe he'd done something that dumb... But he is a good player overall... and yes, that OT winner against France will remain in the memory forever (although a huge part of the credit should go to Jonathan Phillips... he set it up brilliantly). I hope you're right about Farmer...
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Jun 25, 2019 22:55:32 GMT
Post by PantherG on Jun 25, 2019 22:55:32 GMT
Apparently Davis’ agent met with Dixon yesterday to try and work out a deal that’ll see him back in Guildford.
Something really not right in Notts that would see Stevie Lee look to leave and shop himself to Sheffield. There is very little chance Dowd or O’Connor would shop themselves to us, so why would a long serving player be keen to leave us to head up the M1, because there is no way they should be able to outspend us..
If this team finds Cardiff like success in the next few seasons, it’ll be more luck than anything.
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Post by iginla on Jun 25, 2019 23:46:47 GMT
Apparently Davis’ agent met with Dixon yesterday to try and work out a deal that’ll see him back in Guildford. Something really not right in Notts that would see Stevie Lee look to leave and shop himself to Sheffield. There is very little chance Dowd or O’Connor would shop themselves to us, so why would a long serving player be keen to leave us to head up the M1, because there is no way they should be able to outspend us.. If this team finds Cardiff like success in the next few seasons, it’ll be more luck than anything. Being very cynical,possibly because he didn’t like something about Panthers set up but wanted his testimonial money before he jumped ship.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 25, 2019 23:47:30 GMT
Apparently Davis’ agent met with Dixon yesterday to try and work out a deal that’ll see him back in Guildford. Something really not right in Notts that would see Stevie Lee look to leave and shop himself to Sheffield. There is very little chance Dowd or O’Connor would shop themselves to us, so why would a long serving player be keen to leave us to head up the M1, because there is no way they should be able to outspend us.. If this team finds Cardiff like success in the next few seasons, it’ll be more luck than anything. I really don’t understand the love-in on Lee all of a sudden to be honest. The only thing in his favour is that he’s a Brit. Must be one of the most complained and moaned about player on the team in the last couple of years and justifiably so. Was much better before the injury and has pretty much been a shadow of that player since. Open up the cheque book and upgrade in my opinion. One of two Brits personally I have wanted shipping out and upgraded.
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Jun 25, 2019 23:58:39 GMT
Post by PantherG on Jun 25, 2019 23:58:39 GMT
Apparently Davis’ agent met with Dixon yesterday to try and work out a deal that’ll see him back in Guildford. Something really not right in Notts that would see Stevie Lee look to leave and shop himself to Sheffield. There is very little chance Dowd or O’Connor would shop themselves to us, so why would a long serving player be keen to leave us to head up the M1, because there is no way they should be able to outspend us.. If this team finds Cardiff like success in the next few seasons, it’ll be more luck than anything. I really don’t understand the love-in on Lee all of a sudden to be honest. The only thing in his favour is that he’s a Brit. Must be one of the most complained and moaned about player on the team in the last couple of years and justifiably so. Was much better before the injury and has pretty much been a shadow of that player since. Open up the cheque book and upgrade in my opinion. One of two Brits personally I have wanted shipping out and upgraded. What replacement D man is available to open the cheque book for?
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Post by iginla on Jun 26, 2019 0:03:54 GMT
Should have opened the cheque book for Ciaran Long and gone with six import D.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 0:11:05 GMT
I really don’t understand the love-in on Lee all of a sudden to be honest. The only thing in his favour is that he’s a Brit. Must be one of the most complained and moaned about player on the team in the last couple of years and justifiably so. Was much better before the injury and has pretty much been a shadow of that player since. Open up the cheque book and upgrade in my opinion. One of two Brits personally I have wanted shipping out and upgraded. What replacement D man is available to open the cheque book for? Just because theres a shortage of half decent d men doesn't mean you should stick with the same old crap year in year out Do you have any proof that Stevie lee shopped himself to Sheffield btw?
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Post by iginla on Jun 26, 2019 0:17:14 GMT
What replacement D man is available to open the cheque book for? Just because theres a shortage of half decent d men doesn't mean you should stick with the same old crap year in year out Do you have any proof that Stevie lee shopped himself to Sheffield btw? It was in an Aaron Fox interview where they said they looked at him. Said he spoke to Lee’s agent but when he found out the price he quoted “that was the end of that” ! Lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2019 0:36:20 GMT
So it wasnt as much as him shopping himself to Sheffield more like his agent trying to touch base and get him a job elsewhere. I'm sure it wasnt just Sheffield either
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Post by PantherG on Jun 26, 2019 6:14:29 GMT
What replacement D man is available to open the cheque book for? Just because theres a shortage of half decent d men doesn't mean you should stick with the same old crap year in year out Do you have any proof that Stevie lee shopped himself to Sheffield btw? There was an article in the Sheffield post, but they couldn’t afford him within their budget, so Aaron Fox walked away, allowing Guildford to snap him up.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 26, 2019 6:18:51 GMT
I really don’t understand the love-in on Lee all of a sudden to be honest. The only thing in his favour is that he’s a Brit. Must be one of the most complained and moaned about player on the team in the last couple of years and justifiably so. Was much better before the injury and has pretty much been a shadow of that player since. Open up the cheque book and upgrade in my opinion. One of two Brits personally I have wanted shipping out and upgraded. What replacement D man is available to open the cheque book for? It's not the position that needs replacing, just the Brit with a passport
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Post by wgray on Jun 26, 2019 7:29:20 GMT
What replacement D man is available to open the cheque book for? It's not the position that needs replacing, just the Brit with a passport Exactly, we still need a senior Brit, as well as Farmer, unless we are going to use Tetlow in the starting line-up.
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Post by texpef on Jun 26, 2019 7:31:20 GMT
Yes we know all that Shaggy........but who is it that always insists “that as soon as the ink is dry” ? It sure ain’t the people on here ! Hands up anyone who believes that 'ink is dry' line? Anyone? It's PR... it's marketing, it's advertising... which belong in the same category as most politics, activism, campaigns etc (especially when there's money involved)... ie: it's 'bovine excrement'. These days, all organisations - sporting or otherwise - dish out PR bull... and most of the time it's at best 90% filler and 10% killer. I see a Panthers PR, and I automatically doubt everything but the clearly-stated facts (and don't automatically believe them, neither). It's a poor state of affairs, but unfortunately that's the world we live in. One could hope that the Panthers could raise themselves up from the PR swamp and actually do something different, be more open, honest, not try to sugar-coat stuff all of the time... but I'm not going to hold my breath. It's not just the Panthers, of course... our club is undoubtedly one of the worst at communicating with... well, anyone really - but especially fans - but they're all bad. Some of them either jazz it up better or have a bit more truth to them... but I wouldn't trust any of 'em as far as I could throw a Zamboni. Cynical? Moi? BTW... "we know all that"... apparently not, going by the sheer amount of blinkered assumptions being made all the time by fans. WOW this doesn't happen very often but I fully agree with you on this Shagmeister...
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Post by loupowell52 on Jun 27, 2019 6:39:26 GMT
Steelers have had some real dough balls on defence in recent years but Lee was never a possibility under Aaron Fox.
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Jun 27, 2019 19:31:07 GMT
Post by PantherB on Jun 27, 2019 19:31:07 GMT
Maybe Lee asked for a lot from Sheffield because he wasn't keen on playing there? Players will take pay cuts where they want to play and ask for me where they don't want to play.
Fox comes across as the kind of coach who doesn't particularly care about British players' loyalty to clubs, he will sign whoever it takes to win and if that means signing players from rivals, so be it. I'd be happy if we signed O'Connor or Dowd etc. There's too much sensitivity around where players played before, like when we announced Matherson.. he'll be a decent player, yet because he played for Sheffield people moan.
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