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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2019 15:54:19 GMT
Why are we presuming Farms is leaving at present we have the same brits as last year.. would be nice to add Ben Davies though if farmer moves on
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Jun 8, 2019 15:57:00 GMT
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Post by Joe on Jun 8, 2019 15:57:00 GMT
Why are we presuming Farms is leaving at present we have the same brits as last year.. would be nice to add Ben Davies though if farmer moves on Not presuming he’s leaving but either way we need more u23’s
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Post by Shaggy on Jun 8, 2019 16:36:36 GMT
Going by the pattern displayed so far - Lacho & Perlini announced together, then Kelsall & Hazeldine - there's a decent chance that the next one is going to be Farmer & Lee. I certainly hope so.
As for developing more U23s... well, if anyone - be it the Panthers club or Panthers fans - actually gave a toss about the Nottingham Lions, that might actually be a little easier. Maybe even a lot easier. Pity nobody gives a toss, isn't it?
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Jun 8, 2019 17:03:08 GMT
Post by PantherB on Jun 8, 2019 17:03:08 GMT
We need more from all of our Brits this season.
Perlini is good but he has the ability to be near a PPG, he needs more freedom to play his game and to be placed on a line and not moved around like a bag in the wind.
Betteridge, is he still u23? I really like him, but want to see more. He isn't a young prospect so to speak anymore, yes he is still young but now is the time where we need to see his numbers pick up a bit more.
Lachowicz, not much needs to be said than 2 goals is dire. I'm fine for him to continue the PK stuff, he's decent at it, but we need more.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 8, 2019 17:15:07 GMT
Going by the pattern displayed so far - Lacho & Perlini announced together, then Kelsall & Hazeldine - there's a decent chance that the next one is going to be Farmer & Lee. I certainly hope so. As for developing more U23s... well, if anyone - be it the Panthers club or Panthers fans - actually gave a toss about the Nottingham Lions, that might actually be a little easier. Maybe even a lot easier. Pity nobody gives a toss, isn't it? Didn’t they lose every single game last season? It was bad enough watching the Panthers to be honest.
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Jun 8, 2019 17:38:45 GMT
Post by Shaggy on Jun 8, 2019 17:38:45 GMT
Going by the pattern displayed so far - Lacho & Perlini announced together, then Kelsall & Hazeldine - there's a decent chance that the next one is going to be Farmer & Lee. I certainly hope so. As for developing more U23s... well, if anyone - be it the Panthers club or Panthers fans - actually gave a toss about the Nottingham Lions, that might actually be a little easier. Maybe even a lot easier. Pity nobody gives a toss, isn't it? Didn’t they lose every single game last season? It was bad enough watching the Panthers to be honest. Yes, they did... for a variety of reasons. Partly because they were up against teams like Hull, Sheffield, Telford etc who had dropped down from the collapsed EPL... teams with players much more experienced at a higher level, who actually get paid (the Lions don't have the budget to pay anyone!). Partly because the Lions lost most of their more experienced players to teams who could pay them, or for other reasons, and so had to rely heavily on junior players. All of this means that right now the Lions wouldn't be much help in the short term... which could change, but only if people actually gave a toss and gave them some support.
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Jun 8, 2019 17:52:59 GMT
Post by cooperphil156 on Jun 8, 2019 17:52:59 GMT
Didn’t they lose every single game last season? It was bad enough watching the Panthers to be honest. Yes, they did... for a variety of reasons. Partly because they were up against teams like Hull, Sheffield, Telford etc who had dropped down from the collapsed EPL... teams with players much more experienced at a higher level, who actually get paid (the Lions don't have the budget to pay anyone!). Partly because the Lions lost most of their more experienced players to teams who could pay them, or for other reasons, and so had to rely heavily on junior players. All of this means that right now the Lions wouldn't be much help in the short term... which could change, but only if people actually gave a toss and gave them some support. Agree - the point was totally lost on him. If they lose every game and produce one or two players a year who might progress into the Elite League that is progress.
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Jun 8, 2019 21:19:29 GMT
Post by spik on Jun 8, 2019 21:19:29 GMT
I feel a testimonial coming on for Lachowicz in the tenth season.
Also, will Kelsall get actual gameplay in domestic competition as he only played challenge games pre-move to play regularly elsewhere?
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Jun 9, 2019 0:07:31 GMT
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Post by Joe on Jun 9, 2019 0:07:31 GMT
I feel a testimonial coming on for Lachowicz in the tenth season. Also, will Kelsall get actual gameplay in domestic competition as he only played challenge games pre-move to play regularly elsewhere? can’t realistically see him getting similar ice time to what he got in Dundee if all our brits return
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Post by iginla on Jun 9, 2019 6:47:31 GMT
I feel a testimonial coming on for Lachowicz in the tenth season. Also, will Kelsall get actual gameplay in domestic competition as he only played challenge games pre-move to play regularly elsewhere? can’t realistically see him getting similar ice time to what he got in Dundee if all our brits return 51 games in Dundee for 0 + 3 Wow a real difference maker right there ! 🙄
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Jun 9, 2019 9:37:55 GMT
Post by Bagheera on Jun 9, 2019 9:37:55 GMT
www.panthers.co.uk/home/190609-gospelGospel to take starting spot in National league and can also be called up by Panthers. This is best case scinario for me. If he is just going to get splinters then he may aswell go play somewhere else. For us it's also a waste of an under 23 slot. Hopefully we now sign an under 23 for match night back up. Then utilise that space for another outskating over 23. So we could add Davies to Lee, Lacho, Perlini and Farmer in theory. If Gospel does play then Lacho could sit out.
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Jun 9, 2019 9:46:07 GMT
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Post by wgray on Jun 9, 2019 9:46:07 GMT
can’t realistically see him getting similar ice time to what he got in Dundee if all our brits return 51 games in Dundee for 0 + 3 Wow a real difference maker right there ! 🙄 We’ve got to remember he’s only 19, Dundee were a low scoring team last season, they didn’t run 4 lines, in turn, Kelsall didn’t get the ice time that he would have done with us where he could have played a regular 4th line role. There are problem’s with Lachowicz returning: he’s not a difference maker, he’s likely to be playing on the 4th line, but the budget spent on Lacho will be far greater than the budget spent on Kelsall, and for what additional benefit? A bit of penalty killing. Lacho should have been released and Kelsall should have been given his slot on the 4th line to allow him to progress, then we could have utilised Lacho’s wages elsewhere. Lacho has got to prove himself this season otherwise I expect Kelsall to be starting ahead of him.
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Jun 9, 2019 10:37:36 GMT
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Post by John Casey on Jun 9, 2019 10:37:36 GMT
www.panthers.co.uk/home/190609-gospelGospel to take starting spot in National league and can also be called up by Panthers. This is best case scinario for me. If he is just going to get splinters then he may aswell go play somewhere else. For us it's also a waste of an under 23 slot. Hopefully we now sign an under 23 for match night back up. Then utilise that space for another outskating over 23. So we could add Davies to Lee, Lacho, Perlini and Farmer in theory. If Gospel does play then Lacho could sit out. Not sure if I want an inexperienced under 23 Brit as backup. I just worry if he's needed to cover in a game like Cardiff. Or is this a sign that it's 2 import Goalies. 1 being Munson?
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Jun 9, 2019 10:39:29 GMT
Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 9, 2019 10:39:29 GMT
www.panthers.co.uk/home/190609-gospelGospel to take starting spot in National league and can also be called up by Panthers. This is best case scinario for me. If he is just going to get splinters then he may aswell go play somewhere else. For us it's also a waste of an under 23 slot. Hopefully we now sign an under 23 for match night back up. Then utilise that space for another outskating over 23. So we could add Davies to Lee, Lacho, Perlini and Farmer in theory. If Gospel does play then Lacho could sit out. Not sure if I want an inexperienced under 23 Brit as backup. I just worry if he's needed to cover in a game like Cardiff. Or is this a sign that it's 2 import Goalies. 1 being Munson? Two imports please and let Gospel drop down.
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Jun 9, 2019 10:44:44 GMT
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Post by Bagheera on Jun 9, 2019 10:44:44 GMT
www.panthers.co.uk/home/190609-gospelGospel to take starting spot in National league and can also be called up by Panthers. This is best case scinario for me. If he is just going to get splinters then he may aswell go play somewhere else. For us it's also a waste of an under 23 slot. Hopefully we now sign an under 23 for match night back up. Then utilise that space for another outskating over 23. So we could add Davies to Lee, Lacho, Perlini and Farmer in theory. If Gospel does play then Lacho could sit out. Not sure if I want an inexperienced under 23 Brit as backup. I just worry if he's needed to cover in a game like Cardiff. Or is this a sign that it's 2 import Goalies. 1 being Munson? I did think about that, however 2 import netminders on match nights is also a waste of a slot. My assumption would be 2 import goalies as per the last 5 or so seasons to cover injuries etc. I dont think an under 23 is too much of a risk as back up on match night though. How often does the back up have to come in at a critical point. 90% of the time the back up never gets on and when they do it's usually because the game is already gone and its just for experience. How many times can you recall a goalie having to come in when the starter has got injured the last few years? It's got to be less than 1% of the time.
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Jun 9, 2019 10:55:25 GMT
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Post by Yotes on Jun 9, 2019 10:55:25 GMT
How many times can you recall a goalie having to come in when the starter has got injured the last few years? It's got to be less than 1% of the time. We've all just had Dan Green flashbacks. But on the point I agree, waste of an import to have one sat watching the game most nights. On a harsher point, is Gospel still worth developing for the club? He's what now, 25 or something? Has he reached his ceiling? Would we be better finding a few younger British netminders, and getting them into the system (even if farmed out)?
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Jun 9, 2019 11:28:26 GMT
Post by Bagheera on Jun 9, 2019 11:28:26 GMT
How many times can you recall a goalie having to come in when the starter has got injured the last few years? It's got to be less than 1% of the time. We've all just had Dan Green flashbacks. But on the point I agree, waste of an import to have one sat watching the game most nights. On a harsher point, is Gospel still worth developing for the club? He's what now, 25 or something? Has he reached his ceiling? Would we be better finding a few younger British netminders, and getting them into the system (even if farmed out)? I think Gospel could potentially still get better. He will still be around EIHL players when he trains with Panthers. The reailty is at the momment he isn't good enough to be an EIHL number 1 but is too good to be wasted holding the clipboard. Goalies tend to be able to play a bit later than most though so I do think with a few more years he could be good enough. The likelihood is he wont get that chance, but you never know. I certainly dont see that chance coming at Panthers, maybe at a Manchester or even Hull type team should they step up.
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Jun 9, 2019 13:40:09 GMT
Post by bobness on Jun 9, 2019 13:40:09 GMT
Lacho has got to prove himself this season otherwise I expect Kelsall to be starting ahead of him. Absolutely. For me, Lacho is in the last chance saloon. I expect more than one goal scored on a goalie this coming season...
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jun 9, 2019 13:45:42 GMT
can’t realistically see him getting similar ice time to what he got in Dundee if all our brits return 51 games in Dundee for 0 + 3 Wow a real difference maker right there ! 🙄 Only seven points less than Lachowicz, no doubt on far less money, on a much poorer team and ten years younger. I know who I’d take between the two.
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Jun 10, 2019 9:27:30 GMT
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Post by mattalfuk on Jun 10, 2019 9:27:30 GMT
Anyone think that with all the emphasis they seem to be placing on the Hazeldine & Kelsall signings, they're trying to big those two up before they tell us that one or both of Steve Lee or Farms is not returning?
I know Steve Lee has his faults but I think we would miss him. Farms would be very very hard to replace.
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Jun 10, 2019 11:44:11 GMT
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Post by wgray on Jun 10, 2019 11:44:11 GMT
Anyone think that with all the emphasis they seem to be placing on the Hazeldine & Kelsall signings, they're trying to big those two up before they tell us that one or both of Steve Lee or Farms is not returning? I know Steve Lee has his faults but I think we would miss him. Farms would be very very hard to replace. You could be right. If that is the case then I imagine a lot of fans would be very frustrated if we couldn’t agree a deal with either of them and kept Lacho on. Whatever the situation I wish they’d not beat around the bush, be more transparent and let us know which players aren’t returning from last season, both Brit and Import. Sheffield have assembled a solid team so far, Belfast have picked up some quality after a big turnover and Cardiff have managed to keep hold of their stars. We’ve still got to sign our top 6 forwards and top 3D, but they are going to have to be quality to compete with the other teams.
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Post by humbucker on Jun 10, 2019 12:11:26 GMT
The development problem at junior level in Nottingham occurred as the links between the Panthers and the junior section was wound up a number of years ago therefore this reduced the incentive for players with potential to join the Nottingham set up as that important link was lost. Betteridge, Gospel, Lacho, Hazeldine, are all ex Nottingham junior players and Tom Hovell left the Lions to become Telford Tigers No1 netminder last season, but prior to them the Nottingham player conveyor belt produced a mass of high standard players during the era of the Panthers involvement in development. What you have with the Lions is a team that struggles massively with funds whilst also trying to put a team together that can compete. The Lions moved to a higher division when the opportunity appeared to increase the level of competition for what is the youngest team in the conference and yes they took some beatings but they also gained some admiration from a number of teams that they pushed close. They came up against teams containing a number of ex Elite team players, imports, and seasoned Brits all of whom are paid. Perhaps with a new Director of Hockey some interest might be taken in the development process of home grown Nottingham players?
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Jun 10, 2019 12:53:17 GMT
Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 10, 2019 12:53:17 GMT
The development problem at junior level in Nottingham occurred as the links between the Panthers and the junior section was wound up a number of years ago therefore this reduced the incentive for players with potential to join the Nottingham set up as that important link was lost. Betteridge, Gospel, Lacho, Hazeldine, are all ex Nottingham junior players and Tom Hovell left the Lions to become Telford Tigers No1 netminder last season, but prior to them the Nottingham player conveyor belt produced a mass of high standard players during the era of the Panthers involvement in development. What you have with the Lions is a team that struggles massively with funds whilst also trying to put a team together that can compete. The Lions moved to a higher division when the opportunity appeared to increase the level of competition for what is the youngest team in the conference and yes they took some beatings but they also gained some admiration from a number of teams that they pushed close. They came up against teams containing a number of ex Elite team players, imports, and seasoned Brits all of whom are paid. Perhaps with a new Director of Hockey some interest might be taken in the development process of home grown Nottingham players? It's an absolute shame especially as it's one of the so-called "National Ice Centre" teams.
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Jun 10, 2019 13:26:13 GMT
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Post by Joe on Jun 10, 2019 13:26:13 GMT
The development problem at junior level in Nottingham occurred as the links between the Panthers and the junior section was wound up a number of years ago therefore this reduced the incentive for players with potential to join the Nottingham set up as that important link was lost. Betteridge, Gospel, Lacho, Hazeldine, are all ex Nottingham junior players and Tom Hovell left the Lions to become Telford Tigers No1 netminder last season, but prior to them the Nottingham player conveyor belt produced a mass of high standard players during the era of the Panthers involvement in development. What you have with the Lions is a team that struggles massively with funds whilst also trying to put a team together that can compete. The Lions moved to a higher division when the opportunity appeared to increase the level of competition for what is the youngest team in the conference and yes they took some beatings but they also gained some admiration from a number of teams that they pushed close. They came up against teams containing a number of ex Elite team players, imports, and seasoned Brits all of whom are paid. Perhaps with a new Director of Hockey some interest might be taken in the development process of home grown Nottingham players? In Doucet’s latest interview about the return of Kelsall and Hazeldine and the departure of Gospel he mentioned about them working on making it easier for junior brits to play for the Panthers which could mean a potential link up with the Lions or another team
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Post by kievthegreat on Jun 10, 2019 13:30:03 GMT
The development problem at junior level in Nottingham occurred as the links between the Panthers and the junior section was wound up a number of years ago therefore this reduced the incentive for players with potential to join the Nottingham set up as that important link was lost. Betteridge, Gospel, Lacho, Hazeldine, are all ex Nottingham junior players and Tom Hovell left the Lions to become Telford Tigers No1 netminder last season, but prior to them the Nottingham player conveyor belt produced a mass of high standard players during the era of the Panthers involvement in development. What you have with the Lions is a team that struggles massively with funds whilst also trying to put a team together that can compete. The Lions moved to a higher division when the opportunity appeared to increase the level of competition for what is the youngest team in the conference and yes they took some beatings but they also gained some admiration from a number of teams that they pushed close. They came up against teams containing a number of ex Elite team players, imports, and seasoned Brits all of whom are paid. Perhaps with a new Director of Hockey some interest might be taken in the development process of home grown Nottingham players? In Doucet’s latest interview about the return of Kelsall and Hazeldine and the departure of Gospel he mentioned about them working on making it easier for junior brits to play for the Panthers which could mean a potential link up with the Lions or another team I think realistically there needs to be another team involved so that players can get experience in the new National League. However that shouldn't stop the club working with the Lions on players before and during the youngsters step up to the 2nd tier.
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