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Feb 19, 2019 8:44:38 GMT
Post by Carnell on Feb 19, 2019 8:44:38 GMT
A lot of talk at the minute about who you would keep and who you would toss aside got me thinking. What options do we have Brit wise?
I'm not talking about British prospects as much, as to be honest I don't follow the lower ranks close enough to know who is ready to step up and who isn't. I'm sure Jono could fill us in there. I'm looking at players than can make an instant impact.
For me, the last time there was a "shock" Brit move by the club to release a Brit was when Danny Meyers was shipped out and we brought Jon Weaver in. We've had other Brits come and go during the time, Boxill, Richardson, Swindlehurst, but I don't think any were GB regulars when they were culled or chose to move on that was met with the shock DM leaving was met with.
I don't want it to turn into a bashing thread, but if you was to release Lacho and Lee, which seem to be the two names at the top of a lot of peoples lists, who do you bring in to replace them?
Forwards wise, Ciaran Long is tied up in a multi year deal at Manchester, so would he really leave (big fish/small pond situation), Dowd is a Steeler, the only two I think you could make a move for and maybe tempt would be Ferrara and Peacock. Issue with Ferrara is again, he is one of Coventrys top players (big fish?), so getting more minutes than any of our British forwards id say, so would he have as bigger impact playing as a 2nd/3rd line minutes, maybe, if you could get 20pts out of him, would you consider that a success, I guess so.
Peacock, getting on a bit now, putting 20-25pts up a season, again playing higher minutes than Lacho is, can only see him slotting in on the 2nd at best line.
On the flip side, I like Lewis Hook, would get similar minutes based on where his is at in Belfast, similar stats to Betteridge, so could you tempt him? Not sure why he would leave Belfast to come to Panthers, only pull would be that he is close to Peterborough.
On the blue line, O'Connor isn't going anywhere, neither is Richardson, your next Brit is Lundin who has been a Flame for a decade and then you get to Steve Lee
For me, Tetlow can do a decent job as a 6th dman, no higher currently, so question is, assuming the league import rules remain the same, do you go with just 6 dmen (5 imports & Tetlow) and then 8 import forwards plus Betteridge, Perlini, Farmer, Kelsall plus going hard for one of Peacock/Lewis/Ferrara? or go for two new brits and have 6 import dmen and only 7 import forwards
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Feb 19, 2019 12:35:05 GMT
Post by PantherB on Feb 19, 2019 12:35:05 GMT
There's two Brits that interest me, for obvious reasons but I don't see either playing in the EIHL for a while. Scott Conway and Joseph Lewis. Both good import quality players.
But if we have to be realistic and use Lacho and Lee as the examples, I'd perhaps gamble picking up a young prospect with actual potential to replace Lacho and then spend more to bring in a better defenceman. I'd like Batch but like Lundin and the others, will he move? Unlikely. So if you then forget about all of the Brit defencemen currently with teams in the EIHL it leaves you with young players again. Ed Bradley would be someone I'd like to see in Nottingham one day.
There are too few, if no players at all to replace senior Brits these days. Any young players we pick up get dumped elsewhere normally too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 12:41:55 GMT
Not bothered as long as Lee and Lacho ain't wearing a Panthers jersey come September !
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Feb 19, 2019 12:47:56 GMT
Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 19, 2019 12:47:56 GMT
If they were imports they would have gone years ago. To be stuck with them because of their passports is just ridiculous.
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Feb 19, 2019 12:57:14 GMT
Post by ashfieldpanther on Feb 19, 2019 12:57:14 GMT
There's two Brits that interest me, for obvious reasons but I don't see either playing in the EIHL for a while. Scott Conway and Joseph Lewis. Both good import quality players. But if we have to be realistic and use Lacho and Lee as the examples, I'd perhaps gamble picking up a young prospect with actual potential to replace Lacho and then spend more to bring in a better defenceman. I'd like Batch but like Lundin and the others, will he move? Unlikely. So if you then forget about all of the Brit defencemen currently with teams in the EIHL it leaves you with young players again. Ed Bradley would be someone I'd like to see in Nottingham one day. There are too few, if no players at all to replace senior Brits these days. Any young players we pick up get dumped elsewhere normally too. You'd have to assume that Scott Conway's career path will keep him away from the EIHL for a while. I would think that either this year or next he'll leave College, and look to for a team either in the EIHL or higher. If he can't secure that then maybe he'll come over here. Lewis has been in Germany for a number of years and seems settled, a move to the UK would see him in Wales due to his Cardiff connection. But he's not been near the GB squad since he went to Germany so what does that say about him as a player ? We ought to looking at the GB under 20 squad, a lot of that squad are securing roles in the EIHL or playing for 'feeder clubs' so how about Neilson and Pizzo ?
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Post by SteelerBlade on Feb 19, 2019 13:38:21 GMT
James Griffin at MKL always looks tidy when I see him.
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Feb 19, 2019 14:10:25 GMT
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Post by iginla on Feb 19, 2019 14:10:25 GMT
What about all these young Brits that Corey developed, can’t we have some of those ? 🤔
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Post by wgray on Feb 19, 2019 16:57:19 GMT
If we stick with the same rules for next season, take into account ages and future proofing, this is what I think we should try and do:
Import Import Import Import Import Import Long Perlini Import Hook Import Betteridge
Import Import Import Import Tetlow Import
Import Gospel
I think we’ve got a good case for attracting young Brits next season considering that this season both Ollie and Josh have been given solid minutes and have developed massively. Arguably, their progress can be seen as a beacon of hope in a dark season and I expect Ollie will be on his way to Slovakia.
Lewis Hook is a player I think we could attract, give him an improved deal and he could effectively replace Lacho.
I think we should try our hardest to get Long as well, offer him a better deal then he’s on at Manchester and we could potentially look at doing a swap deal for either Farmer and/or Lee.
We've got to try and shake things up.
I’d also bring Kelsall back as 13th forward and give him a chance to break into the lineup. I’d also continue to keep Hazeldine on a 2-way deal and try and give him more game time when possible.
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Feb 19, 2019 17:54:53 GMT
Post by iginla on Feb 19, 2019 17:54:53 GMT
If we stick with the same rules for next season, take into account ages and future proofing, this is what I think we should try and do: Import Import Import Import Import Import Long Perlini Import Hook Import Betteridge Import Import Import Import Tetlow Import Import Gospel I think we’ve got a good case for attracting young Brits next season considering that this season both Ollie and Josh have been given solid minutes and have developed massively. Arguably, their progress can be seen as a beacon of hope in a dark season and I expect Ollie will be on his way to Slovakia. Lewis Hook is a player I think we could attract, give him an improved deal and he could effectively replace Lacho. I think we should try our hardest to get Long as well, offer him a better deal then he’s on at Manchester and we could potentially look at doing a swap deal for either Farmer and/or Lee. We've got to try and shake things up. I’d also bring Kelsall back as 13th forward and give him a chance to break into the lineup. I’d also continue to keep Hazeldine on a 2-way deal and try and give him more game time when possible. Ciaran Long has got to be our realistic No1 Brit target for next year......we’ve got tons of cash saved to make him an offer he couldn’t possibly refuse. Just think,two years worth of Clarkey’s top wages is what we could offer him next year,bearing in mind we’ve not even tried to replace Clarkey in our Brit pack for this season. That one quietly slipped through the net without anybody noticing didn’t it. 🤨
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Post by SteelerBlade on Feb 19, 2019 19:10:02 GMT
If we stick with the same rules for next season, take into account ages and future proofing, this is what I think we should try and do: Import Import Import Import Import Import Long Perlini Import Hook Import Betteridge Import Import Import Import Tetlow Import Import Gospel I think we’ve got a good case for attracting young Brits next season considering that this season both Ollie and Josh have been given solid minutes and have developed massively. Arguably, their progress can be seen as a beacon of hope in a dark season and I expect Ollie will be on his way to Slovakia. Lewis Hook is a player I think we could attract, give him an improved deal and he could effectively replace Lacho. I think we should try our hardest to get Long as well, offer him a better deal then he’s on at Manchester and we could potentially look at doing a swap deal for either Farmer and/or Lee. We've got to try and shake things up. I’d also bring Kelsall back as 13th forward and give him a chance to break into the lineup. I’d also continue to keep Hazeldine on a 2-way deal and try and give him more game time when possible. Ciaran Long has got to be our realistic No1 Brit target for next year......we’ve got tons of cash saved to make him an offer he couldn’t possibly refuse. Just think,two years worth of Clarkey’s top wages is what we could offer him next year,bearing in mind we’ve not even tried to replace Clarkey in our Brit pack for this season. That one quietly slipped through the net without anybody noticing didn’t it. 🤨 I think Long’s natural move is Nottingham. Manchester surely can’t compete when the big money comes calling for Brits. Cardiff don’t need him, Belfast is a big move personally, we won’t be in for him unless Johno retires.
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Feb 19, 2019 19:14:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 19:14:22 GMT
He's under contract for next year and brits are generally pretty loyal
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Feb 19, 2019 20:24:00 GMT
Post by iginla on Feb 19, 2019 20:24:00 GMT
He's under contract for next year and brits are generally pretty loyal Yep that’s the problem with Long but money does talk,when it’s an import who gets a better offer though contracts seem to mean sod all and we always get the old “we wouldn’t want to stand in his way” line trotted out,so what’s different for a Brit. Unless of course the old boys inner circle EIHL code of conduct comes into play where the powers that be like to see Brits evenly spread. In my view cobblers to that,this is where Panthers should use their financial muscle to get what they want.....but I won’t hold my breath !
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Feb 19, 2019 20:51:19 GMT
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Post by wgray on Feb 19, 2019 20:51:19 GMT
He's under contract for next year and brits are generally pretty loyal Yep that’s the problem with Long but money does talk,when it’s an import who gets a better offer though contracts seem to mean sod all and we always get the old “we wouldn’t want to stand in his way” line trotted out,so what’s different for a Brit. Unless of course the old boys inner circle EIHL code of conduct comes into play where the powers that be like to see Brits evenly spread. In my view cobblers to that,this is where Panthers should use their financial muscle to get what they want.....but I won’t hold my breath ! We could offer one of our Brits in return.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 19, 2019 21:08:56 GMT
Yep that’s the problem with Long but money does talk,when it’s an import who gets a better offer though contracts seem to mean sod all and we always get the old “we wouldn’t want to stand in his way” line trotted out,so what’s different for a Brit. Unless of course the old boys inner circle EIHL code of conduct comes into play where the powers that be like to see Brits evenly spread. In my view cobblers to that,this is where Panthers should use their financial muscle to get what they want.....but I won’t hold my breath ! We could offer one of our Brits in return. Why sour the deal?
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Post by iginla on Feb 19, 2019 21:13:18 GMT
Yep that’s the problem with Long but money does talk,when it’s an import who gets a better offer though contracts seem to mean sod all and we always get the old “we wouldn’t want to stand in his way” line trotted out,so what’s different for a Brit. Unless of course the old boys inner circle EIHL code of conduct comes into play where the powers that be like to see Brits evenly spread. In my view cobblers to that,this is where Panthers should use their financial muscle to get what they want.....but I won’t hold my breath ! We could offer one of our Brits in return. Haha I’d love to see Lacho playing in Manchester under Finnerty. That would give him the kick up the backside he’s needed for years. 🤣
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Feb 20, 2019 11:28:22 GMT
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Post by nottssogood on Feb 20, 2019 11:28:22 GMT
What interests me is the reasons why the Brit Pack (Ollie aside) have been pretty woeful this year, if it’s because they are coasting and not getting hurt so that they can make the plane to take on Conner McDavid etc then they are playing a very dangerous game. As I mentioned earlier, ALL except Ollie have questions to answer
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 12:21:39 GMT
What interests me is the reasons why the Brit Pack (Ollie aside) have been pretty woeful this year, if it’s because they are coasting and not getting hurt so that they can make the plane to take on Conner McDavid etc then they are playing a very dangerous game. As I mentioned earlier, ALL except Ollie have questions to answer That is exactly the reason most are taking it steady and not risking injury!! They are this as a once in a lifetime chance poor attitude but I expect nothing less from these brits
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Feb 20, 2019 12:32:01 GMT
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Post by wgray on Feb 20, 2019 12:32:01 GMT
We could offer one of our Brits in return. Why sour the deal? Good point!😂
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Post by iginla on Feb 20, 2019 13:51:10 GMT
What interests me is the reasons why the Brit Pack (Ollie aside) have been pretty woeful this year, if it’s because they are coasting and not getting hurt so that they can make the plane to take on Conner McDavid etc then they are playing a very dangerous game. As I mentioned earlier, ALL except Ollie have questions to answer That is exactly the reason most are taking it steady and not risking injury!! They are this as a once in a lifetime chance poor attitude but I expect nothing less from these brits I haven’t seen anybody complaining that the Devils,Giants and Steelers Brits are taking it easy because of the upcoming World Champs. And what about previous Panthers seasons,it’s not as if our Brits have just switched off this year is it ?
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Post by kievthegreat on Feb 21, 2019 6:35:52 GMT
He's under contract for next year and brits are generally pretty loyal Is he? I can only find stories that his contract was extended to cover this season, nothing about coming years. Besides I'd say offer Manchester a sweetener to let him go if he is under contract. I know they're not broke, but they're hardly rich either so a small fee might be tempting. Especially as Ciaran Long will be due a pay rise in his next contract.
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Post by loupowell52 on Feb 21, 2019 10:04:24 GMT
Release or sack Lachowicz, Perlini, Farmer and Lee. Give an opportunity to Hazeldine and Kelsall. Also, offer openings to other young Brits around the UK. There must be lads who would jump at the opportunity to pull on the Panthers uniform. I would welcome Batch and Swindlehurst with open arms. Also, tongue partly in cheek, splash the cash to get Ben O'Connor here from Sheffield. I am sure we could find his dad, Mike, a position as Dan Green's assistant !
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Feb 21, 2019 11:15:20 GMT
Post by Walitzer on Feb 21, 2019 11:15:20 GMT
Release or sack Lachowicz, Perlini, Farmer and Lee. Give an opportunity to Hazeldine and Kelsall. Also, offer openings to other young Brits around the UK. There must be lads who would jump at the opportunity to pull on the Panthers uniform. I completely agree, sack all the experieced Brits and give their positions to young prospects on £10 a week who can man the gate, warm the bench and fill up the water bottles. Seems to work well for Fife...
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Mar 8, 2019 7:55:54 GMT
Post by loupowell52 on Mar 8, 2019 7:55:54 GMT
And that is precisely why we have the current dross as our so called Brit Pack. We've got them so we'd best hang on to them attitude. Doesn't matter that we might be able to find better, doesn't matter what we are paying Macho and the rest, we have established British stars. Yuck, pass me the sick bucket. Show some initiative on the British player front. Other EIHL teams are prepared to give youngsters a chance but that seems beneath the Nottingham Club.
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Post by kievthegreat on Mar 8, 2019 20:06:14 GMT
Some League stats that some might find interesting:
Panther's Brits (Perlini, Farmer, Betteridge, Lee, Lacho, Tetlow and Hazeldine) - 33 + 31 + 16 + 11 + 9 + 4 + 0 = 104 points
Steeler's Brits (O'Connor, Dowd, J.Phillips, D.Phillips, Whistle, Griffin, Brown) - 34* + 29* + 23 + 7 + 1 + 0 + 0 = 94 points
Devil's Brits (Richardson, Myers, Batch, Moore, Duggan, Rutkis, Piggott) - 22 + 11 + 7 + 5 + 5 + 3 + 0 = 53 points
Giant's Brits (Hook, Garside, Shields, Boxill, Swindlehurst, Towe) - 16 + 11 + 10* + 6 + 5 + 0 = 48 Points
Storm's Brits (Long, Balmer, Barnes) - 50 + 3 + 2 = 55 points
Production of our Brits is pretty good. Only Steelers have a better producing Brit pack IMHO (see my asterisk at the bottom). Only thing I'd say is Our Defence isn't the strongest, very little points production and not all that defensively.
* Shields, Down and O'Connor are high scoring, but have missed sizeable chunks of the year. Prorated would give each of them an extra 10-12 points. PS. I didn't bother with low scoring players who missed a lot of time.
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Post by Shaggy on Mar 10, 2019 9:17:27 GMT
How dare you actually use facts instead of rhetoric and blind prejudice? Actually, what really surprises me is the comparatively poor points production of the Belfast and Cardiff British players...
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