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Post by iginla on Feb 17, 2019 11:22:26 GMT
It's the ST holders who come on here slagging everything Panthers from players to management off then are quick to renew come April thinking the next year will be better! By renewing they are accepting the standard of hockey they watch and are happy with the product. They are the reason and only reason why this club is a mess .. harsh but true What a load of crap. How can you blame what is going on with the team on the fans. It’s no wonder nobody takes you seriously. The fault is with club and how they use their resources. He’s got a point Lee. If the fans keep turning up happy to watch crap that’s what Panthers are going to keep giving you. They need a real clear out starting from Moran down. I don’t blame Black too much for the team culture because he’s pretty removed from every day stuff, but from GM down and through the office and back room staff and especially the Brit players that is what creates the team ethos and cushy culture and that’s what needs removing for this club to move on. New imports come in every year see the lazy Brits on high end money and must think WTF is this,why is this lazy distinctly average Brit getting paid more than me,sod this I’ll coast it. The common denominators that have been here for years are what is wrong with the Nottingham Panthers and they need to change !
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 17, 2019 11:28:34 GMT
Ending up feeling quite ill after the first and got my wife to pick me up from the pub. Clearly I was the lucky one.
Even before last night i'd made my mind up for the rest of the league season. My ST was passed to a friend. It's no protest as they already have my money. I've simply lost all enthusiasm for it.
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Post by kievthegreat on Feb 17, 2019 13:11:59 GMT
Ending up feeling quite ill after the first and got my wife to pick me up from the pub. Clearly I was the lucky one. Even before last night i'd made my mind up for the rest of the league season. My ST was passed to a friend. It's no protest as they already have my money. I've simply lost all enthusiasm for it. Do you still think he'll be your friend after that 'gift of 8 Panthers games?
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Post by pantherlee on Feb 17, 2019 13:17:36 GMT
What a load of crap. How can you blame what is going on with the team on the fans. It’s no wonder nobody takes you seriously. The fault is with club and how they use their resources. Listen to yourself! While crowds are up nothing will happen. Take 3000 away from that and see if the club take action. I've been around long enough to know how it works. I guess you haven't I don't need to thanks. What you say could be labelled to any sports team in the world. Its not up you or anyone else to tell fans to stay away to suit your own agenda. I also didn't hear this from you at the start of the season when you were full of praise for the hiring of Chernomaz and pretty much hailing him as the best thing since sliced bread and could do no wrong
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Post by pantherlee on Feb 17, 2019 13:27:48 GMT
What a load of crap. How can you blame what is going on with the team on the fans. It’s no wonder nobody takes you seriously. The fault is with club and how they use their resources. He’s got a point Lee. If the fans keep turning up happy to watch crap that’s what Panthers are going to keep giving you. They need a real clear out starting from Moran down. I don’t blame Black too much for the team culture because he’s pretty removed from every day stuff, but from GM down and through the office and back room staff and especially the Brit players that is what creates the team ethos and cushy culture and that’s what needs removing for this club to move on. New imports come in every year see the lazy Brits on high end money and must think WTF is this,why is this lazy distinctly average Brit getting paid more than me,sod this I’ll coast it. The common denominators that have been here for years are what is wrong with the Nottingham Panthers and they need to change ! I see what your saying and agree to a certain extent but the responsibility is down to the club not the fans. No one can tell fans to not turn up. I still turn up as i have a season ticket but it still doesn't mean I'm happy with what I'm watching. Mid season there is only so much the club can do. We hired Chernomaz at the start of the season who had the CV everyone including yourself had been asking for. Unfortunately it didn't work out and he has was given the boot but we're now stuck with a poor squad for the rest of the season. i agree with ethos and culture to a certain extent too and think a complete clearout of the coaching staff and GM is needed to make the club go forward and with the Brits. Lacho has long since had his day and is being put to shame by Ollie and Perlini is a shadow of the player he was last season and we should be making an effort to bring in Brits who are performing like Luke Ferrara and Ciaran Long
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 17, 2019 14:11:43 GMT
Website "THE NOTTINGHAM Panthers could be missing Chris Stewart (illness), as well as Dylan Olsen (lower body) and Jaynen Rissling (suspension) for Saturday’s game against the Steelers. News out of the PhysioDirect Treatment Room is that Stewart was admitted to hospital on Thursday, requiring IV antibiotics for a sudden onset illness. He’s now recovering, but it’s unlikely he’ll have recuperated in time for Saturday night." It doesn't seem as some have said that he is leaving/left at the moment Also on twitter in response to a tweet that Panthers players dont "F----- care' for Jon Rheault "This is our life,we don’t leave it “at work”. We carry this with us 24/7.Not only do we CARE and work hard to get better every day but we also have to do that under scrutiny of people like you.We care,want to win and want to make our fans happyLosing is the worst feeling there is" My point is that the negativity has gone over the top - at least on this site there are administrators to deal with the worst posts. If players did up and leave with the sort of abuse on twitter could you blame them? I think as fans we have a right to critic what we see on the ice. Far too often it does go beyond that and that's where the line should be drawn. I'm personally pleased to here a player say things like he has said there. After 20 odd years I still believe(perhaps nievely) that as proffesional sportsmen they go out there to give it there all. 95% of them at least. You'll always find the odd 1 or 2. Quite often it comes down to the other stuff in terms of coaching, club ethos etc. As much as many like to say otherwise they do go out there and put the effort in. Thursday was a prime example. To me they looked like they were having a real go at it(most people said there was no effort). The fact that we can't shoot anywhere other than at a goalies chest, or that we get out coached doesn't mean the players didn't try. Plenty needs to change at the club to move forward because I'll repeat myself again. Too many good players come here and fail for it to be about them or their effort levels.
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Post by pantherlee on Feb 17, 2019 15:03:41 GMT
Website "THE NOTTINGHAM Panthers could be missing Chris Stewart (illness), as well as Dylan Olsen (lower body) and Jaynen Rissling (suspension) for Saturday’s game against the Steelers. News out of the PhysioDirect Treatment Room is that Stewart was admitted to hospital on Thursday, requiring IV antibiotics for a sudden onset illness. He’s now recovering, but it’s unlikely he’ll have recuperated in time for Saturday night." It doesn't seem as some have said that he is leaving/left at the moment Also on twitter in response to a tweet that Panthers players dont "F----- care' for Jon Rheault "This is our life,we don’t leave it “at work”. We carry this with us 24/7.Not only do we CARE and work hard to get better every day but we also have to do that under scrutiny of people like you.We care,want to win and want to make our fans happyLosing is the worst feeling there is" My point is that the negativity has gone over the top - at least on this site there are administrators to deal with the worst posts. If players did up and leave with the sort of abuse on twitter could you blame them? I think as fans we have a right to critic what we see on the ice. Far too often it does go beyond that and that's where the line should be drawn. I'm personally pleased to here a player say things like he has said there. After 20 odd years I still believe(perhaps nievely) that as proffesional sportsmen they go out there to give it there all. 95% of them at least. You'll always find the odd 1 or 2. Quite often it comes down to the other stuff in terms of coaching, club ethos etc. As much as many like to say otherwise they do go out there and put the effort in. Thursday was a prime example. To me they looked like they were having a real go at it(most people said there was no effort). The fact that we can't shoot anywhere other than at a goalies chest, or that we get out coached doesn't mean the players didn't try. Plenty needs to change at the club to move forward because I'll repeat myself again. Too many good players come here and fail for it to be about them or their effort levels. 100% correct
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Post by iginla on Feb 17, 2019 15:35:53 GMT
Website "THE NOTTINGHAM Panthers could be missing Chris Stewart (illness), as well as Dylan Olsen (lower body) and Jaynen Rissling (suspension) for Saturday’s game against the Steelers. News out of the PhysioDirect Treatment Room is that Stewart was admitted to hospital on Thursday, requiring IV antibiotics for a sudden onset illness. He’s now recovering, but it’s unlikely he’ll have recuperated in time for Saturday night." It doesn't seem as some have said that he is leaving/left at the moment Also on twitter in response to a tweet that Panthers players dont "F----- care' for Jon Rheault "This is our life,we don’t leave it “at work”. We carry this with us 24/7.Not only do we CARE and work hard to get better every day but we also have to do that under scrutiny of people like you.We care,want to win and want to make our fans happyLosing is the worst feeling there is" My point is that the negativity has gone over the top - at least on this site there are administrators to deal with the worst posts. If players did up and leave with the sort of abuse on twitter could you blame them? I think as fans we have a right to critic what we see on the ice. Far too often it does go beyond that and that's where the line should be drawn. I'm personally pleased to here a player say things like he has said there. After 20 odd years I still believe(perhaps nievely) that as proffesional sportsmen they go out there to give it there all. 95% of them at least. You'll always find the odd 1 or 2. Quite often it comes down to the other stuff in terms of coaching, club ethos etc. As much as many like to say otherwise they do go out there and put the effort in. Thursday was a prime example. To me they looked like they were having a real go at it(most people said there was no effort). The fact that we can't shoot anywhere other than at a goalies chest, or that we get out coached doesn't mean the players didn't try. Plenty needs to change at the club to move forward because I'll repeat myself again. Too many good players come here and fail for it to be about them or their effort levels. I don’t see a lot wrong with what the guy said to Rheault on Twitter. He accused the players of not caring.....but whilst I’m sure some do care,from results that is what appears to be being seen on the ice. Even Strachs has said a couple of times in the most recent games that we were outworked,that is Rheault’s own coach saying that not a fan. If i was the guy on Twitter I’d have gone back to Rheault and said.... Ok Jon well you tell me why this Panthers team which looks pretty decent on paper is really struggling and has lost several more games than it has won. Explain what is wrong then Jon,because we “supposedly” have a very skilled team and you’re saying you care,so what is it then ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 16:08:14 GMT
Listen to yourself! While crowds are up nothing will happen. Take 3000 away from that and see if the club take action. I've been around long enough to know how it works. I guess you haven't I don't need to thanks. What you say could be labelled to any sports team in the world. Its not up you or anyone else to tell fans to stay away to suit your own agenda. I also didn't hear this from you at the start of the season when you were full of praise for the hiring of Chernomaz and pretty much hailing him as the best thing since sliced bread and could do no wrong The thing I was getting brassed off with Cherno that he was constantly scratching players for no apparent reason including our no1 offensive forward and top scorer ! ..btw we were still fairing better then than we are now under boring Strachan !
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Post by iginla on Feb 17, 2019 16:22:05 GMT
I don't need to thanks. What you say could be labelled to any sports team in the world. Its not up you or anyone else to tell fans to stay away to suit your own agenda. I also didn't hear this from you at the start of the season when you were full of praise for the hiring of Chernomaz and pretty much hailing him as the best thing since sliced bread and could do no wrong The thing I was getting brassed off with Cherno that he was constantly scratching players for no apparent reason including our no1 offensive forward and top scorer ! ..btw we were still fairing better then than we are now under boring Strachan ! I don’t disagree mate but there might just be a clue to those scratching decisions in last nights “Munson report”. While I was watching last nights game I kept thinking for God’s sake Guptill stop trying to do it all on your own....then Munson came on interviewing Kovacs in the break. As they say.....Many a true word spoken in Jest ! 😉 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 16:25:31 GMT
The thing I was getting brassed off with Cherno that he was constantly scratching players for no apparent reason including our no1 offensive forward and top scorer ! ..btw we were still fairing better then than we are now under boring Strachan ! I don’t disagree mate but there might just be a clue to those scratching decisions in last nights “Munson report”. While I was watching last nights game I kept thinking for God’s sake Guptill stop trying to do it all on your own....then Munson came on interviewing Kovacs in the break. As they say.....Many a true word spoken in Jest ! 😉 🤔 Didn't see any interview as I had no interest in the game itself.. what was said then mate?
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Post by iginla on Feb 17, 2019 16:33:39 GMT
I don’t disagree mate but there might just be a clue to those scratching decisions in last nights “Munson report”. While I was watching last nights game I kept thinking for God’s sake Guptill stop trying to do it all on your own....then Munson came on interviewing Kovacs in the break. As they say.....Many a true word spoken in Jest ! 😉 🤔 Didn't see any interview as I had no interest in the game itself.. what was said then mate? It’s on Panthers tv now. Kovacs said re Guptill that he had impressive body fat and that Guptill liked to think he’s the greatest of all time. 🤣
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Post by DJP on Feb 17, 2019 22:20:59 GMT
Panthers’ record since Strachan has been in charge (11 games):
League and CC combined (5 H, 6 A): P 11 RW 2 OTW 1 PSW 1 RL 7 PP 2/31 = 6.45% PK 9/36 = 75.00% GF 25 GA 38
League (4 H, 5 A): P 9 RW 2 OTW 1 PSW 1 RL 5 Pts 8/18 PP 1/29 = 3.45% PK 5/25 = 80.00% GF 22 GA 30
Last night was our first home League defeat under Strachan. We had previously had a three-game home winning run in the League (MK 2-1, Cardiff 2-1, Belfast 3-2 SO).
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Post by iginla on Feb 17, 2019 22:51:29 GMT
Panthers’ record since Strachan has been in charge (11 games): League and CC combined (5 H, 6 A): P 11 RW 2 OTW 1 PSW 1 RL 7 PP 2/31 = 6.45% PK 9/36 = 75.00% GF 25 GA 38 League (4 H, 5 A): P 9 RW 2 OTW 1 PSW 1 RL 5 Pts 8/18 PP 1/29 = 3.45% PK 5/25 = 80.00% GF 22 GA 30 Last night was our first home League defeat under Strachan. We had previously had a three-game home winning run in the League (MK 2-1, Cardiff 2-1, Belfast 3-2 SO). Jesus those numbers are absolutely appalling,especially the PP. 😳
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 11:32:09 GMT
I think as fans we have a right to critic what we see on the ice. Far too often it does go beyond that and that's where the line should be drawn. I'm personally pleased to here a player say things like he has said there. After 20 odd years I still believe(perhaps nievely) that as proffesional sportsmen they go out there to give it there all. 95% of them at least. You'll always find the odd 1 or 2. Quite often it comes down to the other stuff in terms of coaching, club ethos etc. As much as many like to say otherwise they do go out there and put the effort in. Thursday was a prime example. To me they looked like they were having a real go at it(most people said there was no effort). The fact that we can't shoot anywhere other than at a goalies chest, or that we get out coached doesn't mean the players didn't try. Plenty needs to change at the club to move forward because I'll repeat myself again. Too many good players come here and fail for it to be about them or their effort levels. I don’t see a lot wrong with what the guy said to Rheault on Twitter. He accused the players of not caring.....but whilst I’m sure some do care,from results that is what appears to be being seen on the ice. Even Strachs has said a couple of times in the most recent games that we were outworked,that is Rheault’s own coach saying that not a fan. If i was the guy on Twitter I’d have gone back to Rheault and said.... Ok Jon well you tell me why this Panthers team which looks pretty decent on paper is really struggling and has lost several more games than it has won. Explain what is wrong then Jon,because we “supposedly” have a very skilled team and you’re saying you care,so what is it then ? Like you Iginla I didn't see a huge amount wrong with the original tweet to Jon. It was a bit petulant but he pretty much said what we are all thinking at the moment and his tweet certainly wasn't abusive towards the player. For Jon to suggest that a tweet is partially to blame for our poor form was quite a stretch for him. I responded to his tweet with the following: "Dear Jon, I agree that you shouldn't be subject personal abuse for going about your daily job but can you honestly tell me that every single one of your team mates is giving their very best for the fans? That is why you are being questioned, because it's clear some of you aren't." I wanted to go into much more detail but alas, character limits prevented me from doing so on Twitter. If our players are so soft and sensitive that one sarcastic tweet is enough for them to suggest that said tweet can throw them off their game then I'm done with professional athletes. I'm sick of hearing excuses. I keep seeing people on Twitter talking about how fans are being abusive to players on that platform, I have yet to see one tweet like this aimed at our players. I've seen a few from other clubs but we appear to be remarkably well behaved online in this respect so the conversation is redundant. If a player doesn't want to be asked awkward questions then set your account status to protected and only have followers you approve of. Don't go on a public platform, give 100% access to your account and complain when somebody asks you an uncomfortable, yet perfectly valid, question. The game on Saturday was just more of the same. Was happy with the effort after the first period but after that there was nothing. Put a fork in this roster, it's done. No characters, no leaders, Brits who are way past their sell by date with the exception of a couple and honestly they look like the whole side just don't care. If Jon Rheault disagrees with that last part then I'd love him to send me some evidence of how I'm wrong but I know I'm much more likely to receive a response saying how I'm making his day so much harder. I'd love to see us hire a GM and a coach who demands the very best from the players and staff. If you offered me a 3rd placed team next year who gave their all every single game then I'd probably take it. I take no pride in this side and they as a collective take no pride in their own performance either.
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Post by John Casey on Feb 18, 2019 17:40:42 GMT
Other than not taking some of the numerous chances, I actually liked what I saw in the 1st Period. It was what i wanted to see from The Panthers.
That's what made what happened in the other 2 periods that annoyed more than usual
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Post by bobness on Feb 18, 2019 18:40:28 GMT
Panthers’ record since Strachan has been in charge (11 games): League and CC combined (5 H, 6 A): P 11 RW 2 OTW 1 PSW 1 RL 7 PP 2/31 = 6.45% PK 9/36 = 75.00% GF 25 GA 38 League (4 H, 5 A): P 9 RW 2 OTW 1 PSW 1 RL 5 Pts 8/18 PP 1/29 = 3.45% PK 5/25 = 80.00% GF 22 GA 30 Last night was our first home League defeat under Strachan. We had previously had a three-game home winning run in the League (MK 2-1, Cardiff 2-1, Belfast 3-2 SO). Jesus those numbers are absolutely appalling,especially the PP. 😳 The PP is 0 for the last 26, starting from second period in the first leg of the cup semi. In the same time, the PK is 20 for 26. Ouch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 19:04:38 GMT
Panthers’ record since Strachan has been in charge (11 games): League and CC combined (5 H, 6 A): P 11 RW 2 OTW 1 PSW 1 RL 7 PP 2/31 = 6.45% PK 9/36 = 75.00% GF 25 GA 38 League (4 H, 5 A): P 9 RW 2 OTW 1 PSW 1 RL 5 Pts 8/18 PP 1/29 = 3.45% PK 5/25 = 80.00% GF 22 GA 30 Last night was our first home League defeat under Strachan. We had previously had a three-game home winning run in the League (MK 2-1, Cardiff 2-1, Belfast 3-2 SO). Jesus those numbers are absolutely appalling,especially the PP. 😳 What the bloody hell do they do in training !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 18, 2019 19:38:17 GMT
Jesus those numbers are absolutely appalling,especially the PP. 😳 What the bloody hell do they do in training ! General knowledge?
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