loupowell52
Robert Lachowicz
Grape Aficionado
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Post by loupowell52 on Feb 15, 2019 7:44:37 GMT
Looks like Panthers defence have already decided that there is no place for physicality in hockey. Need to preserve their 'good looks' for the next quiz night and posing for their respective Shirt Off Backs fan pics.
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iginla
Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on Feb 15, 2019 9:05:22 GMT
Looks like Panthers defence have already decided that there is no place for physicality in hockey. Need to preserve their 'good looks' for the next quiz night and posing for their respective Shirt Off Backs fan pics. Well it is almost always a lady or a girl that wins the “Shirt off your back” thingy so you gotta look good for the pic ya know. Although why ladies want an Xxxl shirt I’m not quite sure. Do any men actually buy tickets for this ? 🙃 Lol
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Post by bobness on Feb 15, 2019 9:11:03 GMT
I look forward to reading the list you propose. Or are you arguing that Rissling should have been suspended for the hit on Venus? It must have had the potential to cause injury, as it did, in fact, cause injury. So, despite it being a legal check, it had the potential to cause injury, so he should've been suspended? Rissling's hit on Venus was deemed clean - No ban. Rissling's hit on Mosey was deemed dirty - A ban. The injuries sustained by Venus & Mosey should have no correlation to either the judgement of the hits or any ban length forthcoming from those judgements. Yes. But it's the potential to cause injury, you argued above, You should never ban someone on the basis of the injury sustained. It's the judged severity of the action & the damage it could cause as opposed to did/has caused. that should have a bearing, and that I agree with. The issue is, any hit that actually injures, by definition must have had the potential to injure. So any illegal hit that causes an actual injury can be treated differently from one that didn't. (It doesn't have to be, but it can be) One 100% had the potential to injure, the other is 100% debateable. And then there's the whole subjectivity thing, where you draw the line. You just can't have hard and fast rules for this kind of thing. For example, you can have a nice, sensible rule that says all stewards at Panthers games must be sacked for punching a guest. But what if they punched them in order to subdue them to enable the steward to administer life-saving medical care to another guest, that the first guest was preventing happening? That's the same cause, but you'd hope not the same outcome for the steward. We could go on, but the bottom line is that DOPS has a difficult job to do in situations like this. You, like me, would argue that they could do it a lot better. But they'll never please all people all the time. I'd imagine had the Rissling/Mosey roles been reversed there'd be a very different debate being had. Look on the bright side, the decision has hardly affected the success of Panthers' season has it?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 15, 2019 9:37:52 GMT
Looks like Panthers defence have already decided that there is no place for physicality in hockey. Need to preserve their 'good looks' for the next quiz night and posing for their respective Shirt Off Backs fan pics. Well it is almost always a lady or a girl that wins the “Shirt off your back” thingy so you gotta look good for the pic ya know. Although why ladies want an Xxxl shirt I’m not quite sure. Do any men actually buy tickets for this ? 🙃 Lol I don’t wear a Panthers top so I’m not buying a ticket to win something to give away.
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Jord v4
Ken Westman
Harbinger of Doom
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Post by Jord v4 on Feb 15, 2019 15:04:26 GMT
Rissling's hit on Venus was deemed clean - No ban. Rissling's hit on Mosey was deemed dirty - A ban. The injuries sustained by Venus & Mosey should have no correlation to either the judgement of the hits or any ban length forthcoming from those judgements. Yes. But it's the potential to cause injury, you argued above, You should never ban someone on the basis of the injury sustained. It's the judged severity of the action & the damage it could cause as opposed to did/has caused. that should have a bearing, and that I agree with. The issue is, any hit that actually injures, by definition must have had the potential to injure. So any illegal hit that causes an actual injury can be treated differently from one that didn't. (It doesn't have to be, but it can be) One 100% had the potential to injure, the other is 100% debateable. And then there's the whole subjectivity thing, where you draw the line. You just can't have hard and fast rules for this kind of thing. For example, you can have a nice, sensible rule that says all stewards at Panthers games must be sacked for punching a guest. But what if they punched them in order to subdue them to enable the steward to administer life-saving medical care to another guest, that the first guest was preventing happening? That's the same cause, but you'd hope not the same outcome for the steward. We could go on, but the bottom line is that DOPS has a difficult job to do in situations like this. You, like me, would argue that they could do it a lot better. But they'll never please all people all the time. I'd imagine had the Rissling/Mosey roles been reversed there'd be a very different debate being had. Look on the bright side, the decision has hardly affected the success of Panthers' season has it? You can't compare stewardship or any other everyday human envorinment to what should be a controlled sports org.
Other than that we are agreeing I'd say.... Or at least to a level where going any further will lead to logical symantics.
Regarding Panthers, man... I gave up long ago for this season. Roughly around October time. I agree that to complain about DOPS is missing the picture completely.... Although it is fun to poke certain teams' fanbase, obviously.
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Post by bobness on Feb 15, 2019 15:11:08 GMT
Yes. But it's the potential to cause injury, you argued above, that should have a bearing, and that I agree with. The issue is, any hit that actually injures, by definition must have had the potential to injure. So any illegal hit that causes an actual injury can be treated differently from one that didn't. (It doesn't have to be, but it can be) One 100% had the potential to injure, the other is 100% debateable. And then there's the whole subjectivity thing, where you draw the line. You just can't have hard and fast rules for this kind of thing. For example, you can have a nice, sensible rule that says all stewards at Panthers games must be sacked for punching a guest. But what if they punched them in order to subdue them to enable the steward to administer life-saving medical care to another guest, that the first guest was preventing happening? That's the same cause, but you'd hope not the same outcome for the steward. We could go on, but the bottom line is that DOPS has a difficult job to do in situations like this. You, like me, would argue that they could do it a lot better. But they'll never please all people all the time. I'd imagine had the Rissling/Mosey roles been reversed there'd be a very different debate being had. Look on the bright side, the decision has hardly affected the success of Panthers' season has it? You can't compare stewardship or any other everyday human envorinment to what should be a controlled sports org.
Other than that we are agreeing I'd say.... Or at least to a level where going any further will lead to logical symantics.
Regarding Panthers, man... I gave up long ago for this season. Roughly around October time. I agree that to complain about DOPS is missing the picture completely.... Although it is fun to poke certain teams' fanbase, obviously.
Agree, we are in danger of disappearing somewhere where we know the sun don't shine. Good to engage in some actual reasoned debate for once...
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Jord v4
Ken Westman
Harbinger of Doom
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Post by Jord v4 on Feb 15, 2019 15:45:16 GMT
You can't compare stewardship or any other everyday human envorinment to what should be a controlled sports org.
Other than that we are agreeing I'd say.... Or at least to a level where going any further will lead to logical symantics.
Regarding Panthers, man... I gave up long ago for this season. Roughly around October time. I agree that to complain about DOPS is missing the picture completely.... Although it is fun to poke certain teams' fanbase, obviously.
Agree, we are in danger of disappearing somewhere where we know the sun don't shine. Good to engage in some actual reasoned debate for once... Apologies for this... I'll revert back to type with the Mardiff stuff, ITK rubbish, etc.
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Post by bobness on Feb 15, 2019 17:03:14 GMT
Agree, we are in danger of disappearing somewhere where we know the sun don't shine. Good to engage in some actual reasoned debate for once... Apologies for this... I'll revert back to type with the Mardiff stuff, ITK rubbish, etc. I'm already looking forward to it. I'll analyse the "Mardiff quotient" on your posts of the last fortnight over the weekend...
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