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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 11:45:25 GMT
Deep down I thought Rissling would get a ban but 6 games is ridiculous. There is contact with the head due to the size difference, but from that video footage how can they categorically say the head was the initial point of contact? The statement contradicts itself as well, “With time, space and speed all taken into consideration, it is felt in the opinion of the DOPS that #93 Jaynen Rissling did not have time and was not deliberately or intentionally making a body check with head contact. However, in all incidents, when an illegal action occurs that is avoidable, the responsibility is on the checker to avoid head contact.” So they’re saying he’s not intentionally checked him to the head but he should still avoid head contact? Part of me is saying take it on the chin and move on, but in all honesty I hope we request a review and try to get the ban reduced. Cannot Be appealed! eliteleague.co.uk/dops-home/department-of-player-safety-faqs/
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 29, 2019 11:50:42 GMT
Deep down I thought Rissling would get a ban but 6 games is ridiculous. There is contact with the head due to the size difference, but from that video footage how can they categorically say the head was the initial point of contact? The statement contradicts itself as well, “With time, space and speed all taken into consideration, it is felt in the opinion of the DOPS that #93 Jaynen Rissling did not have time and was not deliberately or intentionally making a body check with head contact. However, in all incidents, when an illegal action occurs that is avoidable, the responsibility is on the checker to avoid head contact.” So they’re saying he’s not intentionally checked him to the head but he should still avoid head contact? Part of me is saying take it on the chin and move on, but in all honesty I hope we request a review and try to get the ban reduced. Cannot Be appealed! eliteleague.co.uk/dops-home/department-of-player-safety-faqs/Take it on the chin (no pun inteneded), move on, make sure we definitely lose all games against Belfast.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 29, 2019 11:51:21 GMT
Shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by ojlloyd on Jan 29, 2019 11:52:05 GMT
What a surprise there's no welsh on here moaning today giving their 'opinion' 🙄 Seems pretty fair to me. I’m still amazed that 90% of Panthers fans can’t see the hit to the head. Hope our boys are buying Ulmer all the beer he can drink for taking a pasting and a ban.
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Post by iginla on Jan 29, 2019 11:59:14 GMT
What a surprise there's no welsh on here moaning today giving their 'opinion' 🙄 Seems pretty fair to me. I’m still amazed that 90% of Panthers fans can’t see the hit to the head. Hope our boys are buying Ulmer all the beer he can drink for taking a pasting and a ban. Because it wasn’t a hit to the head there is no conclusive proof....Dops guessed ! How’s Moseys black eye today,think today’s Dops video clearly shows he was lying about where he got hit because it most certainly wasn’t the eye or face.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 29, 2019 12:03:30 GMT
Take it on the chin (no pun inteneded), move on, make sure we definitely lose all games against Belfast.
100% this
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Post by wgray on Jan 29, 2019 12:08:38 GMT
What a surprise there's no welsh on here moaning today giving their 'opinion' 🙄 Seems pretty fair to me. I’m still amazed that 90% of Panthers fans can’t see the hit to the head. Hope our boys are buying Ulmer all the beer he can drink for taking a pasting and a ban. There is contact with the head, of course there is going to be due to the height difference and Mosey’s stance, but DOPS can’t 100% guarantee from that footage that his head was initial POC. They also state that any head contact was unintentional. 6 games is harsh.
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Post by wgray on Jan 29, 2019 12:09:41 GMT
Deep down I thought Rissling would get a ban but 6 games is ridiculous. There is contact with the head due to the size difference, but from that video footage how can they categorically say the head was the initial point of contact? The statement contradicts itself as well, “With time, space and speed all taken into consideration, it is felt in the opinion of the DOPS that #93 Jaynen Rissling did not have time and was not deliberately or intentionally making a body check with head contact. However, in all incidents, when an illegal action occurs that is avoidable, the responsibility is on the checker to avoid head contact.” So they’re saying he’s not intentionally checked him to the head but he should still avoid head contact? Part of me is saying take it on the chin and move on, but in all honesty I hope we request a review and try to get the ban reduced. Cannot Be appealed! eliteleague.co.uk/dops-home/department-of-player-safety-faqs/ Fair enough Picko.
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Post by ojlloyd on Jan 29, 2019 12:09:54 GMT
Seems pretty fair to me. I’m still amazed that 90% of Panthers fans can’t see the hit to the head. Hope our boys are buying Ulmer all the beer he can drink for taking a pasting and a ban. Because it wasn’t a hit to the head there is no conclusive proof....Dops guessed ! How’s Moseys black eye today,think today’s Dops video clearly shows he was lying about where he got hit because it most certainly wasn’t the eye or face. So, from footage you say isn’t good enough to show that Mosey took a check to the head, you have decided to label him a liar? Apart from the fact that there are stills of the contact, why would he lie? We don’t play Panthers again, and Panthers are out of the title race. Time to take off the Panthers specs.
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Post by iginla on Jan 29, 2019 12:13:56 GMT
Seems pretty fair to me. I’m still amazed that 90% of Panthers fans can’t see the hit to the head. Hope our boys are buying Ulmer all the beer he can drink for taking a pasting and a ban. There is contact with the head, of course there is going to be due to the height difference and Mosey’s stance, but DOPS can’t 100% guarantee from that footage that his head was initial POC. They also state that any head contact was unintentional. 6 games is harsh. Not if Rissling is bent down there doesn’t have to be a height difference. And why can’t it be appealed.....Marsh appealed his initial 5 game ban,have they changed the rules ? I see no reference to the refs “no call” on the night either,crikey if they had called it DOPS would have been all over the “call on the ice” stands etc etc.
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Post by Carnell on Jan 29, 2019 12:16:11 GMT
And why can’t it be appealed.....Marsh appealed his initial 5 game ban,have they changed the rules ? On the DOPS FAQ page, states if the suspension is 8 games or more, then you can appeal. A ban of 7 games or less cannot be appealed
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 29, 2019 12:20:20 GMT
The appeal rules were changed, Iggy. Presume this off season or the season before.
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Post by Discoray on Jan 29, 2019 12:21:38 GMT
Deep down I thought Rissling would get a ban but 6 games is ridiculous. There is contact with the head due to the size difference, but from that video footage how can they categorically say the head was the initial point of contact? There is no such thing as "clean" contact to the head, and height differences cannot ever be used as a reason/excuse. Both the NHL/IIHF have run with those conventions long before DOPS in the EIHL came to be. One can argue over the length of the ban (I thought 4 games would be enough) but there was never going to be any question a ban was coming.
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Post by iginla on Jan 29, 2019 12:33:01 GMT
Because it wasn’t a hit to the head there is no conclusive proof....Dops guessed ! How’s Moseys black eye today,think today’s Dops video clearly shows he was lying about where he got hit because it most certainly wasn’t the eye or face. So, from footage you say isn’t good enough to show that Mosey took a check to the head, you have decided to label him a liar? Apart from the fact that there are stills of the contact, why would he lie? We don’t play Panthers again, and Panthers are out of the title race. Time to take off the Panthers specs. There is no 100% proof that was a head hit,it’s just not clear enough.....so they’ve guessed. What you can see though is it definitely wasn’t primarily to his face,at worst it was possibly chin,but in my opinion chest/shoulder first then maybe chin secondary. According to you Devils fans Mosey twittered he got hit in the eye. Crikey if i was in court on a charge i wouldn’t want you on the jury,convicting me because i “might” have committed a crime. What happened to being certain beyond reasonable doubt before convicting somebody ?
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 29, 2019 12:36:02 GMT
Doesn't say much for 'Hollywood Darnell' either, does it...
Missed a call that DOPS have deemed as 6 games ban worthy.
I trust he will be reminded what his repsonsibilities are.
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Post by claretgiant on Jan 29, 2019 12:46:56 GMT
Please can someone explain to me because it might be me being naïve. How can he get additional games for being a repeat offender when the hit on Venus didn’t even get him a ban at all from memory? Are they classing it as a repeat offence because Venus spent time out injured? If he’d been banned once for a couple games then the repeat offence take would make more sense surely? Again, I get it if I’ve missed something or misinterpreted something but I’m confused! it was for the elbow on Martinelli (shown in video explanation)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 12:51:24 GMT
So, from footage you say isn’t good enough to show that Mosey took a check to the head, you have decided to label him a liar? Apart from the fact that there are stills of the contact, why would he lie? We don’t play Panthers again, and Panthers are out of the title race. Time to take off the Panthers specs. There is no 100% proof that was a head hit,it’s just not clear enough.....so they’ve guessed. What you can see though is it definitely wasn’t primarily to his face,at worst it was possibly chin,but in my opinion chest/shoulder first then maybe chin secondary. According to you Devils fans Mosey twittered he got hit in the eye. Crikey if i was in court on a charge i wouldn’t want you on the jury,convicting me because i “might” have committed a crime. What happened to being certain beyond reasonable doubt before convicting somebody ? Didn't you know the eihl have and always will make up the rules as they go along.. no wonder decent players don't want to come here ... Or return here !
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Post by ojlloyd on Jan 29, 2019 12:55:34 GMT
So, from footage you say isn’t good enough to show that Mosey took a check to the head, you have decided to label him a liar? Apart from the fact that there are stills of the contact, why would he lie? We don’t play Panthers again, and Panthers are out of the title race. Time to take off the Panthers specs. There is no 100% proof that was a head hit,it’s just not clear enough.....so they’ve guessed. What you can see though is it definitely wasn’t primarily to his face,at worst it was possibly chin,but in my opinion chest/shoulder first then maybe chin secondary. According to you Devils fans Mosey twittered he got hit in the eye. Crikey if i was in court on a charge i wouldn’t want you on the jury,convicting me because i “might” have committed a crime. What happened to being certain beyond reasonable doubt before convicting somebody ? He got hit in the face. It’s all over twitter, still photos from the footage where you can clearly see contact between face and shoulder. You’re either avoiding them on purpose or you genuinely haven’t seen them. If it’s the latter I’d advise you go check them out. I haven’t seen fans from other teams calling this hit acceptable, only Panthers fans. I’d also relax a bit about convicting anyone, this isn’t the criminal court system, I can’t imagine DOPS’ evidential standard is anywhere near that. The blown call by the refs was probably because it was all at very high speed, but it doesn’t make them look the best.
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Post by claretgiant on Jan 29, 2019 12:58:55 GMT
Oh my oh my. Now the league announce the reasons. They stated "This puts the responsibility on #93 Jaynen Rissling to avoid head contact. Instead, the check missed the body of the opposing player and all the contact and force was expelled through the head of the opposing player." So one of 3 options. 1. They havn't watched it all. 2. They havn't taken the time to watch it slow motion and see initial contact wasnt to the head. 3. They are just chosing to ignore the facts and lie through the statement due to the injury. If they mentioned perhaps use of elbows or something for the reason then I can see that is open to interpritation. Principal point of contact wasn't the head. Fact. my initial reaction when I saw the hit was that Mosey skates in with his head down and Rissling intercepted him in the slot and initial contact was the shoulder. Having watched DOPs video slo mo it looks to me as though the initial contact is the chest, spinning Mosey around which ended in his head hitting the ice which I suspect was the reason he was knocked out. IMO the 6 games is harsh, but then again this is DOPs...we all know they often don't know their left from their right most of the time.....e.g 2 games for the Marsh hit, and the 2 games for the Fretter assault on Goulakos
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Post by jk on Jan 29, 2019 13:13:53 GMT
What a surprise there's no welsh on here moaning today giving their 'opinion' 🙄 I have been on here constantly. I never gave my opinion on the hit And don't intend to. It would only be ripped apart. You seem to think that Cardiff fans are the only ones who moan/whine etc.....you really should read your own forum and other teams forums when something happens. I fully expected the Panthers fans to say the hit was clean/ legal and the Devils fans to think the opposite, you seem to be shocked by this. The Devils have been on the end of crap decisions by DOPS/the league over the years. Just gotta accept it and move on.
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Post by nottinghamsenator on Jan 29, 2019 13:49:51 GMT
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 29, 2019 13:54:17 GMT
Really pleased to see the club make a statement like this. They've even highlighted the inconsistancy from DOPS. Well done Panthers for sharing a view rather than nothing.
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Post by iginla on Jan 29, 2019 13:56:43 GMT
There is no 100% proof that was a head hit,it’s just not clear enough.....so they’ve guessed. What you can see though is it definitely wasn’t primarily to his face,at worst it was possibly chin,but in my opinion chest/shoulder first then maybe chin secondary. According to you Devils fans Mosey twittered he got hit in the eye. Crikey if i was in court on a charge i wouldn’t want you on the jury,convicting me because i “might” have committed a crime. What happened to being certain beyond reasonable doubt before convicting somebody ? He got hit in the face. It’s all over twitter, still photos from the footage where you can clearly see contact between face and shoulder. You’re either avoiding them on purpose or you genuinely haven’t seen them. If it’s the latter I’d advise you go check them out. I haven’t seen fans from other teams calling this hit acceptable, only Panthers fans. I’d also relax a bit about convicting anyone, this isn’t the criminal court system, I can’t imagine DOPS’ evidential standard is anywhere near that. The blown call by the refs was probably because it was all at very high speed, but it doesn’t make them look the best. I don’t do twitter so no I haven’t seen it. But a still shot confirms absolutely nothing in a case where movement is involved because you can just use the picture that suits your purpose. In football if a player goes for a tackle and wins the ball cleanly first then follows through accidentally and breaks an opponents leg he would be not guilty,but if you simply produced a still shot of the moment of impact with the guys leg that looks totally different , As for other teams,not that it matters a jot but I think we’ve had one on here so far,from Belfast and he takes exactly the same view I do that it was chest first.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 29, 2019 13:59:12 GMT
That's a great statement from the club. Especially regarding Ulmer over first not believing a ban was required but then highlighting the clear inconsistency with the length of ban handed out to the Mardiff player.
Very well done Panthers.
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Post by panthers_nyr on Jan 29, 2019 14:01:14 GMT
He got hit in the face. It’s all over twitter, still photos from the footage where you can clearly see contact between face and shoulder. You’re either avoiding them on purpose or you genuinely haven’t seen them. If it’s the latter I’d advise you go check them out. I haven’t seen fans from other teams calling this hit acceptable, only Panthers fans. I’d also relax a bit about convicting anyone, this isn’t the criminal court system, I can’t imagine DOPS’ evidential standard is anywhere near that. The blown call by the refs was probably because it was all at very high speed, but it doesn’t make them look the best. I don’t do twitter so no I haven’t seen it. But a still shot confirms absolutely nothing in a case where movement is involved because you can just use the picture that suits your purpose. In football if a player goes for a tackle and wins the ball cleanly first then follows through accidentally and breaks an opponents leg he would be not guilty,but if you simply produced a still shot of the moment of impact with the guys leg that looks totally different , As for other teams,not that it matters a jot but I think we’ve had one on here so far,from Belfast and he takes exactly the same view I do that it was chest first. Good point Iggy. Along with other team fans I’ve actually seen quite a few devils fans who think it’s a good hit, also chatting to a Cardiff fan in the pub after and we rewatched it plenty of times and he thought it was a perfectly good hit!
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