Discoray
Robert Lachowicz
Simply Clantastic!
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Post by Discoray on Jan 7, 2019 12:27:42 GMT
I doubt anyone knows, but how many penalties have we taken for hitting? I can't remember too many boarding calls, or late hit calls, and the biggest we've seen all year (Rissling) wasn't called, despite the recipient being injured. Blaming the refs because the team can't maintain the effort required to play that way seems like an easy out for coach and team. There is only the numbers, not the full break down but Panthers have the most 10 min penalties (11) and are joint 2nd for highest number of major penalties (15). Panthers are 3rd overall in total PIMs (657) and avaerage PIMs per game (16.85).
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Post by barmyarmy on Jan 7, 2019 12:37:14 GMT
You can pretty much tell how the ref is going to call the game with in the first 5mins,
A few games I been to this season a player has laid a hit and been called for it. So why then a few shifts later is a different player trying to do the same thing knowing he’s going to get penalised,
They are professional athletes surely they can change it up a little bit?
If the refs are letting the game flow then fine keep doing what your doing,
If he isn’t and calls you for everything, try not to get involved and use your skill speed positioning etc to win the game
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Post by bobness on Jan 7, 2019 16:53:49 GMT
I doubt anyone knows, but how many penalties have we taken for hitting? I can't remember too many boarding calls, or late hit calls, and the biggest we've seen all year (Rissling) wasn't called, despite the recipient being injured. Blaming the refs because the team can't maintain the effort required to play that way seems like an easy out for coach and team. I know. Depends on what do you define as "hitting". There have been... 6 boarding calls (2 each to Biggs and Lepine, 1 each to Hughes and Bolduc) 4 charging calls (Doty, VanKleef, Lepine and Farmer), and 3 late hit calls (Doty, Lepine, Rissling).
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iginla
Chick Zamick
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Post by iginla on Jan 7, 2019 17:01:34 GMT
I doubt anyone knows, but how many penalties have we taken for hitting? I can't remember too many boarding calls, or late hit calls, and the biggest we've seen all year (Rissling) wasn't called, despite the recipient being injured. Blaming the refs because the team can't maintain the effort required to play that way seems like an easy out for coach and team. I know. Depends on what do you define as "hitting". There have been... 6 boarding calls (2 each to Biggs and Lepine, 1 each to Hughes and Bolduc) 4 charging calls (Doty, VanKleef, Lepine and Farmer), and 3 late hit calls (Doty, Lepine, Rissling). So that’s about one penalised hit every three games. I’d say that dispels the rumour that we dare not hit because those numbers are nothing out of the ordinary. Now can you do all the other teams please Bob. 😀 Lol
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Post by bobness on Jan 7, 2019 17:03:20 GMT
I doubt anyone knows, but how many penalties have we taken for hitting? I can't remember too many boarding calls, or late hit calls, and the biggest we've seen all year (Rissling) wasn't called, despite the recipient being injured. Blaming the refs because the team can't maintain the effort required to play that way seems like an easy out for coach and team. There is only the numbers, not the full break down but Panthers have the most 10 min penalties (11) and are joint 2nd for highest number of major penalties (15). Panthers are 3rd overall in total PIMs (657) and avaerage PIMs per game (16.85). Well, up to and including last night, 5 2+10s for boarding 2 2+10 instigators 2 10s for AOO and 2 10s for USC. There's also a 2+10 boarding in the cup. There have been 16 majors altogether. In the league, 12 fighting, 1 each of cross checking roughing and spearing. There's also a fighting major in the cup. 657 league PIMs taken, and 83 PIMs in the cup too. 498 and 78 are the numbers the other way.
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Post by bobness on Jan 7, 2019 17:04:25 GMT
I know. Depends on what do you define as "hitting". There have been... 6 boarding calls (2 each to Biggs and Lepine, 1 each to Hughes and Bolduc) 4 charging calls (Doty, VanKleef, Lepine and Farmer), and 3 late hit calls (Doty, Lepine, Rissling). So that’s about one penalised hit every three games. I’d say that dispels the rumour that we dare not hit because those numbers are nothing out of the ordinary. Now can you do all the other teams please Bob. 😀 Lol I wish I had the time...
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Post by bobness on Jan 7, 2019 17:08:51 GMT
Finally... In the league so far. 185 minors 2 double minors 7 2+10s 11 majors 4 misconducts 4 5+Games.
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DJP
Jade Galbraith
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Post by DJP on Jan 8, 2019 1:25:21 GMT
Our PIM per game average in the League this year is 16.85 (Manchester 23.37, MK 18.67, everyone else 13.85 or below, down to Dundee with 10.14; League average 14.49). We have the second-highest number of minors (196 vs Manchester's 214; range 129-214), the joint second-highest number of majors with MK (15 vs Manchester's 22; range 5-22) and the highest number of 10-min misconducts (11; range 2-11). Manchester have 11 game misconducts (MK 6, ourselves 4, everyone else 3 or fewer). We have, however, played more games than anyone else (six more in two cases and at least three more in all cases), with a significantly higher proportion of 10-misconducts skewing the figures to a degree. On average, the eight teams below us in terms of PIM per game have attracted between 1.5 and 3.3 fewer minors per game than ourselves. (Acknowledgement to EIHL website stats).
Over the League and CC campaign, we have been on the PP 152 times (31 goals; 20.39%) and the PK 218 times (34 goals; 82.10%).
Over the last 10 League games, the figures are PIM 157-64, with a PP of 5/30 = 16.67% and a PK of 6/46 = 86.96% (the PK% an outstanding figure, the PP% not so).
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Post by bobness on Jan 8, 2019 11:22:31 GMT
I have slightly different stats to the league regarding PPs and PKs. By my reckoning League PP = 27/143 = 18.88%, 12,879 seconds on the PP Cup PP = 4/18 = 22.22%, 1,932 seconds on the PP Total PP = 31/161 = 19.25%, 14,811 seconds on the PP League PK = 156/187 = 83.42%, 17,814 seconds on the PK Cup PK = 30/33 = 90.91%, 3,162 seconds on the PP Total PK = 186/220 = 84.55%, 20,976 seconds on the PP So far, Panthers have spent an entire game and three quarters (nearly) more on the PK than the PP. This may not actually be a bad thing, though. Convert all your PPs in 10 seconds, and kill all your penalties, and that's bound to be the case. Problem is, Panthers give away far more (37%) PP chances to the opposition than they create. Last 10 league games PP 5/31, 16.13%. PK 41/47, 87.23% PK is indeed very good lately, but PP not so much. The league and I get slightly different PP and PK "chances", but I know the league's are in error on occasion, seeming to be sometimes be more related to the number of penalties than the number of actual powerplays. For example, player A takes a minor at 5.21, player B takes a minor at 6.52. That means there are 3 powerplays from the 2 penalties (assuming the opposition don't score). I can tell you the cause, time, duration and outcome of every one of those PPs above. I'm not sure the league can. elite.wttstats.pointstreak.com/boxscore.html?gameid=3344428For example, have a look at this game. Apparently MK had 3 PPs in this game, despite Panthers only taking one minor all game, and Panthers are shown as 1 for 3, despite in fact having 4 powerplays, 1 from each minor MK took.
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DJP
Jade Galbraith
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Post by DJP on Jan 8, 2019 12:48:01 GMT
I completely agree with you re the (partial) unreliability of League stats, bobness, and defer to your comprehensive analysis, for which we should all be extremely grateful. In the absence of 100% personally recorded and verifiable stats, I was using the Pointstreak data more in an illustrative/comparative way and I think that, whatever the discrepancy in figures, we are reaching the same sort of conclusions.
By the way, your analysis of the complex penalty situation in the Fife game on Saturday was correct, although I am still trying to work out whether this episode and the other penalties we took all amounted to 7 PKs as the Pointstreak box score claimed! I was almost convinced at one point that we had too many men on the ice for a significant period during the sequence of concurrent penalties but have no way of recreating the real-time situation (and no-one else seemed to be hollering at the time) so, as we came out of it 6-1 down anyway, maybe it's time to move on ...
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Post by bobness on Jan 8, 2019 13:48:27 GMT
I completely agree with you re the (partial) unreliability of League stats, bobness, and defer to your comprehensive analysis, for which we should all be extremely grateful. In the absence of 100% personally recorded and verifiable stats, I was using the Pointstreak data more in an illustrative/comparative way and I think that, whatever the discrepancy in figures, we are reaching the same sort of conclusions. By the way, your analysis of the complex penalty situation in the Fife game on Saturday was correct, although I am still trying to work out whether this episode and the other penalties we took all amounted to 7 PKs as the Pointstreak box score claimed! I was almost convinced at one point that we had too many men on the ice for a significant period during the sequence of concurrent penalties but have no way of recreating the real-time situation (and no-one else seemed to be hollering at the time) so, as we came out of it 6-1 down anyway, maybe it's time to move on ... Absolutely, I'm not "scoring points" here, if you'll pardon the phrase. Below is (I hope) my analysis of the PKs from that Fife game. Time to move on indeed... Attachments:
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DJP
Jade Galbraith
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Post by DJP on Jan 8, 2019 22:22:00 GMT
Many thanks for the impressively meticulous spreadsheet ... a real labour of love! Keep up the good work!
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