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Post by wgray on Jan 6, 2019 0:21:26 GMT
The 1st and 3rd goals were poor from Garnett, the 2nd was atrocious defensive play from all on the ice. The 5th was an uncharacteristic turnover at the blue line from Olsen, leading to a 2 on 1, and the 4th and 6th were PP goals which were well taken.
I thought tonight the majority of the team looked lathergic, slow, unfit and tired. As a team we didn’t play effectively we took risks going forward, we overplay it, don’t trust each other, try to do it all on our own and it led to turnover after turnover, in turn the forwards don’t backcheck or we exhaust energy trying to win the puck back when if we played as a team we wouldn’t loose the puck in the first place. In turn Fife were quick, clinical, looked much fitter than us and embarrassed us.
We’ve got too many players in this team who are not cut out to perform consistently over a season, imo due to lack of fitness. Not that this excuses the performance but tonight was our 8th game in 15 days and it told massively, next season we need to look at reducing the number of games we play over Christmas.
Hard to judge Stewart tonight, he obviously didnt have the impact we were hoping, he definitely needs to get up to match fitness but there were signs he is going to be a top player. I think tonight will have been a big wake up call to him regards the standard of the league and the levels of effort that he is going to have to put in.
I don’t want to sound bitter and I can admit that Fife were far better than us tonight but I couldn’t support a team which plays the way they do. Their players don’t have a pair between them and it’s shameful that this is the way hockey’s gone. Props to Tetlow for trying to restore some pride for us fans, it’s a shame you couldn’t have got a few more in on the rest of their team. I was annoyed you were the only one who wanted to do something out of our entire team. I was really hoping that we were going to see somebody cut loose at the end but we just let the game runout with a whimper. Embarrassing.
If this is the way that hockey is going in our country where every team plays like Fife, Guildford and Sheffield then the sport will stop growing.
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Post by ted logan on Jan 6, 2019 0:26:26 GMT
The 1st and 3rd goals were poor from Garnett, the 2nd was atrocious defensive play from all on the ice. The 5th was an uncharacteristic turnover at the blue line from Olsen, leading to a 2 on 1, and the 4th and 6th were PP goals which were well taken. I thought tonight the majority of the team looked lathergic, slow, unfit and tired. As a team we didn’t play effectively we took risks going forward, we overplay it, don’t trust each other, try to do it all on our own and it led to turnover after turnover, in turn the forwards don’t backcheck or we exhaust energy trying to win the puck back when if we played as a team we wouldn’t loose the puck in the first place. In turn Fife were quick, clinical, looked much fitter than us and embarrassed us. We’ve got too many players in this team who are not cut out to perform consistently over a season, imo due to lack of fitness. Not that this excuses the performance but tonight was our 8th game in 15 days and it told massively, next season we need to look at reducing the number of games we play over Christmas. Hard to judge Stewart tonight, he obviously didnt have the impact we were hoping, he definitely needs to get up to match fitness but there were signs he is going to be a top player. I think tonight will have been a big wake up call to him regards the standard of the league and the levels of effort that he is going to have to put in. I don’t want to sound bitter and I can admit that Fife were far better than us tonight but I couldn’t support a team which plays the way they do. Their players don’t have a pair between them and it’s shameful that this is the way hockey’s gone. Props to Tetlow for trying to restore some pride for us fans, it’s a shame you couldn’t have got a few more in on the rest of their team. I was annoyed you were the only one who wanted to do something out of our entire team. I was really hoping that we were going to see somebody cut loose at the end but we just let the game runout with a whimper. Embarrassing. If this is the way that hockey is going in our country where every team plays like Fife, Guildford and Sheffield then the sport will stop growing. Nice post. Final two paragraphs in particular are bang on the money.
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Post by No 29 on Jan 6, 2019 0:31:12 GMT
Had a quick conversation with the refs at Woodall services. Tetlow was sent off because it was viewed as a sucker punch to a non-willing combatant.
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Post by nottinghamsenator on Jan 6, 2019 0:43:19 GMT
Had a quick conversation with the refs at Woodall services. Tetlow was sent off because it was viewed as a sucker punch to a non-willing combatant. How many did Fitzgerald get for that earlier this year? Two or three wasn’t it? I think one game was for a kneeing incident before it though.
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Post by nottinghamsenator on Jan 6, 2019 1:16:53 GMT
Highlights are snuck out at 1am 😂😂😂😂
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Post by allingtonskates on Jan 6, 2019 1:33:10 GMT
Can’t blame the refs at all. Other than the first lepine cross chrcking one all the penalties should have been called. Even if they call it tripping for a slash and stuff.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 6, 2019 3:33:58 GMT
Highlights are snuck out at 1am 😂😂😂😂 Impressively fast turnaround really. Obviously they called the wrong guy for the pen accredited to Steve Lee in the third, but it's yet another dumb play by El Crapitano. How we manage to put ourselves 5-on-3 three times during Tetlow's major is incredible.
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Post by pdusa on Jan 6, 2019 5:20:31 GMT
Highlights are snuck out at 1am 😂😂😂😂 Impressively fast turnaround really. I would imagine there couldn't have been too many highlights to choose from
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Post by loupowell52 on Jan 6, 2019 8:19:18 GMT
Last night was DIRE. The entire Club appears to be a shambles. Many of this side need to go. They are shadows of the early season team that offered so much promise. Our defence is paper thin and look likely to concede whenever the opposition attack. The forwards lack invention, determination and any hockey IQ. Perlini, Hurtubise, Kovacs, Richard, Rheault and Pither are all playing sub-par as regards what we should expect from import forwards. Finally, why does EVERY other team look fitter, hungrier and more determined than us ?
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Post by wasteoftime on Jan 6, 2019 8:24:30 GMT
Roll up roll up, coming to your rink soon non contact hockey. Come and see players diving all over the ice and to make it more interesting pick up your scorecard from the entrance and on the given signal stand up scorecard over your head and give marks out of ten. This is the way forward to bring in new people to the smaller rinks. Whats the first thing your asked when you tell someone you watch ice hockey?Not the above,I think we all know what they ask.
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Post by iginla on Jan 6, 2019 10:13:46 GMT
“This team is going to be horrible to play against and it‘s going to be miserable for other teams coming into our building”. Err no Rich.... It’s great for other teams coming in here but thoroughly dull and miserable for our own fans !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 10:17:39 GMT
Three actually. Chernomaz is ice hockey’s very own Mike Basset. I reckon more a cross between John Major and Diane Abbott.......Dull and clueless ! 🙄 Yup like the last 5 years
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Post by harlan on Jan 6, 2019 10:36:45 GMT
Here is a Flyers fans' perspective then.
Initially I feared the worst, the building had energy in it=more so than usual-because of Stewart and Panthers played on that and for the first three mins or so Flyers hardly got near the puck and if Panthers were able to keep up that kind of intensity for any length of time then we would never have been able to live with it but we gradually got ourselves into the game and had a couple of really good chances before actually taking the lead.
Flyers weren't brilliant, our issue all season has bee a very weak D and no puck moving D man to get a transition game going or to quarter back our PP but getting Moore from Cardiff has somewhat remedied the transition game and last night D men were choosing the right time to jump into plays and make the right decisions. We collapsed as a unit to protect Owen, who was very very solid after a shaky game against MK on Wednesday.
We won battles on boards that we shouldn't have won, got sticks in lanes and back checked to break up plays and we do play some really nice hockey. What we had last night that we didn't have last week at Braehead or for a while is on ice leadership with having Schaber back, he has been injured since October, and having him and Bloodoff, who missed all of December makes a hell of a difference to the collective psyche of this team
Flyers have never been a team with balls, never will be. Dutiaume has been involved as a player and coach at Fife for 20 years now, it wasn't his style as a player and it certainly isn't as a coach. He prefers the talking to be done on the scoreboard with a fast, skilful brand of hockey. We have never been a physical hockey team even when we had Nickerson.
I will also cover teds points about what he saw as embellishment.
Flyers know ref Halas, we know him very well as we tend to get him every other week, and we know his style of officiating. We had him at the home game against MK on Wednesday and he called everything, majority of it very very petty and mostly against Flyers. Halas does tend to be very whistle happy and doesn't let games flow so maybe knowing this Flyers tried to play up to it. I don't like it either and it's not our usual style of hockey, we tend to just play and trust the refs to make the right calls but that tends to hardly happen, but if you know a ref and how he calls a game and then you get him on a road game at a very tough building are you not going to try and play on that to see what he will call?
Interesting also that Isaacs hit on Farmer isn't on the highlight package, thought it was shoulder to shoulder at the time, but maybe Panthers are looking to review it.
Back in the race for third again and with Schaber and Bloodoff getting up to game speed again we might see the consistent Flyers we saw in the early part of the season
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Post by bobness on Jan 6, 2019 10:37:27 GMT
Highlights are snuck out at 1am 😂😂😂😂 Impressively fast turnaround really. Obviously they called the wrong guy for the pen accredited to Steve Lee in the third, but it's yet another dumb play by El Crapitano. How we manage to put ourselves 5-on-3 three times during Tetlow's major is incredible. I'm just trying to work out how the powerplays stacked up as I wasn't there. (Picked a good one to miss, at least I was at the real pantomime...) Panthers PKs as follows in the third, I think, if anyone knows any better, I'm all ears. 42.20 to 42.33 5 on 4, on Tetlow's major, the minors to Risssling and Owens cancelled out. 42.34 to 43.01, 5 on 3 due to "Mr Minor" (he leads the team with 20 now) Pither, goal scored. 43.02 to 45.38, back to 5 on 4, on Tetlow's major. 45.39 to 47.20, 5 on 3 thanks to Bolduc. "Lee's" penalty was taken at 46.14 but had to wait to be on the clock until Tetlow's major expired at 47.20. (Not a common situation...) 47.21 to 47.38, 5 on 3 with the remainder of Bolduc's and the start of Lee's. 47.39 to 49.20, 5 on 4, the rest of Lee's.
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Post by wannabe2 on Jan 6, 2019 10:57:27 GMT
What the heck has happened to your team, they looked superb at the beginning of the season and looked like the team to beat. In all honesty I have never taken to your coach, as someone already stated he looks out of his depth, and his sidekick wasn’t a very good player, and looks even worse on the bench. It must be so frustrating to have the biggest team in the league, don’t mean in stature, and to perform so poorly. Panthers in fairness should always be the team for others to match, but if the finances aren’t available, and the coaching is poor, then you end up with what you have.. The new guy will obviously help when match fit, but one player in this league can’t do it all, as a outsider looking in your club is a total mystery. This league needs a strong Panthers team led by strong management, and even stronger coaching, the fans are there so why isn’t the product.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 6, 2019 11:17:24 GMT
What the heck has happened to your team, they looked superb at the beginning of the season and looked like the team to beat. In all honesty I have never taken to your coach, as someone already stated he looks out of his depth, and his sidekick wasn’t a very good player, and looks even worse on the bench. It must be so frustrating to have the biggest team in the league, don’t mean in stature, and to perform so poorly. Panthers in fairness should always be the team for others to match, but if the finances aren’t available, and the coaching is poor, then you end up with what you have.. The new guy will obviously help when match fit, but one player in this league can’t do it all, as a outsider looking in your club is a total mystery. This league needs a strong Panthers team led by strong management, and even stronger coaching, the fans are there so why isn’t the product. It’s a mystery to us too and always has been.
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Post by harlan on Jan 6, 2019 11:21:02 GMT
Actually just seen the Isaacs hit on Farmer. Was that it? That caused the ire of Lepine and get Chernomaz to send Tetlow out to no choice Isaacs. It was absolutley nothing, pure shoulder to shoulder. No wonder Isaacs didn't want to respond to the fight offers
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Post by PantherB on Jan 6, 2019 11:44:21 GMT
Actually just seen the Isaacs hit on Farmer. Was that it? That caused the ire of Lepine and get Chernomaz to send Tetlow out to no choice Isaacs. It was absolutley nothing, pure shoulder to shoulder. No wonder Isaacs didn't want to respond to the fight offers Farmer's knee/leg must've gotten tangled up as he couldn't stand on his own weight and was pretty much carried off by a few players and the physio. Intention? Probably not but an injured player is an injured player.
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Post by Mark on Jan 6, 2019 12:16:11 GMT
. This league needs a strong Panthers team led by strong management, and even stronger coaching, the fans are there so why isn’t the product. Swop to word fans for customers and you’ll be getting close to the issue.
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Post by iginla on Jan 6, 2019 12:31:15 GMT
Here is a Flyers fans' perspective then. Initially I feared the worst, the building had energy in it=more so than usual-because of Stewart and Panthers played on that and for the first three mins or so Flyers hardly got near the puck and if Panthers were able to keep up that kind of intensity for any length of time then we would never have been able to live with it but we gradually got ourselves into the game and had a couple of really good chances before actually taking the lead. Flyers weren't brilliant, our issue all season has bee a very weak D and no puck moving D man to get a transition game going or to quarter back our PP but getting Moore from Cardiff has somewhat remedied the transition game and last night D men were choosing the right time to jump into plays and make the right decisions. We collapsed as a unit to protect Owen, who was very very solid after a shaky game against MK on Wednesday. We won battles on boards that we shouldn't have won, got sticks in lanes and back checked to break up plays and we do play some really nice hockey. What we had last night that we didn't have last week at Braehead or for a while is on ice leadership with having Schaber back, he has been injured since October, and having him and Bloodoff, who missed all of December makes a hell of a difference to the collective psyche of this team Flyers have never been a team with balls, never will be. Dutiaume has been involved as a player and coach at Fife for 20 years now, it wasn't his style as a player and it certainly isn't as a coach. He prefers the talking to be done on the scoreboard with a fast, skilful brand of hockey. We have never been a physical hockey team even when we had Nickerson. I will also cover teds points about what he saw as embellishment. Flyers know ref Halas, we know him very well as we tend to get him every other week, and we know his style of officiating. We had him at the home game against MK on Wednesday and he called everything, majority of it very very petty and mostly against Flyers. Halas does tend to be very whistle happy and doesn't let games flow so maybe knowing this Flyers tried to play up to it. I don't like it either and it's not our usual style of hockey, we tend to just play and trust the refs to make the right calls but that tends to hardly happen, but if you know a ref and how he calls a game and then you get him on a road game at a very tough building are you not going to try and play on that to see what he will call? Interesting also that Isaacs hit on Farmer isn't on the highlight package, thought it was shoulder to shoulder at the time, but maybe Panthers are looking to review it. Back in the race for third again and with Schaber and Bloodoff getting up to game speed again we might see the consistent Flyers we saw in the early part of the season Be interesting to hear what you thought of our Panthers team ?
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Post by iginla on Jan 6, 2019 12:36:57 GMT
What the heck has happened to your team, they looked superb at the beginning of the season and looked like the team to beat. In all honesty I have never taken to your coach, as someone already stated he looks out of his depth, and his sidekick wasn’t a very good player, and looks even worse on the bench. It must be so frustrating to have the biggest team in the league, don’t mean in stature, and to perform so poorly. Panthers in fairness should always be the team for others to match, but if the finances aren’t available, and the coaching is poor, then you end up with what you have.. The new guy will obviously help when match fit, but one player in this league can’t do it all, as a outsider looking in your club is a total mystery. This league needs a strong Panthers team led by strong management, and even stronger coaching, the fans are there so why isn’t the product. There’s about 3000 of us wondering exactly the same as you mate....unfortunately there’s another 3000 or so that just turn up,clap between sips and still think we’re brilliant whatever happens on the ice ! 🙄 You Devils fans must sit back shake your head and laugh at Panthers,I certainly would if I were a Devil.
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Post by nottinghamsenator on Jan 6, 2019 12:48:38 GMT
Impressively fast turnaround really. Obviously they called the wrong guy for the pen accredited to Steve Lee in the third, but it's yet another dumb play by El Crapitano. How we manage to put ourselves 5-on-3 three times during Tetlow's major is incredible. I'm just trying to work out how the powerplays stacked up as I wasn't there. (Picked a good one to miss, at least I was at the real pantomime...) Panthers PKs as follows in the third, I think, if anyone knows any better, I'm all ears. 42.20 to 42.33 5 on 4, on Tetlow's major, the minors to Risssling and Owens cancelled out. 42.34 to 43.01, 5 on 3 due to "Mr Minor" (he leads the team with 20 now) Pither, goal scored. 43.02 to 45.38, back to 5 on 4, on Tetlow's major. 45.39 to 47.20, 5 on 3 thanks to Bolduc. "Lee's" penalty was taken at 46.14 but had to wait to be on the clock until Tetlow's major expired at 47.20. (Not a common situation...) 47.21 to 47.38, 5 on 3 with the remainder of Bolduc's and the start of Lee's. 47.39 to 49.20, 5 on 4, the rest of Lee's. It was a good run through of the rules at least and I used it as a bit of an educational exercise in how it all works penalty wise with my fellow attendee who is relatively new to the game 😂.
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Post by harlan on Jan 6, 2019 12:57:53 GMT
Here is a Flyers fans' perspective then. Initially I feared the worst, the building had energy in it=more so than usual-because of Stewart and Panthers played on that and for the first three mins or so Flyers hardly got near the puck and if Panthers were able to keep up that kind of intensity for any length of time then we would never have been able to live with it but we gradually got ourselves into the game and had a couple of really good chances before actually taking the lead. Flyers weren't brilliant, our issue all season has bee a very weak D and no puck moving D man to get a transition game going or to quarter back our PP but getting Moore from Cardiff has somewhat remedied the transition game and last night D men were choosing the right time to jump into plays and make the right decisions. We collapsed as a unit to protect Owen, who was very very solid after a shaky game against MK on Wednesday. We won battles on boards that we shouldn't have won, got sticks in lanes and back checked to break up plays and we do play some really nice hockey. What we had last night that we didn't have last week at Braehead or for a while is on ice leadership with having Schaber back, he has been injured since October, and having him and Bloodoff, who missed all of December makes a hell of a difference to the collective psyche of this team Flyers have never been a team with balls, never will be. Dutiaume has been involved as a player and coach at Fife for 20 years now, it wasn't his style as a player and it certainly isn't as a coach. He prefers the talking to be done on the scoreboard with a fast, skilful brand of hockey. We have never been a physical hockey team even when we had Nickerson. I will also cover teds points about what he saw as embellishment. Flyers know ref Halas, we know him very well as we tend to get him every other week, and we know his style of officiating. We had him at the home game against MK on Wednesday and he called everything, majority of it very very petty and mostly against Flyers. Halas does tend to be very whistle happy and doesn't let games flow so maybe knowing this Flyers tried to play up to it. I don't like it either and it's not our usual style of hockey, we tend to just play and trust the refs to make the right calls but that tends to hardly happen, but if you know a ref and how he calls a game and then you get him on a road game at a very tough building are you not going to try and play on that to see what he will call? Interesting also that Isaacs hit on Farmer isn't on the highlight package, thought it was shoulder to shoulder at the time, but maybe Panthers are looking to review it. Back in the race for third again and with Schaber and Bloodoff getting up to game speed again we might see the consistent Flyers we saw in the early part of the season Be interesting to hear what you thought of our Panthers team ? I live in Nottingham so see more of the Panthers than Flyers. There are a lot of players on Panthers that I like Pither, Kovacs, Rheault, Olsen, Henderson. I think you should be a lot more physical than you are and I think Chernomaz wants to play that kind of hockey but I don't think he trusts the refs to allow him to do that Like many of us I don't think Chernomaz knows what he is going to get from refs from one game to the next and I think that is stifling his natural instinct and take Panthers game away and lets small, fast, skilful, non physical teams such as ourselves and Guildford to take the game to Panthers
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Post by wannabe2 on Jan 6, 2019 13:04:49 GMT
What the heck has happened to your team, they looked superb at the beginning of the season and looked like the team to beat. In all honesty I have never taken to your coach, as someone already stated he looks out of his depth, and his sidekick wasn’t a very good player, and looks even worse on the bench. It must be so frustrating to have the biggest team in the league, don’t mean in stature, and to perform so poorly. Panthers in fairness should always be the team for others to match, but if the finances aren’t available, and the coaching is poor, then you end up with what you have.. The new guy will obviously help when match fit, but one player in this league can’t do it all, as a outsider looking in your club is a total mystery. This league needs a strong Panthers team led by strong management, and even stronger coaching, the fans are there so why isn’t the product. There’s about 3000 of us wondering exactly the same as you mate....unfortunately there’s another 3000 or so that just turn up,clap between sips and still think we’re brilliant whatever happens on the ice ! 🙄 You Devils fans must sit back shake your head and laugh at Panthers,I certainly would if I were a Devil. Don’t think many Devils fans laugh at your demise to be honest with you, most of us want the strongest league possible and Panthers are always a huge draw for us, and always a game to look forward to. Just can’t understand how this team seem to have gone backwards over the weeks, obviously it’s far worse for you guys, it has to be a coaching thing, and a attitude thing.
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Post by ted logan on Jan 6, 2019 13:24:49 GMT
Be interesting to hear what you thought of our Panthers team ? I live in Nottingham so see more of the Panthers than Flyers. There are a lot of players on Panthers that I like Pither, Kovacs, Rheault, Olsen, Henderson. I think you should be a lot more physical than you are and I think Chernomaz wants to play that kind of hockey but I don't think he trusts the refs to allow him to do that Like many of us I don't think Chernomaz knows what he is going to get from refs from one game to the next and I think that is stifling his natural instinct and take Panthers game away and lets small, fast, skilful, non physical teams such as ourselves and Guildford to take the game to Panthers Fair points made here. From how RC recruited in the summer and from what he said preseason, he wanted a big strong powerful North American brand of hockey. Unfortunately he failed to take into account the way this league is heading. Minimal contact, low physicality, no hitting, zero scraps dull as dishwater Euro hockey.
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