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Post by DJP on Dec 30, 2018 22:47:58 GMT
To return to simonhunt's earlier comment that "In my opinion Munson isn't any better than Gospel. The money spent on Munson, Richard, Bolduc and Tvrdon could have been used to buy a couple of good players", that's as may be. The stats so far are as follows:
A) In League/CC games combined, Gospel is SOG 52, SVS 42, GA 10, SVS% 80.77 and Munson is SOG 123, SVS 110, GA 13, SVS% 89.43 (in the League, Munson's SVS% is 90.5).
B) Richard, Bolduc and Tvrdon's combined League record is GP 45, 12+20=32, PIM 38 (+11). The three players they are effectively replacing are Doty, Biggs and VanKleef, whose combined League record was GP 59, 6+7=13, PIM 96 (-8).
That constitutes an upgrade on the face of it on both counts. Whether, and in what way, you think "two good players" would provide better stats than these is of course a matter of opinion.
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Post by EMB on Dec 30, 2018 22:48:35 GMT
What happened to the articles that the Nottingham post used to produce? We’re never going to get an honest opinion from Rich when it’s an interview done by the club or the league, his interview for the league after last nights game was edited so obviously he’s said something that they don’t like. He’s not afraid to say it how it is but he’s restricted. if he's a bit if a loose cannon can you honestly see him here next year cos I can't. we spoke to him in Fife and he was surprisingly open with his thoughts almost to the point of us thinking oohhhh you shouldn't be saying that. I think it's been a real eye opener for the guy and being told he couldn't bring in his own backroom team was the first nail in the coffin. I suppose it depends how desperate for a job he is.
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 30, 2018 23:03:51 GMT
What happened to the articles that the Nottingham post used to produce? We’re never going to get an honest opinion from Rich when it’s an interview done by the club or the league, his interview for the league after last nights game was edited so obviously he’s said something that they don’t like. He’s not afraid to say it how it is but he’s restricted. if he's a bit if a loose cannon can you honestly see him here next year cos I can't. we spoke to him in Fife and he was surprisingly open with his thoughts almost to the point of us thinking oohhhh you shouldn't be saying that. I think it's been a real eye opener for the guy and being told he couldn't bring in his own backroom team was the first nail in the coffin. I suppose it depends how desperate for a job he is. If you saw him at last years playoffs you would understand his potential for saying what he liked.... Anyway, you raise a very interesting point, will he stay around for year two with the current structure? I very much doubt it also. He'll get a gig back in DEL2 no problem.
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Post by wgray on Dec 30, 2018 23:12:10 GMT
What happened to the articles that the Nottingham post used to produce? We’re never going to get an honest opinion from Rich when it’s an interview done by the club or the league, his interview for the league after last nights game was edited so obviously he’s said something that they don’t like. He’s not afraid to say it how it is but he’s restricted. if he's a bit if a loose cannon can you honestly see him here next year cos I can't. we spoke to him in Fife and he was surprisingly open with his thoughts almost to the point of us thinking oohhhh you shouldn't be saying that. I think it's been a real eye opener for the guy and being told he couldn't bring in his own backroom team was the first nail in the coffin. I suppose it depends how desperate for a job he is. I don’t think that Rich saying what he thinks makes him a loose cannon. Out of interest was he discussing the quality of the officials with you? If he was then maybe what he’s saying might have some truth to it, bearing in mind he’s been coaching in leagues considered to be of a better standard off the ice than ours. When Moran hired Cherno he will have realised the difference in character between him and Corey, Corey was much more reserved, Rich is not. At the end of the day there’s a lot of pressure in his job and if he feels that the refs are affecting the outcomes of games then he’s got every right to say what he thinks. I understand there are ways to criticise people and there limits in the way and what you say but why should coaches not be able to give their opinion and criticise the refs if they feel it’s justified? They’re humans and will make mistakes so why can’t they have constructive criticism from a coach that has experienced other leagues around the world? I hope Rich is offered a new contract next season, Moran will have known what he was getting into by bringing in Rich, if he’s not back next season then I think it will be his decision and not Moran’s. This season was never going to be easy, Rich will be learning a lot, if we’re going to be successful in the league we’ve got to build on what we’ve got, we can’t continue to start from scratch.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 31, 2018 1:00:17 GMT
if he's a bit if a loose cannon can you honestly see him here next year cos I can't. we spoke to him in Fife and he was surprisingly open with his thoughts almost to the point of us thinking oohhhh you shouldn't be saying that. I think it's been a real eye opener for the guy and being told he couldn't bring in his own backroom team was the first nail in the coffin. I suppose it depends how desperate for a job he is. I don’t think that Rich saying what he thinks makes him a loose cannon. Out of interest was he discussing the quality of the officials with you? If he was then maybe what he’s saying might have some truth to it, bearing in mind he’s been coaching in leagues considered to be of a better standard off the ice than ours. When Moran hired Cherno he will have realised the difference in character between him and Corey, Corey was much more reserved, Rich is not. At the end of the day there’s a lot of pressure in his job and if he feels that the refs are affecting the outcomes of games then he’s got every right to say what he thinks. I understand there are ways to criticise people and there limits in the way and what you say but why should coaches not be able to give their opinion and criticise the refs if they feel it’s justified? They’re humans and will make mistakes so why can’t they have constructive criticism from a coach that has experienced other leagues around the world? I hope Rich is offered a new contract next season, Moran will have known what he was getting into by bringing in Rich, if he’s not back next season then I think it will be his decision and not Moran’s. This season was never going to be easy, Rich will be learning a lot, if we’re going to be successful in the league we’ve got to build on what we’ve got, we can’t continue to start from scratch. Give it a month and he will be starting “Xynomix” interviews with “Yes boss” or he scanning ice hockey classifieds looking for a new job. Personally I don’t think he’s learned anything since September. The players still put in effort as and when they want, the power play sucks, the team does NOT play entertaining hockey and if anything the team has repeatedly gone backwards. I even bet that stick he broke was deducted from his wages and on top of that he has to stand next to Dan Green too!
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Post by grrm on Dec 31, 2018 6:06:49 GMT
Rich won’t be back next season and neither will I
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Post by BelperCat on Dec 31, 2018 9:16:01 GMT
Rich won’t be back next season and neither will I I made that decision about 5 or 6 years ago, not been a regular for many years and don't miss it one little bit. I always follow the team in the Nottingham Post (or did) but now have to rely on this forum for results. The comments on here are the same as ever, dodgy refereeing, slow defence, poor quality imports, rubbish coach, Gary Moran out etc so some things never change. It would be nice for Panthers to win the league again but whilst ever certain factors remain constant that look very unlikely. Happy New Year.
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Post by iginla on Dec 31, 2018 9:45:28 GMT
Yep fans change,players change,coaches change,other teams change,but whilst ever Panthers have the two rotten common denominators that have been there for 20 odd years nothing will change regarding results on the ice. It’s easy to see where the big problem lies within this club.
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 31, 2018 9:53:17 GMT
Yep fans change,players change,coaches change,other teams change,but whilst ever Panthers have the two rotten common denominators that have been there for 20 odd years nothing will change regarding results on the ice. It’s easy to see where the big problem lies within this club. Absolutely spot on. Naive of some of us, myself definitely included, to expect anything greatly different under a new coach.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 10:29:02 GMT
If Rich ain't back next year it will probably be over the standard of the league and how it's ran (officiating) than anything to do with Panthers
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Post by jd on Dec 31, 2018 11:41:08 GMT
Yep fans change,players change,coaches change,other teams change,but whilst ever Panthers have the two rotten common denominators that have been there for 20 odd years nothing will change regarding results on the ice. It’s easy to see where the big problem lies within this club. Absolutely spot on. Naive of some of us, myself definitely included, to expect anything greatly different under a new coach. I've been naive - really thought that the way we played preseason would be the way we played all year. Loved that early win over Sheffield were we pressed them and played them off the ice If anything, it shows that Corey did a better job than i thought. I know its only Rich's first season and personally i'd like to see him back. We won a lot of silverware under CN though.
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Post by EMB on Dec 31, 2018 12:42:44 GMT
if he's a bit if a loose cannon can you honestly see him here next year cos I can't. we spoke to him in Fife and he was surprisingly open with his thoughts almost to the point of us thinking oohhhh you shouldn't be saying that. I think it's been a real eye opener for the guy and being told he couldn't bring in his own backroom team was the first nail in the coffin. I suppose it depends how desperate for a job he is. I don’t think that Rich saying what he thinks makes him a loose cannon. Out of interest was he discussing the quality of the officials with you? If he was then maybe what he’s saying might have some truth to it, bearing in mind he’s been coaching in leagues considered to be of a better standard off the ice than ours. When Moran hired Cherno he will have realised the difference in character between him and Corey, Corey was much more reserved, Rich is not. At the end of the day there’s a lot of pressure in his job and if he feels that the refs are affecting the outcomes of games then he’s got every right to say what he thinks. I understand there are ways to criticise people and there limits in the way and what you say but why should coaches not be able to give their opinion and criticise the refs if they feel it’s justified? They’re humans and will make mistakes so why can’t they have constructive criticism from a coach that has experienced other leagues around the world? I hope Rich is offered a new contract next season, Moran will have known what he was getting into by bringing in Rich, if he’s not back next season then I think it will be his decision and not Moran’s. This season was never going to be easy, Rich will be learning a lot, if we’re going to be successful in the league we’ve got to build on what we’ve got, we can’t continue to start from scratch. Yep was talking to fans outside about the standard of officiating, to be fair he had a point that was the second game that weekend we had a goal washed out and apparently no video evidence to back it up... no wonder he smashed the stick plus the idiots on the row behind the bench who kept trying to grab him (not looking forward to the return match in a couple of weeks, again Fife on the 3rd night of 3 matches when we're knackered is never good for us)
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 31, 2018 13:05:06 GMT
Absolutely spot on. Naive of some of us, myself definitely included, to expect anything greatly different under a new coach. I've been naive - really thought that the way we played preseason would be the way we played all year. Loved that early win over Sheffield were we pressed them and played them off the ice If anything, it shows that Corey did a better job than i thought. I know its only Rich's first season and personally i'd like to see him back. We won a lot of silverware under CN though. Actually disagree with this to an extent, JD. I put the word greatly in my post for a reason. Rich is a better coach than Corey, imo. If Rich is around next season I expect his recruitment to be far wiser for the task. He'll learn a vast amount this year, none of this learning will be to his enjoyment. As Pidge stated the league tinpotness (invented a new word) would drive him away as much as the Panthers structure. Also, if Rich had all of Corey's seasons here I would expect more than one league title.
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Post by iginla on Dec 31, 2018 13:16:50 GMT
I've been naive - really thought that the way we played preseason would be the way we played all year. Loved that early win over Sheffield were we pressed them and played them off the ice If anything, it shows that Corey did a better job than i thought. I know its only Rich's first season and personally i'd like to see him back. We won a lot of silverware under CN though. Actually disagree with this to an extent, JD. I put the word greatly in my post for a reason. Rich is a better coach than Corey, imo. If Rich is around next season I expect his recruitment to be far wiser for the task. He'll learn a vast amount this year, none of this learning will be to his enjoyment. As Pidge stated the league tinpotness (invented a new word) would drive him away as much as the Panthers structure. Also, if Rich had all of Corey's seasons here I would expect more than one league title. The league is much stronger,tighter and well balanced now too,there were several years under Corey’s reign where we should have stormed the league title. Cardiff and Sheffield under Ragan and Bob Phillips were in a right old mess,even rumours of Belfast in trouble at times. Those were the years when we should have blown away the other teams,but we only even managed to be also ran’s in the league when there was no real competition. Not quite sure how the hell we managed it,but we did ! 🙄
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Post by jd on Dec 31, 2018 17:11:43 GMT
I've been naive - really thought that the way we played preseason would be the way we played all year. Loved that early win over Sheffield were we pressed them and played them off the ice If anything, it shows that Corey did a better job than i thought. I know its only Rich's first season and personally i'd like to see him back. We won a lot of silverware under CN though. Actually disagree with this to an extent, JD. I put the word greatly in my post for a reason. Rich is a better coach than Corey, imo. If Rich is around next season I expect his recruitment to be far wiser for the task. He'll learn a vast amount this year, none of this learning will be to his enjoyment. As Pidge stated the league tinpotness (invented a new word) would drive him away as much as the Panthers structure. Also, if Rich had all of Corey's seasons here I would expect more than one league title. Well, he’s doing what Corey did for years (no plan b, constantly changing the lines) and I don’t think that’s great.
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 31, 2018 17:46:07 GMT
Actually disagree with this to an extent, JD. I put the word greatly in my post for a reason. Rich is a better coach than Corey, imo. If Rich is around next season I expect his recruitment to be far wiser for the task. He'll learn a vast amount this year, none of this learning will be to his enjoyment. As Pidge stated the league tinpotness (invented a new word) would drive him away as much as the Panthers structure. Also, if Rich had all of Corey's seasons here I would expect more than one league title. Well, he’s doing what Corey did for years (no plan b, constantly changing the lines) and I don’t think that’s great. Fair enough, JD. You've no doubt seen more ice product than I have this season.
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Post by jd on Dec 31, 2018 17:56:41 GMT
Well, he’s doing what Corey did for years (no plan b, constantly changing the lines) and I don’t think that’s great. Fair enough, JD. You've no doubt seen more ice product than I have this season. I’ve been to around 15 games. Maybe 5 between now and the end of the season though. I’m so bored of it and I’m not even bothered anymore
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Post by iginla on Dec 31, 2018 18:00:13 GMT
Actually disagree with this to an extent, JD. I put the word greatly in my post for a reason. Rich is a better coach than Corey, imo. If Rich is around next season I expect his recruitment to be far wiser for the task. He'll learn a vast amount this year, none of this learning will be to his enjoyment. As Pidge stated the league tinpotness (invented a new word) would drive him away as much as the Panthers structure. Also, if Rich had all of Corey's seasons here I would expect more than one league title. Well, he’s doing what Corey did for years (no plan b, constantly changing the lines) and I don’t think that’s great. Unlike Corey though,at least Rich is cutting players and replacing instead of just bumbling along doing nothing to try and change things.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 31, 2018 18:24:22 GMT
Who has he cut? Biggs left of his own accord, not sure that Doty didn't do the same.
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Post by iginla on Dec 31, 2018 18:31:00 GMT
Who has he cut? Biggs left of his own accord, not sure that Doty didn't do the same. Mmmm Biggs knew the writing was on the wall if he wasn’t gassed,Doty was cut,so was Van Kleef and now Tvrdon
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Post by jd on Dec 31, 2018 18:33:15 GMT
Who has he cut? Biggs left of his own accord, not sure that Doty didn't do the same. Mmmm Biggs knew the writing was on the wall if he wasn’t gassed,Doty was cut,so was Van Kleef and now Tvrdon So 1?!
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Post by Yotes on Dec 31, 2018 18:36:08 GMT
Vankleef doesn't count. Was Tvrdon even on a permanent deal either? The club were shocked when Biggs told them he'd quit, and for a guy who got sacked Doty found a new team pretty instantly.
Neilson used to get rid of the junk Euro fillers too, they don't count.
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Post by iginla on Dec 31, 2018 18:56:30 GMT
They all count 4 have gone one way or the other. Strange how they’re all the ones that the fans weren’t impressed with. Each to their own thoughts,but to me they’ve been cut,gassed, been released or gone. Players know when the axe is likely to swing so they start looking,or Panthers help them that’s why they jump straight into a job sometimes.
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Post by iginla on Dec 31, 2018 18:57:32 GMT
Mmmm Biggs knew the writing was on the wall if he wasn’t gassed,Doty was cut,so was Van Kleef and now Tvrdon So 1?! You need some maths lessons !
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Post by Yotes on Dec 31, 2018 18:59:45 GMT
lol, the lengths you'll go to to do down Neilson.
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