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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 27, 2018 22:51:24 GMT
Time for Neil Black to be called out about what exactly his plans are for the Panthers. Five seasons and counting and very little has changed on the ice. The fans deserve better from this organisation. His plans? Bleed the Panthers white pretty much same plan as usual I would think.
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Post by SteelerBlade on Dec 27, 2018 22:54:55 GMT
Thought we were lucky to get the goal disallowed, general feeling from my block was it looked good on the big screen.
That said, we made the most of our good fortune in the end. Both teams D gave lots of late Christmas gifts out.
Guptill is a very opportunistic sniper but I can’t help thinking that you rely on him too much, Olsen is solid. Bolduc had a decent game too.
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Post by wgray on Dec 27, 2018 22:59:39 GMT
I’m going to put my neck on the line here and say that we were far the better team tonight and the officiating was a big factor in us losing that game.
What was the reason that the goal was disallowed, there was no interference, no kick, Bolduc had what looked like a millimetre of blade in the crease. It is a BS call. You’ve got Adey and Barraso admitting it was a good goal but the refs decide it isn’t...
The number of soft calls the refs were giving in favour of Sheffield was ridiculous, can someone explain to my how Pither and Olsen ended up in the box and how Billingsley didn’t?
If people think that I’m just being bitter and the refs didn’t have an influence look at the ‘penalty’ that Richard drew with 5 mins left, that was never a penalty, another BS call and if I can admit that then imagine the number of calls they gave in favour of Sheffield that weren’t actually fouls.
The refs ruined the game for us. If that goal stood as it should and we made it 4-2 the whole dynamic of that game changes.
We are poor down low, far to weak defensively in that area and that showed tonight, all these big bodies we have at the back are useless if they don’t have the aggression and determination to win that puck.
Offensively we were better and we got stuck in. Guptill was superb for the first goal, that’s what we need from the other players, that determination to get to the net and score. Bolduc had a good game, I love his passion, he does the dirty work and he gets the greasy goals but I admit he should have done better with that breakaway.
There are still passengers though, Tvrdon was abysmal, a turnover machine. Perlini, does he have a twin because this one couldn’t hit a barndoor, how did he miss that 2 on 1 with Hurtubise?! Lacho can move on as well, we’d be better off playing Kelsall next season, that’s how much he offers. The 2nd powerplay unit is atrocious, we may as well have been at even strength.
Another pointless, lengthy post. Another Christmas ruined. Roll on Saturday.
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Post by iginla on Dec 27, 2018 23:06:02 GMT
Come off it! This team with its arena and fan base has run out of reasons not to win everything every year! If it wasn’t for Ling we would still be waiting for our first title! Black is a parasite and other owners actually care. You forgot 2 of the most influential players - Werner and Fox - how we could do with the like of those 2 now Fox and Werner were both quality players and we should have a team full of those....every year. We should have a team at least equal to an ISL team,there is absolutely no reason we don’t have a team of that quality,we could afford it easily. Back in the ISL era we put those teams out on crowds of 4000 ish,so if we could do it back then why have we not got a team like that on crowds of almost 6000 ? We don’t want to win enough that’s why. All we want to do is win a few and not care a toss if we lose plenty,it’s about time this Panthers organisation started playing to its strength instead of signing crap and bending over getting its backside kicked by all and sundry !
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Post by spik on Dec 27, 2018 23:22:52 GMT
One outside the box here.I think we're going to lose some well known Brits end of this season...,.. Then there might be a new era of sorts.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 27, 2018 23:39:45 GMT
One outside the box here.I think we're going to lose some well known Brits end of this season...,.. Then there might be a new era of sorts. Does Gary Moran count as a well known Brit? Neil Black?
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Post by dill1015 on Dec 28, 2018 0:08:08 GMT
One outside the box here.I think we're going to lose some well known Brits end of this season...,.. Then there might be a new era of sorts. Lacho needs to go he offers nothing i can see except legs. Lee as well and give Tetlow his spot, hes better. We have a bunch of forwards who just want to cycle it round the boards, its like watching a Neilson team again. The only 2 guys who are confident of turning into opposition defence men are Gutpil and Pither and they are our 2 highest points scorers. And what in earth has happened to Perlini. If we come across a team thats moderately solid defesively we look lost going forward. What i wouldnt give for a Jade Galbraith even with his off ice antics. Just some raw ability to open a team up.
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Post by Joe on Dec 28, 2018 0:13:16 GMT
My list of imports that I’d like to come back is currently at 2. Forwards:- Guptill definitely. Pither if he could rediscover his best form. None of the others. Defence:- Hughes maybe, based on early season showings but not the same since his return from injury. Rissling another maybe; he is consistent and has played many games on his off-side paired with Tetlow. Olsen is a definite. That’s it. Two definites and 3 maybes. That’s poor. Guptill and Olsen are a definite for me and Hughes and Rissling are a maybe but personally I don’t think Pither’s offensive output is worth how poor he is defensively.
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Post by Mark on Dec 28, 2018 0:33:49 GMT
Ling, Werner and Fox.Maybe the question we should be asking why we now have no players of that quality?
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Post by iginla on Dec 28, 2018 1:03:19 GMT
Lung, Werner and Fox.Maybe the question we should be asking why we now have no players of that quality? I’ve been asking that question for years,but people keep telling me we’re already signing quality. No we’re not,we’re signing average with the odd bit of quality thrown in because we just play down to every other EIHL teams level instead of signing what we should have and playing to our level. Sod the other teams,we should put the best team we can possibly afford on the ice and if the other teams don’t like it then tough. At present it’s false,Panthers are a team that is faking a desire to win,if they really wanted to win they would sign a team of far higher quality than the trash we put up with.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 28, 2018 2:42:01 GMT
Neither Fox nor Werner had particularly stella CVs before they came to us, certainly nothing that would look out of place on any EIHL roster. We just got lucky that they ended up being good Elite League players. Had nothing to do with spending lots of money.
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Post by dill1015 on Dec 28, 2018 2:56:56 GMT
Neither Fox nor Werner had particularly stella CVs before they came to us, certainly nothing that would look out of place on any EIHL roster. We just got lucky that they ended up being good Elite League players. Had nothing to do with spending lots of money. 100% agree.
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Post by nottssogood on Dec 28, 2018 6:14:57 GMT
What a fantastic sporting Christmas, thanks Panthers, Magpies and Oilers.....happy frikkin New Year! 😂
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Post by wasteoftime on Dec 28, 2018 7:22:22 GMT
Neither Fox nor Werner had particularly stella CVs before they came to us, certainly nothing that would look out of place on any EIHL roster. We just got lucky that they ended up being good Elite League players. Had nothing to do with spending lots of money. Fox's attitude and leadership qualities were a well known factor in N.A. also the glowing reports he got from coaches in his league.
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Post by texpef on Dec 28, 2018 8:31:08 GMT
Its pretty simple... get the best team and they win.. its happened for seasons now, you need to look no further than the past few seasons in our league.. For the past 3 seasons Cardiff's roster has been one to be envied and surprise surprise they have won... This season Cardiff had the start they had as they were head and shoulders above other teams however they have lost arguably their two most influential and likely expensive players and after a few injuries (which unusually they haven't replaced) they have dropped off the pace to allow what looks an almost as strong roster in Belfast to come up behind them.. It really is no surprise that the best squad wins look at the team Sheffield had when they had what many believed in Nottingham, our best player in Adey on a 4th line.... dominated When we finally won the league it was clear we had a good squad (we had Beau as a spare import) but rather than use this as a template and create a dynasty I don't get why the club threw this away and let these better players leave as they allegedly wanted a payrise... makes no sense to me Cardiff have replaced a very few players the last couple of seasons and look how it has benefitted them
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Post by Bagheera on Dec 28, 2018 8:34:07 GMT
Take the emotion out of it and you will see that this years team is way more stacked than the 2012/2013 team. Certainly on paper(I am very aware hockey isn't played on paper, simply refering to the point when the players were signed). On paper this team should wipe the floor with that team based on CVs. I would imagine that if you look at the imports for both those teams that on average this years roster is significantly more expensive even if you consider both in todays money. If players with the CVs of most of that team were signed to start this season this forum would be up in arms. Now part of that comes from the fact that the league as a whole is bringing in better quality and the league this year is much tougher with more competitive teams.
I am currently as frustrated as most, to the point where i'm seriously considering my ST next year. I do see that we could spend even more if we chose to. The thing for me is, I dont think it'd make much difference. I have said on a number of occasions that we simply cant sign so many bad players season after season. What is it that causes so many quality players to go off the boil in Nottingham after a few months. I feel almost certain that if 80% of those players had signed in Sheffield or Cardiff we would be looking on in admiration throughout the entire season, not just September.
Something causes it, what im not sure, but it certainly has something to do with this clubs rotten core. We have a new coach and little changes(Corey had become part of the problem too in my view). The fact he is forced to keep Rick and Green is one of the biggest indicators of what is wrong. Jobs for the boys at the cost of doing whats best to help the team win. I'm not questioning how nice a person anybody is, or even how good they are at their jobs, because actually I dont know that. The club did need sweeping changes though and those 2 will have been kept on because of who they are and not because of how good they are at their jobs.
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Post by wasteoftime on Dec 28, 2018 8:57:49 GMT
Take the emotion out of it and you will see that this years team is way more stacked than the 2012/2013 team. Certainly on paper(I am very aware hockey isn't played on paper, simply refering to the point when the players were signed). On paper this team should wipe the floor with that team based on CVs. I would imagine that if you look at the imports for both those teams that on average this years roster is significantly more expensive even if you consider both in todays money. If players with the CVs of most of that team were signed to start this season this forum would be up in arms. Now part of that comes from the fact that the league as a whole is bringing in better quality and the league this year is much tougher with more competitive teams. I am currently as frustrated as most, to the point where i'm seriously considering my ST next year. I do see that we could spend even more if we chose to. The thing for me is, I dont think it'd make much difference. I have said on a number of occasions that we simply cant sign so many bad players season after season. What is it that causes so many quality players to go off the boil in Nottingham after a few months. I feel almost certain that if 80% of those players had signed in Sheffield or Cardiff we would be looking on in admiration throughout the entire season, not just September. Something causes it, what im not sure, but it certainly has something to do with this clubs rotten core. We have a new coach and little changes(Corey had become part of the problem too in my view). The fact he is forced to keep Rick and Green is one of the biggest indicators of what is wrong. Jobs for the boys at the cost of doing whats best to help the team win. I'm not questioning how nice a person anybody is, or even how good they are at their jobs, because actually I dont know that. The club did need sweeping changes though and those 2 will have been kept on because of who they are and not because of how good they are at their jobs. A very good post.We possibly think we know why and would'nt be far off the mark, if we had any intentions of making a challenge this season why did we sign players of the caliber of Tvrodon and Richard? It.s a holiday camp here and as soon as players just do enough life here is great. Problem is, we cant change it not enough people to walk away.
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 28, 2018 9:15:12 GMT
Very good post, Bagheera. Particularly in relation to Dan Green whose role at the club is possibly the biggest farce of the lot.
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Post by bobness on Dec 28, 2018 9:49:20 GMT
And yet has no bearing at all on the on-ice product which we love to hate?
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Post by bobness on Dec 28, 2018 9:53:40 GMT
For all the people bent out of shape by the disallowed goal, here's the rule.
RULE 184 – GOALTENDER AND GOAL CREASE OVERVIEW – The goaltender’s ability to play his position is based on his ability to move freely in his goal crease. Although an attacking skater is allowed to skate through the goal crease, he runs the risk of incurring a penalty or nullifying a goal by doing so. Furthermore, any contact the attacking skater initiates with a goaltender, either directly or by pushing an opponent into the goaltender, also runs the risk of incurring a penalty or nullifying a goal. i. If an attacking skater establishes position in the goal crease, play will be stopped and the ensuing faceoff will take place at the nearest faceoff spot in the neutral zone. ii. An attacking skater who commits a foul on a goaltender, regardless of the goaltender’s ability to play his position or where the puck is being played, will be penalized. iii. If a goaltender is outside his goal crease and an attacking skater prevents the goaltender from returning to his crease or prevents the goaltender from playing his position properly while a goal is scored, the goal will not count and the attacking skater will be assessed a minor penalty for interference. iv. If an attacking skater is in the goal crease and initiates incidental contact with the goaltender, preventing the goaltender from playing his position when the puck enters the net, the goal will not count and no penalty will be assessed.
It would appear that the refs thought that Bolduc impeded Climie in some way, by him making contact with Climie while Climie was in the crease. Note that the rule is based on the goalie being prevented from playing his position when the puck goes in, by the in-crease skater-initiated contact. Nothing else matters. The rule also neatly explains why Bolduc didn't get a goalie interference minor as a result.
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Post by iginla on Dec 28, 2018 9:56:00 GMT
Neither Fox nor Werner had particularly stella CVs before they came to us, certainly nothing that would look out of place on any EIHL roster. We just got lucky that they ended up being good Elite League players. Had nothing to do with spending lots of money. Have you seen Eric Werner’s CV ? It’s not earth shattering at first glance but look at his points from good leagues. He’s a Dman going at around half a point a game wherever he’s played and at nearly 0.7 in the ECHL. Crikey these days if we sign a forward from the ECHL who’s up towards a point a game people start wetting themselves about how good he’s going to be ! That 2012/13 Panthers team was good because it had certain components and a lot of players in their prime too. It had a very good Brit pack with Clarkey at his best and it also had Weaver who was a massive piece of that jigsaw. It had Ling too,the main man who made us into winners. What it didn’t have though was any competition,because Cardiff and Sheffield were in such internal turmoil they were no threat and even the Giants were not that great either. As for the rest of the league,well they were just making up the numbers as usual.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 28, 2018 9:58:07 GMT
For all the people bent out of shape by the disallowed goal, here's the rule. RULE 184 – GOALTENDER AND GOAL CREASE OVERVIEW – The goaltender’s ability to play his position is based on his ability to move freely in his goal crease. Although an attacking skater is allowed to skate through the goal crease, he runs the risk of incurring a penalty or nullifying a goal by doing so. Furthermore, any contact the attacking skater initiates with a goaltender, either directly or by pushing an opponent into the goaltender, also runs the risk of incurring a penalty or nullifying a goal. i. If an attacking skater establishes position in the goal crease, play will be stopped and the ensuing faceoff will take place at the nearest faceoff spot in the neutral zone. ii. An attacking skater who commits a foul on a goaltender, regardless of the goaltender’s ability to play his position or where the puck is being played, will be penalized. iii. If a goaltender is outside his goal crease and an attacking skater prevents the goaltender from returning to his crease or prevents the goaltender from playing his position properly while a goal is scored, the goal will not count and the attacking skater will be assessed a minor penalty for interference. iv. If an attacking skater is in the goal crease and initiates incidental contact with the goaltender, preventing the goaltender from playing his position when the puck enters the net, the goal will not count and no penalty will be assessed. Yeah great but which of these offences actually happened?
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Post by moz on Dec 28, 2018 9:58:25 GMT
The team may well be more stacked than the league winning team but to me the balance of the team is all wrong, the forwards are so similar in style, they try to cycle the puck but do not create anything at the end of it . only one or two of them look like they know where the net is . the defence lacks a true offensive player, the transition game is poor. The team look slow and unable to skate for 60 mins, many look like they have tied their skate laces together. the last few seasons have been dull , this year it is dull beyond belief. After 35 years I no longer want to go . gave up weeks ago. I don't see any play makers or real snipers in this squad. I can't think of any player who excites me and makes me want to pay £20 to watch.I'm afraid it looks like a sad end to a long relationship...
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Post by wgray on Dec 28, 2018 10:00:21 GMT
For all the people bent out of shape by the disallowed goal, here's the rule. RULE 184 – GOALTENDER AND GOAL CREASE OVERVIEW – The goaltender’s ability to play his position is based on his ability to move freely in his goal crease. Although an attacking skater is allowed to skate through the goal crease, he runs the risk of incurring a penalty or nullifying a goal by doing so. Furthermore, any contact the attacking skater initiates with a goaltender, either directly or by pushing an opponent into the goaltender, also runs the risk of incurring a penalty or nullifying a goal. i. If an attacking skater establishes position in the goal crease, play will be stopped and the ensuing faceoff will take place at the nearest faceoff spot in the neutral zone. ii. An attacking skater who commits a foul on a goaltender, regardless of the goaltender’s ability to play his position or where the puck is being played, will be penalized. iii. If a goaltender is outside his goal crease and an attacking skater prevents the goaltender from returning to his crease or prevents the goaltender from playing his position properly while a goal is scored, the goal will not count and the attacking skater will be assessed a minor penalty for interference. iv. If an attacking skater is in the goal crease and initiates incidental contact with the goaltender, preventing the goaltender from playing his position when the puck enters the net, the goal will not count and no penalty will be assessed.It would appear that the refs thought that Bolduc impeded Climie in some way, by him making contact with Climie while Climie was in the crease. Note that the rule is based on the goalie being prevented from playing his position when the puck goes in, by the in-crease skater-initiated contact. Nothing else matters. The rule also neatly explains why Bolduc didn't get a goalie interference minor as a result. Do you think it was the correct call? If so, which foul did he commit?
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 28, 2018 10:04:01 GMT
And yet has no bearing at all on the on-ice product which we love to hate? No but he's part of the off ice product which we also love to hate. In fact his position is a huge example of everything that is wrong in the Panthers org. Housing Officer, Assistant to Rich when he needs something trivial doing, commentator, occasional bench coach.... All carried out with zero qualifications & a CV that reads 'back up keeper, not a very good one'. He is also on call if the regular Paws is unavailable. (I made this bit up, or did I....) Farcical.
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