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Post by iginla on Dec 15, 2018 0:46:47 GMT
When was the last time there was a real buzz and a great atmosphere in that arena ? An arena full of dumb ass fans,people some of whom it seems will put up with any old dross and yet still clap like performing sea lions at the end even when we lose after a dire performance. Makes you wonder what aspirations they have in the rest of their lives if they’re happy to constantly accept second,third,fourth or sometimes even fifth best from their sports team. Probabably not a lot I’d guess ! Happy clappers go for an entertaining Evening. The end result is a bonus to most. If the money is being made, & it is. Then that's all that ultimately matters. And if that’s all that matters then there’s your problem for the fans who do care and take it seriously. If the team don’t care enough to worry about results then they should expect criticism from that section of fans who do want good results.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 15, 2018 0:53:05 GMT
You may be in danger of taking it all a bit too seriously. Just a tad. Nah i don’t take it seriously at all any more. I’ve had my time watching,seen it and got that T shirt many times over,I don’t really care whether Panthers win or lose these days I just comment as i see things. Nothing’s changed for years,it’s the same now by the sound of it as it was last year and previously and i don’t suppose it will change any time soon. Truth hurts sometimes I’m afraid. I meant rather drawing conclusions about someone's life, from how they view the performances of an ice hockey team.
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 15, 2018 0:55:48 GMT
Happy clappers go for an entertaining Evening. The end result is a bonus to most. If the money is being made, & it is. Then that's all that ultimately matters. And if that’s all that matters then there’s your problem for the fans who do care and take it seriously. If the team don’t care enough to worry about results then they should expect criticism from that section of fans who do want good results. Every sports org. gets criticised, it goes with the territory. Panthers aren't dummies, they operate a good profit & fans keep showing up. The problem with Panthers isn't the fans though, it's the ownership. If the product on the ice was super successful the arena would constantly sell put. But the arena doesn't need to constantly sell out to make good profit. Ice hockey is an easy sport to casually follow, Panthers know they are on to a good thing location & stature wise. They attract enough fans with very little effort.
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Post by Higgy on Dec 15, 2018 2:18:04 GMT
I'm glad I was on the beer tonight...feels so much like the last 2 seasons...zzzzz boring
Where has the early season passion and intensity gone!?
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Post by cooperphil156 on Dec 15, 2018 7:11:16 GMT
I'm glad I was on the beer tonight...feels so much like the last 2 seasons...zzzzz boring Where has the early season passion and intensity gone!? Yes - the early seasons form was promising, but now we dont seem to be that much further on than last season - or the season before -----
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Post by ted logan on Dec 15, 2018 8:03:21 GMT
I actually didn’t see the Lepine incident, must’ve fell asleep. What was the original penalty for, tripping? Was it a trip? Then he got an additional 5+G I think for spearing? Did he do that?
He’s doing a Bruce Graham so far by returning and completely tarnishing his legacy after leaving following the grand slam season. Massive shame.
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Post by wasteoftime on Dec 15, 2018 8:19:58 GMT
Hey Rich, You said we were going to make other teams life a misery the only misery you all have given is to the paying fans if your here after this season, best not say anything instead just do it.
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Post by Caesar on Dec 15, 2018 8:38:20 GMT
At one point last night, we had a 5 on 3 powerplay, it was possibly the worst 5 on 3 I've ever witnessed. Ever. It was utterly abysmal
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Dec 15, 2018 9:05:27 GMT
At one point last night, we had a 5 on 3 powerplay, it was possibly the worst 5 on 3 I've ever witnessed. Ever. It was utterly abysmal Talking of pp, on a couple of their pp's last night they managed to keep the puck in our end for the whole 2mins with good passing and not shooting just for the sake of it. They didnt score but it was good to watch. Had we done that, the crowd would be on their backs for wasting two pp's. Oh and another thing, I said we should have signed Matt Marquardt when he was playing for Coventry. He was everywhere last night, and can shoot !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 15, 2018 9:53:12 GMT
And if that’s all that matters then there’s your problem for the fans who do care and take it seriously. If the team don’t care enough to worry about results then they should expect criticism from that section of fans who do want good results. Every sports org. gets criticised, it goes with the territory. Panthers aren't dummies, they operate a good profit & fans keep showing up. The problem with Panthers isn't the fans though, it's the ownership. If the product on the ice was super successful the arena would constantly sell put. But the arena doesn't need to constantly sell out to make good profit. Ice hockey is an easy sport to casually follow, Panthers know they are on to a good thing location & stature wise. They attract enough fans with very little effort. The only worry the Panthers organisation has is other teams going bust or dropping out which would hit their bottom line. They see it as a balancing act to keep the gravy train rolling.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 15, 2018 9:53:20 GMT
At one point last night, we had a 5 on 3 powerplay, it was possibly the worst 5 on 3 I've ever witnessed. Ever. It was utterly abysmal Talking of pp, on a couple of their pp's last night they managed to keep the puck in our end for the whole 2mins with good passing and not shooting just for the sake of it. They didnt score but it was good to watch. Had we done that, the crowd would be on their backs for wasting two pp's. Oh and another thing, I said we should have signed Matt Marquardt when he was playing for Coventry. He was everywhere last night, and can shoot ! Yes he was their MOM for me, thought Guptill was ours with 1+2, also one of the only forward who offered any offensive threat. Not sure what has happened to Hurtubise and Pither, both anonymous last night. Actually what's happened to the whole team? Energetic, hard hitting and fun to watch early in the season. We're none of these now. We've got Billingsley (a right d-man) playing as a forward with Rissling (a left d-man) filling Billingsley's spot on right D. Meanwhile, we have 2 forwards Henderson & Rheault (the new Mark Lee) sat injured in the stands. Yet we still released Van Kleef, a genuine forward who had proven himself capable enough during his short spell here. So we've saved Van Kleefs huge wages while results go down the crapper. Profits before points. Deja vu. Groundhog Day. Call it what you like.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 15, 2018 10:06:29 GMT
Talking of pp, on a couple of their pp's last night they managed to keep the puck in our end for the whole 2mins with good passing and not shooting just for the sake of it. They didnt score but it was good to watch. Had we done that, the crowd would be on their backs for wasting two pp's. Oh and another thing, I said we should have signed Matt Marquardt when he was playing for Coventry. He was everywhere last night, and can shoot ! Yes he was their MOM for me, thought Guptill was ours with 1+2, also one of the only forward who offered any offensive threat. Not sure what has happened to Hurtubise and Pither, both anonymous last night. Actually what's happened to the whole team? Energetic, hard hitting and fun to watch early in the season. We're none of these now. We've got Billingsley (a right d-man) playing as a forward with Rissling (a left d-man) filling Billingsley's spot on right D. Meanwhile, we have 2 forwards Henderson & Rheault (the new Mark Lee) sat injured in the stands. Yet we still released Van Kleef, a genuine forward who had proven himself capable enough during his short spell here. So we've saved Van Kleefs huge wages while results go down the crapper. Profits before points. Deja vu. Groundhog Day. Call it what you like. I think Billingsley is a better forward than he is a defender personally but messing around like this at this stage plus the last two of the three last signings have me seriously doubting that the coach knows what he is up to. The new coach at Sheffield is running rings around him starting from a much lower position. If he signs many more players we are going to need an extra team bus and yet nothing has changed.
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 15, 2018 10:20:28 GMT
Every sports org. gets criticised, it goes with the territory. Panthers aren't dummies, they operate a good profit & fans keep showing up. The problem with Panthers isn't the fans though, it's the ownership. If the product on the ice was super successful the arena would constantly sell put. But the arena doesn't need to constantly sell out to make good profit. Ice hockey is an easy sport to casually follow, Panthers know they are on to a good thing location & stature wise. They attract enough fans with very little effort. The only worry the Panthers organisation has is other teams going bust or dropping out which would hit their bottom line. They see it as a balancing act to keep the gravy train rolling. Yep, spot on, again. This is another reason they won't overspend & blow away the competition. It's not actually a good idea for the future of the league which as you say is the main interest to keep the cash cow chewing the grass. While Panthers attract their numerous casual fans, who are there for entertainment & a night out, there's no need to go the extra mile in any other area. I've stopped going again this season, I'm a hockey fan who likes to see a good product. Panthers isn't a good hockey product imo. The times where I find myself entertained now are few & far between. I mistakenly thought it might change under a new coach. But for now, at least, the apathy around the org./arena feels exactly the same as previous.
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Post by iginla on Dec 15, 2018 10:26:42 GMT
Every sports org. gets criticised, it goes with the territory. Panthers aren't dummies, they operate a good profit & fans keep showing up. The problem with Panthers isn't the fans though, it's the ownership. If the product on the ice was super successful the arena would constantly sell put. But the arena doesn't need to constantly sell out to make good profit. Ice hockey is an easy sport to casually follow, Panthers know they are on to a good thing location & stature wise. They attract enough fans with very little effort. The only worry the Panthers organisation has is other teams going bust or dropping out which would hit their bottom line. They see it as a balancing act to keep the gravy train rolling. Yep spot on. That’s why we don’t sign the team we should have,got to drop to the lesser teams level rather than signing what we could. Hockey in Nottingham is false and it’s manufactured around keeping the money rolling in rather than winning. In my opinion Panthers deserve every bit of criticism they get. A dull,boring,far too cushy entertainment industry in Pantherland,that’s all it is these days.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 15, 2018 10:31:33 GMT
The only worry the Panthers organisation has is other teams going bust or dropping out which would hit their bottom line. They see it as a balancing act to keep the gravy train rolling. Yep, spot on, again. This is another reason they won't overspend & blow away the competition. It's not actually a good idea for the future of the league which as you say is the main interest to keep the cash cow chewing the grass. While Panthers attract their numerous casual fans, who are there for entertainment & a night out, there's no need to go the extra mile in any other area. I've stopped going again this season, I'm a hockey fan who likes to see a good product. Panthers isn't a good hockey product imo. The times where I find myself entertained now are few & far between. I mistakenly thought it might change under a new coach. But for now, at least, the apathy around the org./arena feels exactly the same as previous. The casuals, drunks, Facebook stalkers and panty throwers have reached balancing point. As a hockey/sports fan I am pretty near at the point where it’s time to support another team or walk away like hundreds of others now. I just can’t find any loyalty to a team any more with no interest in the sports side. I can easily find other types of entertainment that doesn’t take up every weekend of the winter.
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 15, 2018 11:01:59 GMT
Yep, spot on, again. This is another reason they won't overspend & blow away the competition. It's not actually a good idea for the future of the league which as you say is the main interest to keep the cash cow chewing the grass. While Panthers attract their numerous casual fans, who are there for entertainment & a night out, there's no need to go the extra mile in any other area. I've stopped going again this season, I'm a hockey fan who likes to see a good product. Panthers isn't a good hockey product imo. The times where I find myself entertained now are few & far between. I mistakenly thought it might change under a new coach. But for now, at least, the apathy around the org./arena feels exactly the same as previous. The casuals, drunks, Facebook stalkers and panty throwers have reached balancing point. As a hockey/sports fan I am pretty near at the point where it’s time to support another team or walk away like hundreds of others now. I just can’t find any loyalty to a team any more with no interest in the sports side. I can easily find other types of entertainment that doesn’t take up every weekend of the winter. If you're a football fan I'd recommend trying Forest. They are getting back on track.
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Post by pantherlee on Dec 15, 2018 12:09:19 GMT
I actually didn’t see the Lepine incident, must’ve fell asleep. What was the original penalty for, tripping? Was it a trip? Then he got an additional 5+G I think for spearing? Did he do that? He’s doing a Bruce Graham so far by returning and completely tarnishing his legacy after leaving following the grand slam season. Massive shame. Definitely. Blatantly right to the back of his leg as he was skating away
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 12:25:01 GMT
The casuals, drunks, Facebook stalkers and panty throwers have reached balancing point. As a hockey/sports fan I am pretty near at the point where it’s time to support another team or walk away like hundreds of others now. I just can’t find any loyalty to a team any more with no interest in the sports side. I can easily find other types of entertainment that doesn’t take up every weekend of the winter. If you're a football fan I'd recommend trying Forest. They are getting back on track. On and off the pitch!
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Post by shinobi on Dec 15, 2018 12:29:46 GMT
At one point last night, we had a 5 on 3 powerplay, it was possibly the worst 5 on 3 I've ever witnessed. Ever. It was utterly abysmal I didn’t go last night, could have and even finished work an hour early, but chose not to go; I was however following via twitter and I thought that the 5 - 3 PP would be a defining moment in the game. I knew that’d lose once that PP opportunity had been fluffed.
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Post by Bagheera on Dec 15, 2018 12:29:53 GMT
Yep, spot on, again. This is another reason they won't overspend & blow away the competition. It's not actually a good idea for the future of the league which as you say is the main interest to keep the cash cow chewing the grass. While Panthers attract their numerous casual fans, who are there for entertainment & a night out, there's no need to go the extra mile in any other area. I've stopped going again this season, I'm a hockey fan who likes to see a good product. Panthers isn't a good hockey product imo. The times where I find myself entertained now are few & far between. I mistakenly thought it might change under a new coach. But for now, at least, the apathy around the org./arena feels exactly the same as previous. The casuals, drunks, Facebook stalkers and panty throwers have reached balancing point. As a hockey/sports fan I am pretty near at the point where it’s time to support another team or walk away like hundreds of others now. I just can’t find any loyalty to a team any more with no interest in the sports side. I can easily find other types of entertainment that doesn’t take up every weekend of the winter. I'm not too far behind you. A few things currently stop me walking away. The feeling that as a fan it should be my club and I shouldn't have to walk away because of issues caused by management. Also to be honest and to coinn a modern phrase. FOMO. The year I walk away perhaps it all comes together again. I also miss out on seeing that group of friends so much. Hockey as with many sports is also about friendships and relationships you have built with people over the years. I am more reluctant to give those up as opposed to the actuall hockey. If I were a fan that just turned up on my own or with the same one person every week. Sat in my seat the entire time and did nothing else then perhaps I would find it easier to walk. Sadly, no matter how good yoyr intentions may be those relationships generally fade away once you stop. Not all those people are like minded in regards to the hockey itself. I have a decision to make come the end of this season. One that I currently don't know which way to go at this point.
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Post by iginla on Dec 15, 2018 12:32:59 GMT
If you're a football fan I'd recommend trying Forest. They are getting back on track. On and off the pitch! And i bet the crowds have returned now eh. Something I’ve never understood with Panthers attitude,that if you’re winning consistently the crowds will grow and repay your investment. Panthers don’t seem to understand that !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 12:34:43 GMT
And i bet the crowds have returned now eh. Something I’ve never understood with Panthers attitude,that if you’re winning consistently the crowds will grow and repay your investment. Panthers don’t seem to understand that ! I believe the last 4 home games have been consecutive sell outs .. pretty much unheard of in the last 15 years.
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Post by iginla on Dec 15, 2018 12:41:07 GMT
And i bet the crowds have returned now eh. Something I’ve never understood with Panthers attitude,that if you’re winning consistently the crowds will grow and repay your investment. Panthers don’t seem to understand that ! I believe the last 4 home games have been consecutive sell outs .. pretty much unheard of in the last 15 years. Exactly And what i said was a pure guess as i have never followed Forest. Spend what they need to and put a winning team on the ice and there could be another 1500 seats per game sold at Panthers.
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Post by Mark on Dec 15, 2018 13:00:40 GMT
5 seasons of mediocrity. Constantly watching someone else take the league title while our challenge fades at Christmas. Utterly shameful.
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Post by oldman on Dec 15, 2018 13:56:28 GMT
i think we were lucky to get a point on that performance, they were the better team all night
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