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Post by iginla on Dec 10, 2018 20:44:34 GMT
What seems to have been over looked here is why with 15 SECONDS left in the period/game are they making a line change? Yep deffo head coach’s fault Pidge. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 21:01:01 GMT
Disagree, what's the point in having Strachan and Green stood there if you are going to take the easy way out and just blame Rich for all things during play ?
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Post by bobness on Dec 10, 2018 21:32:49 GMT
Maybe someone actually at the game might be able to tell why a line change was made at that stage?
Had they been on 2 minutes without a whistle or something?
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Post by PantherB on Dec 10, 2018 21:35:56 GMT
Stupid time for a line change ultimately but the coaches don't control the speed in which players change, some are more eager to get on than those coming off and it only takes a player to do a Guptill like glide to the bench to be caught out.
The way we played in the last period was embarrassing as a whole and yes the too many men penalty cost us the game in a nutshell but if we'd performed to even half of our capability we would've saw the game out whilst 3-1 up.
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Post by iginla on Dec 10, 2018 22:03:18 GMT
Disagree, what's the point in having Strachan and Green stood there if you are going to take the easy way out and just blame Rich for all things during play ? A coach is responsible for his bench at all times Pidge,stop making excuses.😉 We should have buried Coventry. We were 2-0 up against a team with only 11 imports and a bunch of Brits who are well shall we say not really EIHL standard. They’ve got Ferrara,Clements and Venus who are all not exactly what you would call top Brits and the other three Brits I’ve barely even heard of. A very slack performance and another point thrown away. |
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 10, 2018 23:17:06 GMT
According to me, including the 2 in the games over the weekend (which aren't on the attached pic) Panthers have conceded 13, 10 in the league (including 2 in one period vs MK the other day) and 3 in the Cup. 3 goals conceded on those PKs so far. 6 TMM penalties in the last 7 league games... I think the coach can nominate a player to serve the penalty, from the on ice players. That's why mostly they are served by non D men, and non PK-ing forwards. View AttachmentAn interesting stat would be how prevalent TMM penalties are for other teams. That kind of stat, I sadly don't have... And my apologies, one and all... bobness has it correct, we have actually taken 10 TMM penalties in the league, not 9 as I'd originally stated (plus the 3 in Challenge Cup games). 13 times in 33 games. That's beyond abysmal and out the other side. It almost makes it worse that we have managed to do it twice in two separate games! (Sept 29th & Nov 28th). |
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Post by kievthegreat on Dec 10, 2018 23:34:21 GMT
Maybe someone actually at the game might be able to tell why a line change was made at that stage? Had they been on 2 minutes without a whistle or something? Why we went for a full change of forwards I don't know, but one player (Betteridge I believe) was going back slowly holding his hand after a coming together along the boards. He needed to get out, otherwise the previous stoppage was in the 60th minute, no-one should have been completely gassed and should have played on IMHO given the time remaining and knowing the puck is in proximity of the bench. |
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Post by bobness on Dec 11, 2018 10:36:34 GMT
According to me, including the 2 in the games over the weekend (which aren't on the attached pic) Panthers have conceded 13, 10 in the league (including 2 in one period vs MK the other day) and 3 in the Cup. 3 goals conceded on those PKs so far. 6 TMM penalties in the last 7 league games... I think the coach can nominate a player to serve the penalty, from the on ice players. That's why mostly they are served by non D men, and non PK-ing forwards. View AttachmentAn interesting stat would be how prevalent TMM penalties are for other teams. That kind of stat, I sadly don't have... And my apologies, one and all... bobness has it correct, we have actually taken 10 TMM penalties in the league, not 9 as I'd originally stated (plus the 3 in Challenge Cup games). 13 times in 33 games. That's beyond abysmal and out the other side. It almost makes it worse that we have managed to do it twice in two separate games! (Sept 29th & Nov 28th). It's the 6 in the last 7 games that worries me. The bench seems to be getting worse! |
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Post by Fez on Dec 11, 2018 10:47:05 GMT
There's also likely to be heightened awareness from the officials. I.e. we have earned (rightly or otherwise) a reputation for sailing close to the wind on line changes ergo the officials pay extra attention. As a result we don't get away with things that other teams do and we have got away with previously.
Obviously it then becomes a case of being extra-vigilant and playing to the refs, but old habits die hard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 12:28:36 GMT
Disagree, what's the point in having Strachan and Green stood there if you are going to take the easy way out and just blame Rich for all things during play ? The buck stops with the Coach. |
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Post by GuinnessMan on Dec 11, 2018 12:52:13 GMT
I've no idea what the set up is in reality but in my simplistic view, the bench or the on ice players can call for a change but I would have thought, for example the centre coming on would be responsible for responding to the centre coming off, similarly for the wingers and defenceman... they should be watching the one they are to replace?
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 11, 2018 13:57:44 GMT
Disagree, what's the point in having Strachan and Green stood there if you are going to take the easy way out and just blame Rich for all things during play ? The buck stops with the Coach. The overall responsibility lies with the head coach... but whose actual direct fault is it? Who is actively screwing up? |
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Post by wgray on Dec 11, 2018 14:12:44 GMT
The buck stops with the Coach. The overall responsibility lies with the head coach... but whose actual direct fault is it? Who is actively screwing up? I think on Sunday it was Kovacs fault but I think he panicked. Ollie was going off for Kovacs coming on and he didn’t want to leave an odd man rush. I think we’ve got to be smarter when we are making line changes, that was a bad time to change and it’s cost us a point in reality. |
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Post by spik on Dec 11, 2018 14:38:52 GMT
I've no idea what the set up is in reality but in my simplistic view, the bench or the on ice players can call for a change but I would have thought, for example the centre coming on would be responsible for responding to the centre coming off, similarly for the wingers and defenceman... they should be watching the one they are to replace? I can see this as a sensible answer but also... Hence why also things might go wrong, two Panthers players see the first D coming in but both jump on. This is a difficult one that maybe a Q and A night might answer. |
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Post by iginla on Dec 11, 2018 15:31:43 GMT
I've no idea what the set up is in reality but in my simplistic view, the bench or the on ice players can call for a change but I would have thought, for example the centre coming on would be responsible for responding to the centre coming off, similarly for the wingers and defenceman... they should be watching the one they are to replace? That’s how I understand it works,or used to under Corey. As I said before, I was told by a player that he went on when a certain player came off and it drove him bonkers because that player (Mcaslan) used to saunter slowly off like there was no rush whatsoever. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 16:29:09 GMT
The buck stops with the Coach. The overall responsibility lies with the head coach... but whose actual direct fault is it? Who is actively screwing up? Exactly |
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 11, 2018 16:37:36 GMT
A good measure of this would be the number of line changes per period between this year & last year & then combined against other teams in EIHL/same level leagues.
Perhaps we are making more changes than usual for our level or more than the previous coach.
So we need every teams changes in EIHL/Equiv avg. per period/game for the last few years.
Over to you, bobness. No pressure.
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Post by iginla on Dec 11, 2018 17:16:03 GMT
I've no idea what the set up is in reality but in my simplistic view, the bench or the on ice players can call for a change but I would have thought, for example the centre coming on would be responsible for responding to the centre coming off, similarly for the wingers and defenceman... they should be watching the one they are to replace? I can see this as a sensible answer but also... Hence why also things might go wrong, two Panthers players see the first D coming in but both jump on. This is a difficult one that maybe a Q and A night might answer. Oooh i can’t wait to ask that question at the next Q+A. Now Neil can you please explain why we take so many too many men penalties ? Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by sevcik on Dec 11, 2018 19:04:55 GMT
We took quite a few too many men penalties at home last season.
Now that Neilsons gone other than a few players who is else is a constant from last season... That would be Rick Strachan. If he has any responsibility for line changes then it should be taken off him as it's obviously too difficult for him to handle.
Maybe should concentrate more on game night rather than leaking bits of info from training & the dressing room to select fans or club'volunteers'. I wonder if Rich knows he's doing it...?
And no Dan Green should not have any responsibility for a line change either
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Post by shinobi on Dec 11, 2018 19:30:16 GMT
We took quite a few too many men penalties at home last season. Now that Neilsons gone other than a few players who is else is a constant from last season... That would be Rick Strachan. If he has any responsibility for line changes then it should be taken off him as it's obviously too difficult for him to handle. Maybe should concentrate more on game night rather than leaking bits of info from training & the dressing room to select fans or club'volunteers'. I wonder if Rich knows he's doing it...? And no Dan Green should not have any responsibility for a line change either I thought Green’s job was to open the bench door? |
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Post by sevcik on Dec 11, 2018 20:31:00 GMT
We took quite a few too many men penalties at home last season. Now that Neilsons gone other than a few players who is else is a constant from last season... That would be Rick Strachan. If he has any responsibility for line changes then it should be taken off him as it's obviously too difficult for him to handle. Maybe should concentrate more on game night rather than leaking bits of info from training & the dressing room to select fans or club'volunteers'. I wonder if Rich knows he's doing it...? And no Dan Green should not have any responsibility for a line change either I thought Green’s job was to open the bench door? Put it this way... He's no where near the bench door tonight... Strachan is though.... |
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Post by shinobi on Dec 11, 2018 21:04:21 GMT
I thought Green’s job was to open the bench door? Put it this way... He's no where near the bench door tonight... Strachan is though.... Poor lad; demoted. Is he replacing loo rolls in the gents? |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 11, 2018 21:05:35 GMT
Put it this way... He's no where near the bench door tonight... Strachan is though.... Poor lad; demoted. Is he replacing loo rolls in the gents? Not sure I’d trust him with that to be honest |
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Post by iginla on Dec 11, 2018 21:27:14 GMT
It sounds a really exciting game ! 🙄😆
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Post by shinobi on Dec 11, 2018 21:35:33 GMT
It sounds a really exciting game ! 🙄😆 Maybe you get off your arse and go to a few? |
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