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Post by Shaggy on Dec 9, 2018 22:38:45 GMT
Especially on the game thread for tonight's OT loss in Coventry, people have been asking how many Too Many Men penalties the Panthers have taken so far this season. Assuming the EIHL website is complete and accurate ( oh, I do know how to tell 'em, don't I? ) the answer is as follows:- In 28 league games we have taken no less than 9 TMM penalties In 5 Challenge Cup games, we have taken 3 TMM penalties. So that's 12 TMM penalties in 33 games... which is just over one in every three games! (for a bit of comparison, in those 33 games, our various opponents took a combined total of just 3 TMM penalties... averaging one in every ELEVEN games!) This is way WAY too many! And no... I have no idea why. I can guess, but that's all it would be - a guess. And quite frankly, I don't believe that anyone one this forum actually knows... not that this will stop many from claiming that they do. I'm just waiting to find out how this is all Gary Moran's fault!
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Post by spik on Dec 9, 2018 23:35:34 GMT
There must be a way around how to stop this? If we don't know why it's happening,we can damn well try and focus on NOT letting it happen as much. For a team to be taking so many it's something out there to be corrected.
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Jord v4
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 9, 2018 23:38:41 GMT
There must be a way around how to stop this? Play with 4 skaters on purpose. Occasionally have 5 skaters & not a penalty.
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Post by shinobi on Dec 9, 2018 23:38:49 GMT
I honestly don’t think I have EVER seen that many penalties for that particular penalty. Sad!!
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Post by wgray on Dec 9, 2018 23:40:35 GMT
Especially on the game thread for tonight's OT loss in Coventry, people have been asking how many Too Many Men penalties the Panthers have taken so far this season. Assuming the EIHL website is complete and accurate ( oh, I do know how to tell 'em, don't I? ) the answer is as follows:- In 28 league games we have taken no less than 9 TMM penalties In 5 Challenge Cup games, we have taken 3 TMM penalties. So that's 12 TMM penalties in 33 games... which is just over one in every three games! (for a bit of comparison, in those 33 games, our various opponents took a combined total of just 3 TMM penalties... averaging one in every ELEVEN games!) This is way WAY too many! And no... I have no idea why. I can guess, but that's all it would be - a guess. And quite frankly, I don't believe that anyone one this forum actually knows... not that this will stop many from claiming that they do. I'm just waiting to find out how this is all Gary Moran's fault! Is there a player who has taken them quite significantly?
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Post by iginla on Dec 9, 2018 23:50:10 GMT
Especially on the game thread for tonight's OT loss in Coventry, people have been asking how many Too Many Men penalties the Panthers have taken so far this season. Assuming the EIHL website is complete and accurate ( oh, I do know how to tell 'em, don't I? ) the answer is as follows:- In 28 league games we have taken no less than 9 TMM penalties In 5 Challenge Cup games, we have taken 3 TMM penalties. So that's 12 TMM penalties in 33 games... which is just over one in every three games! (for a bit of comparison, in those 33 games, our various opponents took a combined total of just 3 TMM penalties... averaging one in every ELEVEN games!) This is way WAY too many! And no... I have no idea why. I can guess, but that's all it would be - a guess. And quite frankly, I don't believe that anyone one this forum actually knows... not that this will stop many from claiming that they do. I'm just waiting to find out how this is all Gary Moran's fault! Is there a player who has taken them quite significantly? I have a distinct feeling it’s Kovacs,if it’s the guy who does it who goes in the box
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Post by spik on Dec 9, 2018 23:51:23 GMT
Especially on the game thread for tonight's OT loss in Coventry, people have been asking how many Too Many Men penalties the Panthers have taken so far this season. Assuming the EIHL website is complete and accurate ( oh, I do know how to tell 'em, don't I? ) the answer is as follows:- In 28 league games we have taken no less than 9 TMM penalties In 5 Challenge Cup games, we have taken 3 TMM penalties. So that's 12 TMM penalties in 33 games... which is just over one in every three games! (for a bit of comparison, in those 33 games, our various opponents took a combined total of just 3 TMM penalties... averaging one in every ELEVEN games!) This is way WAY too many! And no... I have no idea why. I can guess, but that's all it would be - a guess. And quite frankly, I don't believe that anyone one this forum actually knows... not that this will stop many from claiming that they do. I'm just waiting to find out how this is all Gary Moran's fault! Is there a player who has taken them quite significantly? One for 'bobness' to look up if at all possible? He watches goal scenarios but we won't have these on film very often if at all in match highlights.Near on too difficult, forward for forward or man for man who is to blame?...The player coming off slow or not, i assume the onus is on the player coming on to time it right.
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Post by Caesar on Dec 9, 2018 23:51:57 GMT
Especially on the game thread for tonight's OT loss in Coventry, people have been asking how many Too Many Men penalties the Panthers have taken so far this season. Assuming the EIHL website is complete and accurate ( oh, I do know how to tell 'em, don't I? ) the answer is as follows:- In 28 league games we have taken no less than 9 TMM penalties In 5 Challenge Cup games, we have taken 3 TMM penalties. So that's 12 TMM penalties in 33 games... which is just over one in every three games! (for a bit of comparison, in those 33 games, our various opponents took a combined total of just 3 TMM penalties... averaging one in every ELEVEN games!) This is way WAY too many! And no... I have no idea why. I can guess, but that's all it would be - a guess. And quite frankly, I don't believe that anyone one this forum actually knows... not that this will stop many from claiming that they do. I'm just waiting to find out how this is all Gary Moran's fault! Is there a player who has taken them quite significantly? Yeah, #99. Seriously though, it's not recorded who it is, so unless someone is watching very very closely at every penalty then we'll never know
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Post by iginla on Dec 9, 2018 23:59:01 GMT
Well I’ve just had a look at EIHL gamesheets and the guy put in the box if that is the correct culprit was..... Kovacs x 5 Farmer x 4 Tvrdon x 3 Betteridge x1
Nobody else seems to appear even once.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 10, 2018 0:20:38 GMT
Something that isn’t a coincidence is that our line changes have got faster and faster over the last few weeks which I’m sure the coach has been working on. It’s been putting a lot of teams under pressure but it looks like a few guys need to be timing things a bit better.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Dec 10, 2018 8:17:38 GMT
Well I’ve just had a look at EIHL gamesheets and the guy put in the box if that is the correct culprit was..... Kovacs x 5 Farmer x 4 Tvrdon x 3 Betteridge x1 Nobody else seems to appear even once. Good to see Tvrdon is settling in quickly.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Dec 10, 2018 9:17:05 GMT
Here is one idea. Rich knows who the lines are - nominate one player to specifically to be last man out - certainly not Kovacs, Farmer or Tvrdon - and make that man specifically responsible for not appearing until the last man in the line change.
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Post by PantherB on Dec 10, 2018 9:59:48 GMT
The Too Many Men call which cost us the game last night was a frustrating one, I don't think it was due to a player being too slow.. If I remember correctly I'm sure there was some kind of collision between either two Panthers players or a Panther and a Blaze player which got tangled up.
Not that it's any excuse anyway. We just need to learn to get off the ice as quick as possible. Too Many Men calls happen in the NHL too so it's not like it's a penalty that can be completely eliminated but the amount of times Panthers take it is absurd.
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Post by Pies on Dec 10, 2018 10:08:52 GMT
It’s no coincidence the players who serve the penalty....it’s always none PK players. The one time Ollie served was I believe because he touched the puck and the ref made him sit. I could be wrong
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iginla
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Post by iginla on Dec 10, 2018 11:21:11 GMT
Who determines which player goes in the box to serve the too many men penalty.....the referee,the coach or if it’s a really obvious one then it’s just the player who jumped on too quick ?
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Post by goon37 on Dec 10, 2018 11:36:44 GMT
I honestly don’t think I have EVER seen that many penalties for that particular penalty. Sad!! The New York Rangers took 5 too many men penalties in the first 11 games this season, including one spell with a too many men call in three straight games. Probably not a coincidence that Panthers and the Rangers have new coaches this season...
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Post by Walitzer on Dec 10, 2018 11:38:33 GMT
Who determines which player goes in the box to serve the too many men penalty.....the referee,the coach or if it’s a really obvious one then it’s just the player who jumped on too quick ? Normally the coach gets to choose from the players who are on the ice at the when the penalty is called.
Hence why you see the same names sitting the penalties, they're players who do not contribute much defensively or on the PK.
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Post by BigLad on Dec 10, 2018 12:29:09 GMT
If I was the coach, I'd be putting the player who would likely cause the opposition trouble when he comes out of the box, i.e. with the chance of a breakaway.
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Post by bobness on Dec 10, 2018 12:39:14 GMT
According to me, including the 2 in the games over the weekend (which aren't on the attached pic) Panthers have conceded 13, 10 in the league (including 2 in one period vs MK the other day) and 3 in the Cup. 3 goals conceded on those PKs so far. 6 TMM penalties in the last 7 league games... I think the coach can nominate a player to serve the penalty, from the on ice players. That's why mostly they are served by non D men, and non PK-ing forwards. An interesting stat would be how prevalent TMM penalties are for other teams. That kind of stat, I sadly don't have...
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Post by Walitzer on Dec 10, 2018 12:47:24 GMT
If I was the coach, I'd be putting the player who would likely cause the opposition trouble when he comes out of the box, i.e. with the chance of a breakaway. Well its not often you get a massive choice, you're not going to sit a D man going onto the PK, but you also want your good centers back on the bench to win defensive zone faceoffs and short shift on the forcheck. So you're only left with wingers, of which you have two to choose between. So of the two, you choose the lesser skilled or less defensively minded player, ideally someone who has speed and some finishing to get the breakaway rush as they leave the box.
It makes sense who Rich is sitting, Farmer, Kovacs and Tvrdon all meet the criteria.
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Post by iginla on Dec 10, 2018 12:58:09 GMT
If I was the coach, I'd be putting the player who would likely cause the opposition trouble when he comes out of the box, i.e. with the chance of a breakaway. Well its not often you get a massive choice, you're not going to sit a D man going onto the PK, but you also want your good centers back on the bench to win defensive zone faceoffs and short shift on the forcheck. So you're only left with wingers, of which you have two to choose between. So of the two, you choose the lesser skilled or less defensively minded player, ideally someone who has speed and some finishing to get the breakaway rush as they leave the box.
It makes sense who Rich is sitting, Farmer, Kovacs and Tvrdon all meet the criteria. Robert Farmer.....Speed ! 🤔
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Post by Walitzer on Dec 10, 2018 13:20:17 GMT
Well its not often you get a massive choice, you're not going to sit a D man going onto the PK, but you also want your good centers back on the bench to win defensive zone faceoffs and short shift on the forcheck. So you're only left with wingers, of which you have two to choose between. So of the two, you choose the lesser skilled or less defensively minded player, ideally someone who has speed and some finishing to get the breakaway rush as they leave the box.
It makes sense who Rich is sitting, Farmer, Kovacs and Tvrdon all meet the criteria. Robert Farmer.....Speed ! 🤔 He's far from graceful on the ice, but he does have some speed on the breakaway. I'd even guess Farmer has had the most breakaway opportunities on the team this year.
However far too many shots end up going centremass and straight into the logo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 18:50:37 GMT
What seems to have been over looked here is why with 15 SECONDS left in the period/game are they making a line change?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 19:55:14 GMT
What seems to have been over looked here is why with 15 SECONDS left in the period/game are they making a line change? Blame the Coach! 😉
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 20:43:57 GMT
What seems to have been over looked here is why with 15 SECONDS left in the period/game are they making a line change? Blame the Coach! 😉 Or his assistants. In the NHL head coaches don't control line changes mate
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