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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 22:14:22 GMT
I'm glad we have a coach who's prepared to tell the refs what we've known for years... That they are bloody crap! And I don't want to hear "without refs we won't have a game" rubbish. They are incompetent idiots It was an obvious too many men penalty, even I managed to count all 6. He then dropped us right in it. It's one thing the crowd jeering the refs, quite another him costing us goals. I can imagine what your response would've been had a certain former coach done that. Totally hypothetical!! A certain former coach would have just stood there like a cardboard cut out..
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Post by Yotes on Nov 18, 2018 22:31:22 GMT
Least we'd only have been 5-on-4. Maybe we should get a Cherno cardboard cutout made and leave the real thing in the locker room?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 22:36:53 GMT
And you totally miss the point.. as usual
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 22:40:11 GMT
Anyway.. Panthers won... 3 point weekend pretty happy with that. Impressed early on with Tvrdon. We move onto next weekend.
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Post by oldman on Nov 18, 2018 22:52:46 GMT
Well a few things first i think that comment Spence is quite arrogant about the fanbase, that said yes the too many men was right however that could and should have been called on Fife on at least two occasions as well, also Farmer was a stupid pen he got suckered into that but when have you seen Kovacs that annoyed before and when is it ok for a liner to manhandle the guy into the box? One of the referees looked way out of his depth in that game amd losing an experienced liner didnt help however we squeezed a win nevertheless, even though for me this team is still misfiring so many passes not completed and still play like strangers at times.
As for a coach with some passion i for one like to see that !
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Post by nottinghamsenator on Nov 18, 2018 23:15:11 GMT
Some impeccable work from Garnett in the shootout, particularly with Fife’s 3rd shooter.
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Post by DMS on Nov 18, 2018 23:55:41 GMT
Well a few things first i think that comment Spence is quite arrogant about the fanbase, that said yes the too many men was right however that could and should have been called on Fife on at least two occasions as well, also Farmer was a stupid pen he got suckered into that but when have you seen Kovacs that annoyed before and when is it ok for a liner to manhandle the guy into the box? One of the referees looked way out of his depth in that game amd losing an experienced liner didnt help however we squeezed a win nevertheless, even though for me this team is still misfiring so many passes not completed and still play like strangers at times. As for a coach with some passion i for one like to see that ! I never said I didn’t like the fact the coach showed passion. I am a big fan of Chernomaz and his style. He wasn’t manhandled into the box in my opinion. He was restraining Kovacs initially which is his job, Kovacs was not going straight to the box as he should. At the time it looked an accident. Going by the highlights he hasn’t done anything overboard in the context of the situation. If Kovacs had gone straight to the box it wouldn’t have ever been an issue. You’re more than welcome to your opinion that my comment is arrogant regarding the fan base however on a weekly basis there are a high number of fans (around me a number of people that have been going longer than the 10 years I have) absolutely losing their minds over correct calls and whilst doing that are shouting things that prove they don’t understand the rules.
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Post by oldman on Nov 19, 2018 0:18:30 GMT
well i have been going for a bit longer than ten years in fact the top i had on today was at least 14 years ago and i have someone calling for everything near me, thing is i ignore them most of the time and sometimes i find it quite funny but that is probably how they enjoy supporting the team, different strokes etc (have you thought about moving?)
My comment about the coach was a general one not aimed at you, as for the Kovacs incident well i put that down to a difference of opinion i thought his action was OTT myself.
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Post by Higgy on Nov 19, 2018 7:05:48 GMT
The thing is though,fans who have been going for years really should know the rules by now. Knowing that when the puck fires over the glass it is only a delay of the game penalty when it's is shot over from the defensive zone for example.
People shouting everything under the sun at the refs when they got the call right just makes people sound a bit stupid to be honest.
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Post by PantherB on Nov 19, 2018 10:09:46 GMT
The calls fans were shouting about were generally calls which the players were also unhappy with. There were multiple non calls, whether it was Fife putting the puck out of play, the delay of game we got, other missed calls, a couple ridiculous icing calls and then the too many men/abuse/unsportsmanlike issue. Now I agree that fans sometimes get it very wrong and cry about nothing but when you see the players getting worked up every couple minutes about a call or non call, how can anyone expect the fans to sit there and not also get annoyed. They're on the ice, they know more than we do.
If people want to moan, they can.
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Post by Higgy on Nov 19, 2018 11:06:48 GMT
The calls fans were shouting about were generally calls which the players were also unhappy with. There were multiple non calls, whether it was Fife putting the puck out of play, the delay of game we got, other missed calls, a couple ridiculous icing calls and then the too many men/abuse/unsportsmanlike issue. Now I agree that fans sometimes get it very wrong and cry about nothing but when you see the players getting worked up every couple minutes about a call or non call, how can anyone expect the fans to sit there and not also get annoyed. They're on the ice, they know more than we do. If people want to moan, they can. Oh of course I agree,we are all fans and it wouldn't be sport of we didn't get angry about bemusing calls. My point was a general one about some fans lack of understanding of basic rules and getting angry at the refs for calls which are accurate (my delay of game call example)
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Post by Dan on Nov 19, 2018 11:07:39 GMT
Well a few things first i think that comment Spence is quite arrogant about the fanbase, that said yes the too many men was right however that could and should have been called on Fife on at least two occasions as well, also Farmer was a stupid pen he got suckered into that but when have you seen Kovacs that annoyed before and when is it ok for a liner to manhandle the guy into the box? One of the referees looked way out of his depth in that game amd losing an experienced liner didnt help however we squeezed a win nevertheless, even though for me this team is still misfiring so many passes not completed and still play like strangers at times. As for a coach with some passion i for one like to see that ! Passion is something most fanbases call for, but ultimately you don’t really want your coach screaming and shouting and losing his head. It’s not the best impression to leave for your team really, and as we saw it only ends up costing the team in the long run. Be it in immediate penalties or slightly less sympathetic reffing for the rest of the game. Referees are criticised in every level of every sport in the world. There isn’t the money to take them to the next level.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Nov 19, 2018 11:49:11 GMT
The thing is though,fans who have been going for years really should know the rules by now. Knowing that when the puck fires over the glass it is only a delay of the game penalty when it's is shot over from the defensive zone for example. People shouting everything under the sun at the refs when they got the call right just makes people sound a bit stupid to be honest. when the ref makes a call against us I tend to take the view that 'is there a reason why he shouldn't make that call ?' It's a natural reaction if a call goes against your team to immediately think it's wrong, but the refs don't make calls just for the sake of it (you'd like to think anyway) and therefore if I was an opposition fan, would I have been looking for that call. Case in point, I wasn't surprised when Farmer got 2 mins for roughing yesterday, as he carried on the argument and then involved Aarsen by pushing at him. If it was Fitzy doing that to us, you bet our crowd would have been baying for a call from the ref. And I bet if you asked round the crowd what constitutes delay of game, most people wouldn't be able to explain it. They just see the puck leaving the ice, hear a whistle, and expect a call.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 19, 2018 12:14:14 GMT
Given the chance I wonder what Flyers players fans would swap for ours.
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Post by Higgy on Nov 19, 2018 12:25:11 GMT
Given the chance I wonder what Flyers players fans would swap for ours. I'd take Owen in goal over Garnett
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 19, 2018 12:44:39 GMT
Given the chance I wonder what Flyers players fans would swap for ours. I'd take Owen in goal over Garnett Yes Owen but what outfield players.
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Post by DMS on Nov 19, 2018 12:50:11 GMT
I'd take Owen in goal over Garnett Yes Owen but what outfield players. None for me. I wasn’t that impressed with flyers at all. They struggled to control passes, despite scoring twice their power play was sloppy. Not a physical team. Granted it could’ve just been an off night but on that evidence I don’t understand why they’re where they are in the league.
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Post by Mark on Nov 19, 2018 13:12:29 GMT
Fife are where they are in the league because other than Cardiff and Belfast, all the other teams are a bit crap.
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Post by bobness on Nov 19, 2018 14:19:26 GMT
Was Hughes a healthy scratch or injured?
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Post by ted logan on Nov 19, 2018 14:25:04 GMT
Was Hughes a healthy scratch or injured? ‘Precautionary’ according to Twitter pre-game
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Post by iginla on Nov 19, 2018 14:40:46 GMT
Given the chance I wonder what Flyers players fans would swap for ours. I’d take Shane Owen and Brett Bulmer
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 19, 2018 14:43:02 GMT
Yes Owen but what outfield players. None for me. I wasn’t that impressed with flyers at all. They struggled to control passes, despite scoring twice their power play was sloppy. Not a physical team. Granted it could’ve just been an off night but on that evidence I don’t understand why they’re where they are in the league. I agree. They have a fortress at home but away they look pretty much mid table. If our forwards started scoring properly I’m sure we would be a handful for anyone. We seem to be in a cycle of one good game and then a poor game where teams are taking points they really shouldn’t be.
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Post by iginla on Nov 19, 2018 14:45:38 GMT
Fife will have dropped places by seasons end. Can’t see them any higher than 4th/5th come the end of March.
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Post by ted logan on Nov 19, 2018 15:43:54 GMT
Given the chance I wonder what Flyers players fans would swap for ours. I’d take Shane Owen and Brett Bulmer I was quite impressed with Bulmer
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 15:50:44 GMT
None for me. I wasn’t that impressed with flyers at all. They struggled to control passes, despite scoring twice their power play was sloppy. Not a physical team. Granted it could’ve just been an off night but on that evidence I don’t understand why they’re where they are in the league. I agree. They have a fortress at home but away they look pretty much mid table. If our forwards started scoring properly I’m sure we would be a handful for anyone. We seem to be in a cycle of one good game and then a poor game where teams are taking points they really shouldn’t be. It wasn't a fortress on Saturday!
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