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Post by Jord v4 on Nov 5, 2018 11:48:36 GMT
Probably yes, we miss Strachan hugely, that calming influence when under pressure, he led by example and players like that don’t grow on trees. We are still though 4.41 goals for and 2.16 goals against average per game, where you guys are 3 goals for and 3.11 goals against average per game. So who knows we have a great coach to sort that one out. In reply to Jord post. You're still clearly the best side the league has. Just interesting that a key injury can be perceived to effect you as it can us all.
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Post by DMS on Nov 5, 2018 12:16:04 GMT
So did none of our big tough team seek retribution on Blood last night then ? I can't even remember the last time anyone stood up for a teammate. Springer was playing dirty on Friday, two specific incidents with Kovacs and Betteridge, Lepine on the ice at the time and nothing. Rissling gets put hard into the boards last night and Blood takes Henderson out of the game, but nothing. I don't feel there was a particularly right time last night to drop the gloves but I hope something happens perhaps next game against Devils. However, against Storm, there was no better time to fight really. Storm were short benched, Springer would've been playing 25-30 minutes that game and he was causing all kinds of trouble, take him out of the game for 5 minutes or more and we'd have put ourselves in a great position. They would've had 4 D I think, if that!. I love a good fight but I don't want to see them every game, but it's so frustrating when we have guys who were signed because of their toughness and they just stand there like a lemon. How long will it be before another Brad Moran type hit? We're letting teams bully us and I'm not a fan of it. After rissling was hit he got straight up and went to rip bloods glove off but upon realising we were going on the power play stopped. After weeks of indiscipline I was actually glad to see us understand the importance of the actual situation. I do hope at some point there is retribution but I felt we dealt with the situation correctly last night to ensure the points were secured first and foremost.
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 5, 2018 13:30:57 GMT
I can't even remember the last time anyone stood up for a teammate. Springer was playing dirty on Friday, two specific incidents with Kovacs and Betteridge, Lepine on the ice at the time and nothing. Rissling gets put hard into the boards last night and Blood takes Henderson out of the game, but nothing. I don't feel there was a particularly right time last night to drop the gloves but I hope something happens perhaps next game against Devils. However, against Storm, there was no better time to fight really. Storm were short benched, Springer would've been playing 25-30 minutes that game and he was causing all kinds of trouble, take him out of the game for 5 minutes or more and we'd have put ourselves in a great position. They would've had 4 D I think, if that!. I love a good fight but I don't want to see them every game, but it's so frustrating when we have guys who were signed because of their toughness and they just stand there like a lemon. How long will it be before another Brad Moran type hit? We're letting teams bully us and I'm not a fan of it. After rissling was hit he got straight up and went to rip bloods glove off but upon realising we were going on the power play stopped. After weeks of indiscipline I was actually glad to see us understand the importance of the actual situation. I do hope at some point there is retribution but I felt we dealt with the situation correctly last night to ensure the points were secured first and foremost. Spot on. The Panthers have (justifiably IMO) come in for some stick for taking too many penalties... it's good to see that players are bringing some thought to the process, not just acting on spinal reflex.
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 5, 2018 14:00:16 GMT
It was very good to see the offensive flair making a comeback... I remain convinced that Cardiff are still the strongest team defensively in this league, but when we're on form - which IMO was the case yesterday - the Panthers edge them on offence. It has to be noted however, that our defence did work their socks off to restrict Cardiff's forwards a lot.
But for an undoubtedly good team... they weren't half a dirty bunch of sods, and the refs just let it happen! When even a Cardiff fan admits that they got an unfair advantage from the officials (and I quote : "Despite some questionable calls in our favour from the refs, we aren’t making Nottingham pay") you know there's something going on.
Discounting the pretty much irrelevant 'Aladdin Cup' games, that's three meetings between the two sides - all of which have gone to the home side by a one-goal margin. It doesn't get much tighter than that. Very entertaining hockey all round.
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Post by bobness on Nov 5, 2018 16:34:39 GMT
One wonders what may happen if Cardiff's cheapskate owners replaced long-termly injured Faryna and the import Dman that was supposed to be Parisi, with more than a first year pro Brit. They must be only interested in profit. :-)
In terms of penalties, in all competitive games this year, Panthers have only conceded 12 more penalty minutes than the opposition. In league games, it's actually less PIMs conceded. So not really as indisciplined as some think, overall.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Nov 5, 2018 18:48:41 GMT
Dont know if this has appeared elsewhere "More News from the @physiodirectuk Treatment Room: Kevin Henderson to miss 4-6 weeks after picking up an injury in Sunday's 3-2 win over the Cardiff Devils."
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 5, 2018 18:48:53 GMT
Regards the slash and injury on Henderson. Should the video show a clear slash then it should be 2 games at least(asuming we request a review that is). Going back some now, but thats what Hotham got for putting Dinmen out with a break in Feb 2017. Strangely almost exactly the same place on the NIC ice too IIRC.
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BigLad
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Post by BigLad on Nov 5, 2018 19:29:13 GMT
6:50
Needs a review IMO.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 5, 2018 19:37:01 GMT
Only got it on my phone screen, but doesn't look like a slash there. Odd looking injury really. Should still have a look at it.
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Post by wannabe2 on Nov 5, 2018 19:49:33 GMT
It certainly isn’t a slash, nothing like one, Blood turns his back and backs into Henderson, he then shoots the puck at goal, a bit different than people spouting off that he shot the puck at Henderson, give me a break. Blood is far from a angel, but when you sign a Doty you ain’t whiter than white yourself, except it’s okay to have a dick on your team, but not okay for others to have a dick on theirs. Don’t you just love this sport.
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 5, 2018 19:56:29 GMT
Only got it on my phone screen, but doesn't look like a slash there. Odd looking injury really. Should still have a look at it. Nothing like one as it turns out. 🤣 In terms of the injury just looks very unlucky. Somehow managed to do some serious damage that keeps him out for some time.
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Post by kievthegreat on Nov 5, 2018 20:02:09 GMT
Only got it on my phone screen, but doesn't look like a slash there. Odd looking injury really. Should still have a look at it. Not a slash at all, but a definite interference. - Henderson never has the puck and is not a valid target - Blood deviates from his path and lowers his body with the sole intention of making an illegal check - Henderson is unaware of the incoming impact until the last second as he's clearly looking in the puck, not the player coming in at 90 degrees to the where he's skating and behind the play. I think an upgrade to a match penalty would be fair having watched the replay. Not sure you'd ever get more than that.
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Post by iginla on Nov 5, 2018 20:20:14 GMT
Looks more like an elbow to me and a late/illegal hit. Worthy of at least a game ban though considering Blood had no need to do what he did and changed course to do it.
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Post by wannabe2 on Nov 5, 2018 20:20:28 GMT
Only got it on my phone screen, but doesn't look like a slash there. Odd looking injury really. Should still have a look at it. Not a slash at all, but a definite interference. - Henderson never has the puck and is not a valid target - Blood deviates from his path and lowers his body with the sole intention of making an illegal check - Henderson is unaware of the incoming impact until the last second as he's clearly looking in the puck, not the player coming in at 90 degrees to the where he's skating and behind the play. I think an upgrade to a match penalty would be fair having watched the replay. Not sure you'd ever get more than that. Common sense at last.
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 5, 2018 22:28:59 GMT
Not a slash at all, but a definite interference. - Henderson never has the puck and is not a valid target - Blood deviates from his path and lowers his body with the sole intention of making an illegal check - Henderson is unaware of the incoming impact until the last second as he's clearly looking in the puck, not the player coming in at 90 degrees to the where he's skating and behind the play. I think an upgrade to a match penalty would be fair having watched the replay. Not sure you'd ever get more than that. Common sense at last. Bet you'd change your tune if the jerseys on the two players had been reversed... a patently illegal and deliberate hit - a dangerous hit because the receiving player wasn't expecting it, not having had the puck at all - resulting in serious injury. The Cardiff fanbase would be baying for blood (so to speak ) and you know it as well as I do. This is the kind of thing that DOPS is specifically intended to deal with (if you believe the official line... which I don't) - but will probably sweep right under the carpet along with many, many others.
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Post by bobness on Nov 7, 2018 9:40:48 GMT
I don't know. It's a minor for interference for me, with a totally accidental injury outcome. Those kinds of challenges happen 20 times a game. I'm no fan of Blood, but I don't think there's anything in that bar a (missed) minor.
Nice to see Farmer get a Tony Hand assist on the second goal. He was nowhere near the ice or the goal, yet the gamesheet has him on ice with the primary assist! The goal should be 12 from 6 (Olsen got it from a Devil's stick), whereas the gamesheet has 12 from 19 and 49. I'm not quite sure how you do that, but one assumes they'll put that right at some stage...
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Post by Caesar on Nov 7, 2018 13:08:34 GMT
Wow!! Didn't see that coming. Blood leaves Cardiff for a 2 year deal in Finland. Guess we'll never know if DOPS looked at it
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Post by Yotes on Nov 7, 2018 13:54:18 GMT
It should still be reviewed. A ban for Blood, being an import, would've meant they lost an import slot, whether they had a spare or not. Now that might not matter but they should still go through the motions in case they pickup the Rupert Twins before the weekend.
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Post by wannabe2 on Nov 7, 2018 14:42:19 GMT
It should still be reviewed. A ban for Blood, being an import, would've meant they lost an import slot, whether they had a spare or not. Now that might not matter but they should still go through the motions in case they pickup the Rupert Twins before the weekend. Our club is too classy to pick up Steelers cast offs, maybe if Doty was available we would pull out all the stops to get him. Maybe next season.👍👍👍
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Post by PantherTom on Nov 7, 2018 15:10:59 GMT
It certainly isn’t a slash, nothing like one, Blood turns his back and backs into Henderson, he then shoots the puck at goal, a bit different than people spouting off that he shot the puck at Henderson, give me a break. Blood is far from a angel, but when you sign a Doty you ain’t whiter than white yourself, except it’s okay to have a dick on your team, but not okay for others to have a dick on theirs. Don’t you just love this sport. If blood shot the puck on goal, then it was very far wide.....
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Post by wannabe2 on Nov 7, 2018 15:15:48 GMT
It certainly isn’t a slash, nothing like one, Blood turns his back and backs into Henderson, he then shoots the puck at goal, a bit different than people spouting off that he shot the puck at Henderson, give me a break. Blood is far from a angel, but when you sign a Doty you ain’t whiter than white yourself, except it’s okay to have a dick on your team, but not okay for others to have a dick on theirs. Don’t you just love this sport. If blood shot the puck on goal, then it was very far wide..... Thankfully he wasn’t signed as a sniper.😉
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 7, 2018 15:25:04 GMT
It should still be reviewed. A ban for Blood, being an import, would've meant they lost an import slot, whether they had a spare or not. Now that might not matter but they should still go through the motions in case they pickup the Rupert Twins before the weekend. With Cardiff playing tonight you'd have thought we'd have heard something by now.
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 7, 2018 15:34:24 GMT
It should still be reviewed. A ban for Blood, being an import, would've meant they lost an import slot, whether they had a spare or not. Now that might not matter but they should still go through the motions in case they pickup the Rupert Twins before the weekend. With Cardiff playing tonight you'd have thought we'd have heard something by now. As expected. The DOP(e)S Show is a travesty and has been since day one. Any excuse to brush something under the carpet... by their own published rules that should have been reviewed, but you can bet they didn't even bother, nor is anything likely to be said on the subject.
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Post by iginla on Nov 7, 2018 16:01:45 GMT
With Cardiff playing tonight you'd have thought we'd have heard something by now. As expected. The DOP(e)S Show is a travesty and has been since day one. Any excuse to brush something under the carpet... by their own published rules that should have been reviewed, but you can bet they didn't even bother, nor is anything likely to be said on the subject. Moran and Kelman....thick as thieves behind the scenes ! 😉
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Post by bobness on Nov 7, 2018 17:24:48 GMT
Shaggy, there's recently been a thread on THF (you remember...) whereby someone who I have little doubt is "in the know" said that DOPS does review a lot of plays, but only the ones that require supplementary discipline are announced publically. Essentially, no public news means DOPS agree with the call/non call...
"DOPS review a lot more items now than when the system was first introduced in November 2017 - the original scope of what would be reviewed was very defined, and the process a little more drawn out.
The Hockey Ops Department worked with the Board and DOPS to help bring that whole process forward an extra step this season, and make it a much more comprehensive setup which is much more closely aligned with what you'll see in other pro leagues around the world.
The result is a lot more is being looked at, but in that same vein it became somewhat impractical to publish a massive list of everything that was being looked at - especially when the vast majority of stuff ends in no further action.
Basically, put the tin foil hats away"
As I've said, I'm no great fan of Blood, but it's a minor for interference for me (at most) with an unintended outcome. You can put your own conspiracy theory here if you like.
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