Jord v4
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 9, 2018 9:49:00 GMT
Feel this deserves its own thread.
Back when RC was applointed I said that how Panthers deal with injuries would be intriguing to view.... Well it appears little has changed & imo points to ultimately where the power lies.
The fans have always been kept in the dark on this topic & we have the same old this season. Info is sparse & now only people with a very slight insight spread rumours on twitter & ocasionly on this forum. Now there's no harm in telling the fans nothing... But it hardly inspires confidence/trust in the organization. do we actually have a right to know though...?
I honestly thought that the new coach would demand more from the organization regarding to injury cover but I must admit i'm dissapointed so far. Does RC tow the line on this & play it as advised? It seems that way to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 10:13:23 GMT
When he gets interviewed he's never asked how a player is out for and if he's actively seeking cover .. why? The only time he's mentioned a player being out was pre game on free sports but not by a Panthers reporter !!
So i say why isn't he being asked questions on pressing matters?
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Post by iginla on Oct 9, 2018 10:27:47 GMT
In short Panthers apathy towards injury cover is nothing short of disgraceful. Always has been and it appears nothing has changed in the “supposed” new era. Sheffield might be in a right old mess but at least they’re trying to do something about it. Meanwhile in Pantherland....we’re watching Goundhog day yet again !!!!!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 9, 2018 10:50:12 GMT
The apathy towards putting up a genuine challenge for the league hasn’t changed much either. I guess stuff like this doesn’t matter so long as the money keeps rolling in. When’s the first quiz night by the way?
And talking about the struggling Steelers, they didn’t struggle against us a couple of weeks back did they.
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Post by EMB on Oct 9, 2018 11:00:40 GMT
[/p] I honestly thought that the new coach would demand more from the organization regarding to injury cover but I must admit i'm dissapointed so far. Does RC tow the line on this & play it as advised? It seems that way to me.
[/quote] Of course he tows the line, just like the last coach. Just like he was told who the assistants would be. Time will tell whether he's happy about certain situations because come the end of the season he can walk away.
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Post by wannabe2 on Oct 9, 2018 11:02:36 GMT
When he gets interviewed he's never asked how a player is out for and if he's actively seeking cover .. why? The only time he's mentioned a player being out was pre game on free sports but not by a Panthers reporter !! So i say why isn't he being asked questions on pressing matters? There’s not a coach in this league that would voluntarily and honestly answer those questions, this information is kept in house, and in fairness it’s correct. It’s sometimes about mind games, and not letting your guard down.
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Post by Caesar on Oct 9, 2018 11:10:05 GMT
So, will we get an injury update on the OS this afternoon now? 🤣🤣
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Post by iginla on Oct 9, 2018 11:25:26 GMT
So, will we get an injury update on the OS this afternoon now? 🤣🤣 Probably yes....then again,all the tickets are already sold for Saturdays game. And if we do get an update it will be full of the usual uncertainties,maybe’s,possibles and whatever other crap they can think of. I lost faith in Panthers medical team many years ago,they seem about as good as the management.....bloody secretive and useless !
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Post by EMB on Oct 9, 2018 11:59:31 GMT
All you want to hear now is that Sam Gospel will play on Saturday and rest Garnett for Sunday.
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 9, 2018 12:16:55 GMT
I lost faith in Panthers medical team many years ago,they seem about as good as the management.....bloody secretive and useless ! I totally refute this remark. I have worked with the Panthers team doctor on many occasions and he is an excellent, truly professional person. Its not their place to divulge information about injuries and without anything more than your layman's understanding of both injury severity and treatment options, you have no grounds to rate their effectiveness as healthcare professionals.
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Post by pantherlee on Oct 9, 2018 12:36:47 GMT
I think the way the club gives updates about injuries is simply not up to scratch. i don't really see the need for secrecy and withholding what injuries players have and how long they're estimated to be out for. Take Rheault for instance i have no idea whats wrong with him or how long he's out for as the club have said absolutely nothing and had no idea that Hughes was missing the Coventry until i didn't see him come skate through the inflatable bear. I've read what people have put on hear but thats nothing official and really poor from the club
As regard to replacements I'm not so sure. People jump the gun stamping their feet demanding replacements but its early season and still very early for clubs to be releasing players in any real volume so the players just might not be there to sign. And before anybody mentions Sheffield would anyone be happy if we'd brought a Westerling in? Or would you rather wait a little while until a Luke Pither becomes available?
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 9, 2018 12:41:15 GMT
Any information passed onto fans regarding players injuries adds to the opposition's team talk when said players are back playing again.
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Post by iginla on Oct 9, 2018 12:42:45 GMT
I lost faith in Panthers medical team many years ago,they seem about as good as the management.....bloody secretive and useless ! I totally refute this remark. I have worked with the Panthers team doctor on many occasions and he is an excellent, truly professional person. Its not their place to divulge information about injuries and without anything more than your layman's understanding of both injury severity and treatment options, you have no grounds to rate their effectiveness as healthcare professionals. Even a laymen like me could type a website article saying player X has a lower body injury and is expected to be out for 3 weeks. But obviously Panthers management are not up to laymen’s standard ! They just hide,say nothing and hope nobody notices we are 3 imports short. I don’t want to know which muscle he’s strained in which groin,I just want to know how long he’s expected to be out and what the bloody hell are we doing about it.
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Post by pantherlee on Oct 9, 2018 12:47:31 GMT
Any information passed onto fans regarding players injuries adds to the opposition's team talk when said players are back playing again. Football and other sports don't have this problem why should ice hockey?
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 9, 2018 12:51:56 GMT
Football and other sports don't have this problem why should ice hockey? Other sports (especially contact ones) do have this problem, which is why they use general descriptors such as 'lower body injury.
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Post by iginla on Oct 9, 2018 13:06:17 GMT
Football and other sports don't have this problem why should ice hockey? Other sports (especially contact ones) do have this problem, which is why they use general descriptors such as 'lower body injury. I don’t care if they tell me he has a broken toe when really he’s sprained his wrist. I just want to know how long he’s expected to be out for. It’s not hard to keep fans informed is it,seems at times though,in fact most of the time,like the club either don’t care we’re short or just enjoy playing games with the fans !
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 9, 2018 13:14:32 GMT
Even a laymen like me could type a website article saying player X has a lower body injury and is expected to be out for 3 weeks. But obviously Panthers management are not up to laymen’s standard ! They just hide,say nothing and hope nobody notices we are 3 imports short. I don’t want to know which muscle he’s strained in which groin,I just want to know how long he’s expected to be out and what the bloody hell are we doing about it. It seems your issue is with the Panthers management, I was refuting the comments you directed at the Panthers medical staff. The former are responsible for divulging (or otherwise) information, the later are not.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 9, 2018 13:46:01 GMT
Pretty near all the players from all the teams know each other anyway so to think that an injury is “secret” is naive in the extreme.
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Post by ted logan on Oct 9, 2018 13:48:03 GMT
I don’t really care about how much info they do (or don’t) give to the media or the fans.
What I care about is if (and it’s an if) they know from early on that a player has a injury that could sideline him for a large chunk of the season, what are they doing about it? If other teams manage to adequately replace their injured players and we don’t, then they deserve any flak coming their way. They can hardly say that the way they do things works either. One league title in the (world famous) NIC era says otherwise.
There’s been a lot of positivity and goodwill built up pre season and early season. It would be a shame to erode all (or most) of that through this perennial lack of thought towards how to cope with the inevitable injuries.
There are two approaches to me that would work. Either be proactive and carry spares. Or be reactive and replace players with long term injuries. Unfortunately, Panthers seem to repeatedly choose to do very little/nothing. It’s this which infuriates the fans/walking wallets.
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Post by iginla on Oct 9, 2018 14:30:50 GMT
I don’t really care about how much info they do (or don’t) give to the media or the fans. What I care about is if (and it’s an if) they know from early on that a player has a injury that could sideline him for a large chunk of the season, what are they doing about it? If other teams manage to adequately replace their injured players and we don’t, then they deserve any flak coming their way. They can hardly say that the way they do things works either. One league title in the (world famous) NIC era says otherwise. There’s been a lot of positivity and goodwill built up pre season and early season. It would be a shame to erode all (or most) of that through this perennial lack of thought towards how to cope with the inevitable injuries. There are two approaches to me that would work. Either be proactive and carry spares. Or be reactive and replace players with long term injuries. Unfortunately, Panthers seem to repeatedly choose to do very little/nothing. It’s this which infuriates the fans/walking wallets. Spot on this post.....Exactly my thoughts too.
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Oct 9, 2018 17:37:27 GMT
When he gets interviewed he's never asked how a player is out for and if he's actively seeking cover .. why? The only time he's mentioned a player being out was pre game on free sports but not by a Panthers reporter !! So i say why isn't he being asked questions on pressing matters? I can't stand the interviews we get especially the players interviews, same old pre scripted rubbish. I watched a Paul Thompson interview the other week with the Sheffield star I think. And although it did seem to put pressure on his job, it was a much better interview asking questions we want to hear. We get 45 seconds of them same thing on a weekly basis. I really don't know why I waste my time listening to them still.
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Post by dreadface on Oct 10, 2018 12:54:03 GMT
Quick question for the stats folks if you've got the time. I would love to see how facts stack up against the perception and see if Panthers genuinely are worse than other teams at bringing in cover. Is there any way of measuring this?
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Post by shinobi on Oct 10, 2018 13:26:32 GMT
Quick question for the stats folks if you've got the time. I would love to see how facts stack up against the perception and see if Panthers genuinely are worse than other teams at bringing in cover. Is there any way of measuring this? Thompson seemed to be quick, prepared, call it what you will, to axe players. Not sure about anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 14:07:27 GMT
OK, these are genuine questions, which I don't expect anyone other than club management be able to answer, but intrigue reading some other posts. However here goes, as I know many here will have an opinion.
At the start of the season, I presume the club gives the coach a budget to work on. He signs a squad, then players get injured and need replacements :
1. Does the club already have insurance for injured players? Thus budget is freed up for replacements. 2. Given that it is early season, does the club have to give any replacements any guarantee of employment for season, as it is obviously an injury replacement? (I know about 2 week notice period) 3. Would any professional player move to a club knowing after 3 months (player fit again) he will be cut?
I know that I have made assumptions that all the budget has been spent on the original squad, however I'm not sure a coach would under spend on the chance he needs injury cover. Also, the teams with additional players from the off, must have anticipated needing more with the budget they started on.
What are your thoughts?
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Post by iginla on Oct 10, 2018 14:09:13 GMT
Quick question for the stats folks if you've got the time. I would love to see how facts stack up against the perception and see if Panthers genuinely are worse than other teams at bringing in cover. Is there any way of measuring this? Probably be a bit unfair across the whole league as there would be half the teams that probably can’t afford to be shipping in spares. A comparison between the 4 or 5 bigger clubs who should be able to afford it would be good though,but a pig of a job to think how you’d do it.
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