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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 10:05:48 GMT
I do think Panthers will think twice about giving a netminder a uni deal in future. Big risk. If it's a forward, you can change things up if he's not performing. A goalie, you're stuck with if they aren't performing. Or you get a 2nd goalie, which begs the question, why are we using a uni deal on a backup?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 27, 2018 10:12:38 GMT
I do think Panthers will think twice about giving a netminder a uni deal in future. Big risk. If it's a forward, you can change things up if he's not performing. A goalie, you're stuck with if they aren't performing. Or you get a 2nd goalie, which begs the question, why are we using a uni deal on a backup? Especially a backup on the downward slope.
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Post by Caesar on Apr 27, 2018 10:22:13 GMT
Can i ask, that if anyone on here actually knows something, then please have the balls to say it, quote figures, or name names. Other wise keep your trap shut cos you just make yourself look like a pillock
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Post by Yotes on Apr 27, 2018 11:12:32 GMT
I do think Panthers will think twice about giving a netminder a uni deal in future. Big risk. If it's a forward, you can change things up if he's not performing. A goalie, you're stuck with if they aren't performing. Or you get a 2nd goalie, which begs the question, why are we using a uni deal on a backup? Quite. Should've thought twice about it in the first place. I don't particularly like giving the deal to anyone straight off the bat (although it's what we've always done), but goalie is a unique position.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Apr 27, 2018 11:29:55 GMT
I see Pacl is looking for a club and has tweeted to that effect. Regarding Garnett - yes apparently it was a problem balancing studies and practice.
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 27, 2018 11:39:43 GMT
Was Galbraith clearly better than Garnett last season?
I didn't attend enough to form a fair judgement.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 27, 2018 11:46:05 GMT
Was Galbraith clearly better than Garnett last season? I didn't attend enough to form a fair judgement. Yes he was. The stats back that up too. Mike had his moments and came up with some incredible saves along the way, but didn't have the same consistency that Patrick was able to produce. Neilson quickly favoured the latter too.
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Post by Rob Scott on Apr 27, 2018 11:46:23 GMT
Was Galbraith clearly better than Garnett last season? I didn't attend enough to form a fair judgement. I didn't see much of Galbraith. He was horrendous in the big game at POFW and Garnett was exceptional in the CHL games. Must have gone downhill fast after that much like the rest of the roster.
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Post by meadow on Apr 27, 2018 11:52:34 GMT
I think Garnett's pedigree / CV speaks for itself and you'd have to imagine that going from a season split between the KHL / NLA and €100k + salaries, straight to the EIHL, he'd have to be on similar wage to that speculated on (more speculation...!) to that of McGrattan, plus the uni deal on top.
Unless he's already got a post-MBA job sorted and is just winding down towards retirement here, if I was him I'd 100% be looking to get out of the EIHL after last season and find a job in a better league before his stock plummets completely. Completing the degree can always be arranged through distance learning or summer school, so its not like that would be completely out of the window.
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 27, 2018 11:54:26 GMT
Cheers chaps. I attended to roughly the same time as you Rob but for diff. reasons. I recall Garnett being pretty solid.
Would we want a Garnett/Gospel combo next season based on what's been seen previous?! Possibly not, but perhaps the new coach can get more out of the players as well.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 27, 2018 12:06:00 GMT
Unless he's already got a post-MBA job sorted and is just winding down towards retirement here, if I was him I'd 100% be looking to get out of the EIHL after last season and find a job in a better league before his stock plummets completely. He's 35 years old, he doesn't need his stock to remain high. I'd put decent money we'll be his final club. He'll come back next year, get his MBA and retire.
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Post by PantherB on Apr 27, 2018 12:08:01 GMT
Garnett is a good goalie, I just don't think he's made the transition well at all and with Galbraith coming in and stealing the #1 spot, he's never had much opportunity to find any kind of form.
If Garnett is 100% #1 and gets like 9/10 starts I think he'll be a lot better. Getting the odd start, perhaps once every 3 weeks isn't going to do him any good and it showed. But obviously you have to go with your strongest team.
Garnett didn't play exceptionally in the CHL based off pure luck.
When talking about wages though, if he's on McGrattan wages then going off of what McGrattan said himself in an interview back in North America it'll be around $60,000 (£40,000) give or take a bit. A Masters degree costs around £13,000 max. This is done part-time so essentially £6,500 per year.
If Garnett remains backup next season then I will feel it's been a bit of a waste of money, if he's given chance to prove himself again and does so, I'll be more content.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 27, 2018 12:18:42 GMT
A Masters degree costs around £13,000 max. This is done part-time so essentially £6,500 per year. Not according to Loughborough's website it doesn't. Isn't he doing an MBA part time? They have that down as £25k for an overseas student. Would we want a Garnett/Gospel combo next season based on what's been seen previous?! Possibly not, but perhaps the new coach can get more out of the players as well. Despite my earlier post, I think that's what we should go with. Firstly because I agree with PantherB that the addition of another senior netminder like Galbraith (as opposed to another young netminder like the Ukrainian chap) probably upset the apple cart for Mike a bit, and secondly so we can see if Gospel is up to it. I'd at least like for us to be looking for a Bowns, rather than a future accommodation manager. If it's not working we can always react and change it, hopefully Chernomaz won't dillydally like Neilson.
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 27, 2018 12:23:07 GMT
I like the idea of Gospel as 2. We need to see what we have there.
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Post by PantherB on Apr 27, 2018 12:29:19 GMT
A Masters degree costs around £13,000 max. This is done part-time so essentially £6,500 per year. Not according to Loughborough's website it doesn't. Isn't he doing an MBA part time? They have that down as £25k for an overseas student. Would we want a Garnett/Gospel combo next season based on what's been seen previous?! Possibly not, but perhaps the new coach can get more out of the players as well. Despite my earlier post, I think that's what we should go with. Firstly because I agree with PantherB that the addition of another senior netminder like Galbraith (as opposed to another young netminder like the Ukrainian chap) probably upset the apple cart for Mike a bit, and secondly so we can see if Gospel is up to it. I'd at least like for us to be looking for a Bowns, rather than a future accommodation manager. If it's not working we can always react and change it, hopefully Chernomaz won't dillydally like Neilson. In fairness, I didn't think to look at the overseas student bit. Just looked at the generic part as if I was to apply. £25k though, £12.5k per year, not a vast amount of money for the club and obviously we don't know if the club get some kind of discount for the sponsorship/advertisement. But anyway, I agree in regards to a Garnett-Gospel duo and if there's an indication another import goalie needs bringing in then hopefully it'll be a quick process.
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Post by fishman on Apr 27, 2018 12:32:45 GMT
Garnett was good in the CHL his stats say Mins 420 GA 18 GAA 2.57 SVP 92.27
CN said Garnett "could own the Elite league" maybe CN did for Garnett like he did for Josh Shalla
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Post by meadow on Apr 27, 2018 13:56:19 GMT
He's 35 years old, he doesn't need his stock to remain high. I'd put decent money we'll be his final club. He'll come back next year, get his MBA and retire. It depends what his intentions are - if he's planning on playing till 40 and squeezing every bit out of pro hockey, then two seasons of middling stats in the EIHL aren't going to help him get back to a well paid league. But I agree with you, I think these will be his last couple of seasons before retiring on the back of the MBA (and further highlighting Panthers image as a cushty wind-down retirement home!) Garnett was good in the CHL his stats say Mins 420 GA 18 GAA 2.57 SVP 92.27 CN said Garnett "could own the Elite league" maybe CN did for Garnett like he did for Josh Shalla Ability wise he probably should, but there's multiple factors to take into account - the EIHL game isn't as structured as the higher leagues he's been in, defence isn't as good etc. so theres more mistakes / random plays. Being a full time student also has its distractions. It might be telling that in any of MG's interviews / commentary I can't remember there being any 'I need to be better / I want to earn my starting gig back' talk like you might expect from a guy in his position. Also noticeable that he was at his absolute best in the CHL where the play was of a much higher standard and theres no need for extra motivation.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 27, 2018 16:46:54 GMT
A Masters degree costs around £13,000 max. This is done part-time so essentially £6,500 per year. Not according to Loughborough's website it doesn't. Isn't he doing an MBA part time? They have that down as £25k for an overseas student. Would we want a Garnett/Gospel combo next season based on what's been seen previous?! Possibly not, but perhaps the new coach can get more out of the players as well. Despite my earlier post, I think that's what we should go with. Firstly because I agree with PantherB that the addition of another senior netminder like Galbraith (as opposed to another young netminder like the Ukrainian chap) probably upset the apple cart for Mike a bit, and secondly so we can see if Gospel is up to it. I'd at least like for us to be looking for a Bowns, rather than a future accommodation manager. If it's not working we can always react and change it, hopefully Chernomaz won't dillydally like Neilson. Panthers won’t be paying anywhere near that. Don’t they have Loughborough down as a sponsor?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 27, 2018 16:49:22 GMT
Was Galbraith clearly better than Garnett last season? I didn't attend enough to form a fair judgement. At the end of the season Galbraith made the spot his own but realistically I would like to see an upgrade on both of them for the guy that starts next year.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 27, 2018 17:07:21 GMT
Panthers won’t be paying anywhere near that. Don’t they have Loughborough down as a sponsor? I always assumed the deal was the promotion of Lboro in return for x places per year on the MBA, dunno though. Either way it still has that value to Mike though, in terms of if he wanted to go and do it without us it'd cost him that much.
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Post by iginla on Apr 27, 2018 17:53:07 GMT
Panthers won’t be paying anywhere near that. Don’t they have Loughborough down as a sponsor? I always assumed the deal was the promotion of Lboro in return for x places per year on the MBA, dunno though. Either way it still has that value to Mike though, in terms of if he wanted to go and do it without us it'd cost him that much. That’s how i understand it too,that the Uni places cost Panthers nothing,but it’s an obvious big draw to a player. It’s just a reciprocal agreement between Panthers and Loughborough.
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 28, 2018 15:07:26 GMT
So does that mean both parties have to OK it still, but it's just a continuation of the same deal if they do? What's Lachowicz on? Free agent or longer term? Both parties have to agree in principal. Think of it as an open two yr deal. Have absolutely no idea of the financials at all.
Lacho is a FA. Farmer is on a longer deal.
This is just what I believe to be the case. No reason to doubt though.
Just to add to this. Oakford is also out of contract. Re-signing shouldn't be an issue though.
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Post by Pies on Apr 28, 2018 15:28:24 GMT
Both parties have to agree in principal. Think of it as an open two yr deal. Have absolutely no idea of the financials at all.
Lacho is a FA. Farmer is on a longer deal.
This is just what I believe to be the case. No reason to doubt though.
Just to add to this. Oakford is also out of contract. Re-signing shouldn't be an issue though. Do you mean Betteridge?
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 28, 2018 15:33:23 GMT
Just to add to this. Oakford is also out of contract. Re-signing shouldn't be an issue though. Do you mean Betteridge? Ha, bugger. Sorry. Ollie/Oakford... Same difference... This itk lark is tricky you know. Betteridge is a FA, same situ as Lacho.
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Post by shinobi on Apr 28, 2018 19:32:34 GMT
Both parties have to agree in principal. Think of it as an open two yr deal. Have absolutely no idea of the financials at all.
Lacho is a FA. Farmer is on a longer deal.
This is just what I believe to be the case. No reason to doubt though.
Just to add to this. Oakford is also out of contract. Re-signing shouldn't be an issue though. Guess that teaching thing didn’t work out for him 😂😂😂
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