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Post by PantherG on May 20, 2018 16:44:36 GMT
A number of players with British passports, but classed as imports, despite playing for GB, to challenge the league legally for discrimination since they cannot be classed a Brit players when icing on the EIHL. Liam Stewart born in London an import, yet Jackson Whistle born in Canada a Brit... will be interesting to see where this ends up! Oooh I’d love to see Thommo’s reaction if the Whistle brothers suddenly became imports. 😀 They wouldn’t become imports as I understand they have British passports, but it would put a few more Brits in the mix for clubs to sign. It would probably drive the price of Dowd, O’Connor, Davis, etc down slightly as they wouldn’t be such big fishes in small ponds so to speak
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Post by kievthegreat on May 20, 2018 17:01:28 GMT
A number of players with British passports, but classed as imports, despite playing for GB, to challenge the league legally for discrimination since they cannot be classed a Brit players when icing on the EIHL. Liam Stewart born in London an import, yet Jackson Whistle born in Canada a Brit... will be interesting to see where this ends up! Hope they win it. Think the Brit classification rule is ridiculous. If you carry a British passport you should be classed as a Brit. Period. Surely the point is that they are not discriminating against by nationality as the requirement isn't a British passport/nationality, but to have played so many years in the UK as a youngster? Same way as in the Premier League, the home grown rule has nothing to do with nationality and players like Cesc Fabregas count as homegrown because they played for 3 years in the UK before they were 21.
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Post by PantherG on May 20, 2018 18:39:39 GMT
Hope they win it. Think the Brit classification rule is ridiculous. If you carry a British passport you should be classed as a Brit. Period. Surely the point is that they are not discriminating against by nationality as the requirement isn't a British passport/nationality, but to have played so many years in the UK as a youngster? Same way as in the Premier League, the home grown rule has nothing to do with nationality and players like Cesc Fabregas count as homegrown because they played for 3 years in the UK before they were 21. Only because nobody has legally challenged that rule, if they did, there is a strong possibility the courts would deem it to be discrimination as they would be unlikely to objectively justify this. A really good article her written by a legal firm that specialises in sport outlines this here... It covers a number of cases in Europe and has a good conclusion. scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1013&context=sportslawWhere I believe the league is at risk is these players play for GB and are a big part of the success. To deny them to be classed as a Brit should be tested in the courts and I suspect they would comfortably win.
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Post by kievthegreat on May 20, 2018 18:57:52 GMT
Surely the point is that they are not discriminating against by nationality as the requirement isn't a British passport/nationality, but to have played so many years in the UK as a youngster? Same way as in the Premier League, the home grown rule has nothing to do with nationality and players like Cesc Fabregas count as homegrown because they played for 3 years in the UK before they were 21. Only because nobody has legally challenged that rule, if they did, there is a strong possibility the courts would deem it to be discrimination as they would be unlikely to objectively justify this. A really good article her written by a legal firm that specialises in sport outlines this here... It covers a number of cases in Europe and has a good conclusion. scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1013&context=sportslawWhere I believe the league is at risk is these players play for GB and are a big part of the success. To deny them to be classed as a Brit should be tested in the courts and I suspect they would comfortably win. If the league used a British passport as the requirement you'd shift from an indirect discrimination (the people found to be in within the homegrown rules are overwhelmingly going to be local, but not necessarily) to directly discriminating based on nationality (no grey area) , you could then get into legal challenges from Imports from EU nations. They'd be able to argue that Swedes, Fins, etc... are all unfairly treated as you'd be directly discriminating against EU citizens by imposing illegal quotas on their employment based on their nationality. It'd be the EIHL equivalent of a Bosman ruling.
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Post by PantherG on May 20, 2018 20:31:57 GMT
Only because nobody has legally challenged that rule, if they did, there is a strong possibility the courts would deem it to be discrimination as they would be unlikely to objectively justify this. A really good article her written by a legal firm that specialises in sport outlines this here... It covers a number of cases in Europe and has a good conclusion. scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1013&context=sportslawWhere I believe the league is at risk is these players play for GB and are a big part of the success. To deny them to be classed as a Brit should be tested in the courts and I suspect they would comfortably win. If the league used a British passport as the requirement you'd shift from an indirect discrimination (the people found to be in within the homegrown rules are overwhelmingly going to be local, but not necessarily) to directly discriminating based on nationality (no grey area) , you could then get into legal challenges from Imports from EU nations. They'd be able to argue that Swedes, Fins, etc... are all unfairly treated as you'd be directly discriminating against EU citizens by imposing illegal quotas on their employment based on their nationality. It'd be the EIHL equivalent of a Bosman ruling. To be honest under EU law, that’s a risk too, but the passport holders have a far stronger case. If the league is about promoting talent to play for GB, your argument falls flat when these ‘imports’ are already icing for the GB squad a big part of the success. II hope to hell its challenged.
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Post by samjohnson345 on May 22, 2018 22:28:43 GMT
What I’ve heard: Valdix to Coventry Marquadt to Braehead Pither to the EBEL Derlago to France
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Post by panthersnation on May 25, 2018 6:47:32 GMT
Hearing tho Garnett has tweeted to say he will see us next year he will be released. Apparently We want a goalie that can concentrate on hockey and not hockey and studies.
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Post by EMB on May 25, 2018 9:15:41 GMT
That doesn't read right. Don't you mean he wont see us next year?
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Post by Jord v4 on May 25, 2018 9:18:49 GMT
I believe panthersnation was referring to Garnett's tweet from the end of the season.....
All the info I've had from day one on Garnett was he was paid very well last season & his position on the roster was/is far from secure.
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Post by EMB on May 25, 2018 9:26:16 GMT
I believe panthersnation was referring to Garnett's tweet from the end of the season..... All the info I've had from day one on Garnett was he was paid very well last season & his position on the roster was/is far from secure. Just a confusing message, I cant see anything in the last couple of days from Garnett. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him gone even tho he's on the Uni deal. Although I just wonder how that would impact the relationship with the Uni, cant see them being that impressed if we pulled him after they have paid. I would like to see a goalie who is totally committed to this club and not just here for studies with 'abit of hockey thrown in' as he stated once.
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Post by Walitzer on May 25, 2018 9:27:26 GMT
Hearing that although Garnett tweeted to say he will see us next year, he will be released, apparently we want a goalie that can concentrate on hockey and not hockey and studies. Think thats what panthersnation meant
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Post by Walitzer on May 25, 2018 9:38:34 GMT
I believe panthersnation was referring to Garnett's tweet from the end of the season..... All the info I've had from day one on Garnett was he was paid very well last season & his position on the roster was/is far from secure. Just a confusing message, I cant see anything in the last couple of days from Garnett. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him gone even tho he's on the Uni deal. Although I just wonder how that would impact the relationship with the Uni, cant see them being that impressed if we pulled him after they have paid. I would like to see a goalie who is totally committed to this club and not just here for studies with 'abit of hockey thrown in' as he stated once. What's the setup with Loughborough? There's no financial interaction as far as i'm aware. Advertisement in return for a couple of free Uni places a year. You could argue that accepting one of the Panthers is a loss of potential student income, but its not cash directly out of their pocket. Can't see it having much effect on the Uni whether its a 2nd year returning student or a new starter who takes the spot.
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Post by Yotes on May 25, 2018 9:51:56 GMT
He's still not listed on next year's roster page, everyone else is so that doesn't seem to be through a lack of updates.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 25, 2018 10:33:46 GMT
Cancelling a uni deal isn't an issue at all.
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Post by iginla on May 25, 2018 10:46:12 GMT
Cancelling a uni deal isn't an issue at all. Can they afford to naff off another University though after Derby ?
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Post by Jord v4 on May 25, 2018 10:54:29 GMT
Cancelling a uni deal isn't an issue at all. Can they afford to naff off another University though after Derby ? I'm led to believe so, yes. The relationship is very close.
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Post by EMB on May 25, 2018 11:02:56 GMT
Cancelling a uni deal isn't an issue at all. Can they afford to naff off another University though after Derby ? Which is what I meant but it didn't come across very well. Didn't we do the same to Nottm Uni many moons ago? I thought they gave us the Uni place free in return for advertising etc but I'm sure the places to overseas students are worth a few thousand surely they are not free ?
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Post by iginla on May 25, 2018 11:33:48 GMT
Can they afford to naff off another University though after Derby ? Which is what I meant but it didn't come across very well. Didn't we do the same to Nottm Uni many moons ago? I thought they gave us the Uni place free in return for advertising etc but I'm sure the places to overseas students are worth a few thousand surely they are not free ? I don’t remember Nottm Uni ever being involved,but they get the Uni places for free in return for free advertising. Not sure why a University would need to advertise though. 🤔
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Post by sevcik on May 25, 2018 12:07:53 GMT
Which is what I meant but it didn't come across very well. Didn't we do the same to Nottm Uni many moons ago? I thought they gave us the Uni place free in return for advertising etc but I'm sure the places to overseas students are worth a few thousand surely they are not free ? I don’t remember Nottm Uni ever being involved,but they get the Uni places for free in return for free advertising. Not sure why a University would need to advertise though. 🤔 There was indeed if I remember correctly a link up with Nottm Uni at some point in the Superleague era. Though for how many seasons or how many players were involved I don't recall.
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Post by GuinnessMan on May 29, 2018 9:38:14 GMT
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Post by iginla on May 29, 2018 9:49:19 GMT
Obviously still waiting for the ink to dry ! 😂
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Post by PantherG on May 30, 2018 20:39:48 GMT
Obviously still waiting for the ink to dry ! 😂 Nice guy, but I kinda hoping for a complete clean slate, that said he knows the league so probably makes sense.
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Post by PantherG on May 30, 2018 20:40:49 GMT
Paul Swindlehurst signed in Sheffield and announcement being held back is gather pace on facebook and twitter.... Shame, would have loved to have seen him back in Black and Gold!
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Post by Yotes on May 31, 2018 11:26:35 GMT
Would be a good signing for them, given O'Connor's departure. He's not at that level, but he's decent.
Can't see us adding anymore senior Brits, aren't we up to our quota? (Assuming we'll go with all 14 imports of course.)
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Post by Rob Scott on May 31, 2018 14:00:03 GMT
Would be a good signing for them, given O'Connor's departure. He's not at that level, but he's decent. Can't see us adding anymore senior Brits, aren't we up to our quota? (Assuming we'll go with all 14 imports of course.) Is it 14 imports from anywhere and 5 over 23 Brits for 2018/2019?
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