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Post by pantherlee on Jan 1, 2018 12:02:10 GMT
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2018 12:37:45 GMT
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 1, 2018 12:47:52 GMT
Has a higher ppg ratio in AHL and ECHL than Blair Riley so why not exactly? How many top end players do you just think are hanging around at the moment?
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2018 12:54:18 GMT
Has a higher ppg ratio in AHL and ECHL than Blair Riley so why not exactly? How many top end players do you just think are hanging around at the moment? If Panthers REALLY want to win,go dangle some money in front of one. They don’t have to be free agents,it happens. Now what was his name,oh yes.....Dan Tessier !
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 1, 2018 13:38:15 GMT
Has a higher ppg ratio in AHL and ECHL than Blair Riley so why not exactly? How many top end players do you just think are hanging around at the moment? If Panthers REALLY want to win,go dangle some money in front of one. They don’t have to be free agents,it happens. Now what was his name,oh yes.....Dan Tessier ! The way you talk you'd think there was a great ice hockey christmas tree to just pick top end players off at the drop of a hat. If it were that easy everyone would be doing it. The example you've given after all happened 10 years ago. I want top quality at the panthers as much as you but i don't think its just as simple as waving money around. Players have loyalty to clubs, settled families etc and its not like we're the only club with money
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2018 13:45:12 GMT
If Panthers REALLY want to win,go dangle some money in front of one. They don’t have to be free agents,it happens. Now what was his name,oh yes.....Dan Tessier ! The way you talk you'd think there was a great ice hockey christmas tree to just pick top end players off at the drop of a hat. If it were that easy everyone would be doing it. The example you've given after all happened 10 years ago. I want top quality at the panthers as much as you but i don't think its just as simple as waving money around. Players have loyalty to clubs, settled families etc and its not like we're the only club with money I know it’s not simple and nobody wants top quality at Panthers more than me. But if they signed top quality to start with instead of the penny pinching,make do and mend attitude the club have, then we probably wouldn’t be in this mess again in the first place !
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 1, 2018 13:54:42 GMT
IMO the club haven't penny pinched this season. Two top quality import netties, Derlago has had well over a PPG nearly everywhere he's ever played. Sauve has played in big leagues and recently too and can't be cheap same with Phillips, And you would have expected Shalla to have had a similar contribution as Sylvester has had for Giants given there similar levels of production in the ECHL the last couple of seasons. I don't think its a cheap roster i just think Corey isn't getting what he should out of them and thats where the problem lies at the moment.
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2018 14:03:18 GMT
IMO the club haven't penny pinched this season. Two top quality import netties, Derlago has had well over a PPG nearly everywhere he's ever played. Sauve has played in big leagues and recently too and can't be cheap same with Phillips, And you would have expected Shalla to have had a similar contribution as Sylvester has had for Giants given there similar levels of production in the ECHL the last couple of seasons. I don't think its a cheap roster i just think Corey isn't getting what he should out of them and thats where the problem lies at the moment. It’s not a really cheap roster no,that’s what the likes of Dundee have. But Panthers could easily have so much more. Our defence/goalies have some good quality but up front it’s really lacking much star quality. I’m with you regarding Neilson though,he’s the biggest problem.
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Post by PantherB on Jan 1, 2018 14:05:31 GMT
The way you talk you'd think there was a great ice hockey christmas tree to just pick top end players off at the drop of a hat. If it were that easy everyone would be doing it. The example you've given after all happened 10 years ago. I want top quality at the panthers as much as you but i don't think its just as simple as waving money around. Players have loyalty to clubs, settled families etc and its not like we're the only club with money I know it’s not simple and nobody wants top quality at Panthers more than me. But if they signed top quality to start with instead of the penny pinching,make do and mend attitude the club have, then we probably wouldn’t be in this mess again in the first place ! Panthers did sign pretty good quality. We wouldn't have beat Mountfield twice, Bern, and shutout TPS if they weren't a good team. We don't need to sign veterans nearing the end of their careers, players with 200+ NHL games on their record for them to be deemed quality. Look at Mokshantsev, nobody had a clue what we were getting besides a Russian kid.. He's probably the most creative, smoothest puck handling player we have. Philips, though quite annoyingly inconsistent can be superb. Sauve can be excellent, Brisebois and Billingsley can be very good. Perlini is brilliant, Derlago has flashes of brilliance. The only two who don't/didn't have much that stood out was Shalla and Bussieres. Took us a bit too long to release Shalla and Bussieres will more than likely be following him shortly. If anything, we just needed to have some kind of injury cover from the start. We've gotten the grasp of not shooting ourselves in the foot with goaltending, now we just need to have a spare import from seasons start and we'll be heading in the right direction. We have a good team but for whatever reason, we didn't give ourselves the best chance we could have because of the no spare import and taking so long to release the drift wood.
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 1, 2018 14:17:34 GMT
I know it’s not simple and nobody wants top quality at Panthers more than me. But if they signed top quality to start with instead of the penny pinching,make do and mend attitude the club have, then we probably wouldn’t be in this mess again in the first place ! Panthers did sign pretty good quality. We wouldn't have beat Mountfield twice, Bern, and shutout TPS if they weren't a good team. We don't need to sign veterans nearing the end of their careers, players with 200+ NHL games on their record for them to be deemed quality. Look at Mokshantsev, nobody had a clue what we were getting besides a Russian kid.. He's probably the most creative, smoothest puck handling player we have. Philips, though quite annoyingly inconsistent can be superb. Sauve can be excellent, Brisebois and Billingsley can be very good. Perlini is brilliant, Derlago has flashes of brilliance. The only two who don't/didn't have much that stood out was Shalla and Bussieres. Took us a bit too long to release Shalla and Bussieres will more than likely be following him shortly. If anything, we just needed to have some kind of injury cover from the start. We've gotten the grasp of not shooting ourselves in the foot with goaltending, now we just need to have a spare import from seasons start and we'll be heading in the right direction. We have a good team but for whatever reason, we didn't give ourselves the best chance we could have because of the no spare import and taking so long to release the drift wood. Disagree regards to Shalla though. He's had better production than Sylvestre in the ECHL and look what he's done in Belfast this season. Shall should be right near the top of the scoring charts but for whatever reason it just hasn't happened. If him and Derlago had produced like they had at previous clubs nobody would be talking about lack of goals
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Post by ted logan on Jan 1, 2018 14:38:04 GMT
IMO the club haven't penny pinched this season. Two top quality import netties, Derlago has had well over a PPG nearly everywhere he's ever played. Sauve has played in big leagues and recently too and can't be cheap same with Phillips, And you would have expected Shalla to have had a similar contribution as Sylvester has had for Giants given there similar levels of production in the ECHL the last couple of seasons. I don't think its a cheap roster i just think Corey isn't getting what he should out of them and thats where the problem lies at the moment. Pretty much agree with this.
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2018 16:06:07 GMT
The player who is really seriously underachieving is Derlago. His goals record prior to Panthers was fantastic,he needs a very serious kick up the backside if he is to stay. No doubt a top three earner and needs to justify it.
Shalla had decent goals output in the ECHL,nothing hugely special though and shouldn't really have been classed as a go to scorer for Panthers,despite billing himself as "scoring goals is what I do" !
Phillips I don't understand why everybody thinks he should have been great,he may have been a first round draft pick years ago but his points production was shocking the last few seasons. Flashes of skill,but a very frustrating player to watch.
Mokshantsev yeah he's skilled,but he's not that good anywhere near consistently enough,if he was as skilled as people rave about he would be ripping this league apart,but other than once every five or six games he's not producing a lot and he's very weak in other areas.
Bussieres Mmmm,billed as a rough and tumble winger who wasn't afraid to mix it,get his nose dirty and fight. Sorry,not seeing it and he's absolutely hopeless in front of goal.
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