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Post by jdizpt8 on Dec 26, 2017 18:44:36 GMT
In Neilson we trust. Still just a blip here. The boys gave 100% but were unlucky. back on track soon. . . . I smell sarcasm
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Post by dp on Dec 26, 2017 19:03:18 GMT
If Caps lose 7 on the bounce everyone says they should be chucked out the league because we need it to be competitive.
When this team was signed I said they looked short on goals and not big enough at the back. I was never getting that carried away with the CHL results because, as impressive as they were, lots of people you speak to say the top teams just use it as a pre-season training camp and don't take it seriously. And it's not really important anyway - the league is.
Yet again you could pick the Elite league winners based on who they signed - and, sure enough, Cardiff and Belfast are out at the top. And I was told I was being negative for pointing out that no team has ever won the Elite league with an inexperienced team.
I do wonder what causes this same pattern every year. You hear a lot of talk that Corey and GM are just so unpopular with the players that they're just counting the days until their contracts run out and they can get on with their career again.
Also, I wonder why we're the only team who very rarely make changes to the roster. It's very hard to imagine any other team going on a run like this without making some changes. Is this a mandate from Black? Budget already gone? Realise there's no point because the arena will still fill up regardless of results?
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Post by wgray on Dec 26, 2017 19:11:39 GMT
Changes have to come now, we all have to face the fact that Neilson isn’t going to leave or be sacked, Neil Black has to pump so money in and we need to sign a stud, right handed, sniper. Nobody should be sacked, instead we sign the right handed player and increase the competition between the lefties i.e. Shalla, Bussières, Derlago.
Until a right handed goal scorer comes in we are going to get very few goals, the power play will falter and the season will continue to be wasted.
This afternoon has been an embarrassment, our travelling support was not interested after the first goal, I fear that tomorrow could be a repeat.
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Post by Smudge on Dec 26, 2017 19:22:58 GMT
You hear a lot of talk that Corey and GM are just so unpopular with the players that they're just counting the days until their contracts run out and they can get on with their career again. If that’s the case then why does a class player like Mosey re-sign for a second stint at the club. Like you say, you hear a lot of talk but if it’s unsubstantiated talk, then what’s its worth.
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Post by ant on Dec 26, 2017 19:27:32 GMT
I actually think we could nick it tomorrow which does not paper over any cracks. This team has been disgraceful for weeks. Any team can go on a bad run but there have been far too many suicidal penalties at key points in so many of the games. Well coached teams have capitalised on those chances. Derlago has given away pens needlessly particularly as he fails to forecheck or light up the scoring charts. He needs to go as does Shalla which would release money for 2 snipers. Also a team like us should always carry an extra outskater. Even at this stage release those 2 and bring 3 in and who knows? Panthers fans are proud and this run is embarrassing.If all teams spent what they could we would be in the top two every single year. Our owner is no hockey fan and GM is a waste of money which could go on an extra import. Nielsen ,when interested ( by Europe or a cup ), is actually a good coach but he seems to go through phases where he is bored and disinterested half way through the league season every year. I also don't get Strachan's role. Get in a guy who can actually play hockey and sort the power play to help Corey out! Besides that ... all is well. 🙄
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Post by shinobi on Dec 26, 2017 19:33:42 GMT
You hear a lot of talk that Corey and GM are just so unpopular with the players that they're just counting the days until their contracts run out and they can get on with their career again. If that’s the case then why does a class player like Mosey re-sign for a second stint at the club. Money.
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Post by PantherG on Dec 26, 2017 19:42:39 GMT
Nothing will change, nothing at all, if it was going to change we would have addressed the awful PP that has been evident since September.
I was fuming after listening the interview today after the match with Corey, the guy has no sense of urgency in his voice, not passion, it feels like he really doesn't give a poo poo! At least other coaches have passion and grit in their voices when their teams let them down.
Corey says they are running low on confidence, then that is his job to help them regain their confidence. The other issue I have is if we sacked Corey, who the hell will take over, as does Neil Black really have a clue? I mean look at the guy he has appointed in Glasgow, the club has taken a huge step back and appears much worse off than they were under Finnerty.... Not sure where we go from here, but my bum wont be on a seat anytime soon when the team can't score.
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Post by iginla on Dec 26, 2017 19:54:09 GMT
You hear a lot of talk that Corey and GM are just so unpopular with the players that they're just counting the days until their contracts run out and they can get on with their career again. If that’s the case then why does a class player like Mosey re-sign for a second stint at the club. Like you say, you hear a lot of talk but if it’s unsubstantiated talk, then what’s its worth. Have you seen how much a player earns in the ECHL,as that's his level. Compared to playing in Canada/America,this league is an absolute holiday camp. Good money,little travel,sleep in the same bed virtually every night (well to sleep anyway),play every game because there's nobody spare to take your place,no threat of losing your job,be adored by thousands of fans who think your god like and sing your name even though you're average. That's why they come back !
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Post by PantherB on Dec 26, 2017 19:54:58 GMT
Also, I wonder why we're the only team who very rarely make changes to the roster. It's very hard to imagine any other team going on a run like this without making some changes. Is this a mandate from Black? Budget already gone? Realise there's no point because the arena will still fill up regardless of results? I've been wondering this too. Clan have also been very poor this season with only a small handful of changes, non of which have been massive. Clan have the potential to make a big impact on the league, yet once again they fail. Black allows them to sign a very rookie coach who can't be described as much other than sub standard too. You'd think if there was genuine passion to win trophies and dominate, both us and Clan should be a hell of a lot better than we both are now. I know it's the same old accusation but it continues to appear that money is vastly more important than success to Black, but I'd love to be wrong.
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Post by dp on Dec 26, 2017 19:55:47 GMT
You hear a lot of talk that Corey and GM are just so unpopular with the players that they're just counting the days until their contracts run out and they can get on with their career again. If that’s the case then why does a class player like Mosey re-sign for a second stint at the club. Like you say, you hear a lot of talk but if it’s unsubstantiated talk, then what’s its worth. I've always got the impression with Mosey that he's really good mates with our Brits so if the package is decent (probably better than he could get anywhere else), why would he not come back?
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Post by dp on Dec 26, 2017 19:57:34 GMT
Also, I wonder why we're the only team who very rarely make changes to the roster. It's very hard to imagine any other team going on a run like this without making some changes. Is this a mandate from Black? Budget already gone? Realise there's no point because the arena will still fill up regardless of results? I've been wondering this too. Clan have also been very poor this season with only a small handful of changes, non of which have been massive. Clan have the potential to make a big impact on the league, yet once again they fail. Black allows them to sign a very rookie coach who can't be described as much other than sub standard too. You'd think if there was genuine passion to win trophies and dominate, both us and Clan should be a hell of a lot better than we both are now. I know it's the same old accusation but it continues to appear that money is vastly more important than success to Black, but I'd love to be wrong. I really, REALLY dislike Black.
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Post by wgray on Dec 26, 2017 19:57:45 GMT
Can anyone tell me the last time was lost 7 games in a row?
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Post by EMB on Dec 26, 2017 20:02:37 GMT
Nothing will change, nothing at all, if it was going to change we would have addressed the awful PP that has been evident since September. I was fuming after listening the interview today after the match with Corey, the guy has no sense of urgency in his voice, not passion, it feels like he really doesn't give a poo poo! At least other coaches have passion and grit in their voices when their teams let them down. Corey says they are running low on confidence, then that is his job to help them regain their confidence. The other issue I have is if we sacked Corey, who the hell will take over, as does Neil Black really have a clue? I mean look at the guy he has appointed in Glasgow, the club has taken a huge step back and appears much worse off than they were under Finnerty.... Not sure where we go from here, but my bum wont be on a seat anytime soon when the team can't score. If Corey goes early you get Clark he's the cheapest option for Black. this club needs a new owner preferably one with a hockey brain (like Cardiff) he can't bring a new coach in cos no one wants to work with GM.
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Post by wgray on Dec 26, 2017 20:05:34 GMT
Can anyone tell me the last time was lost 7 games in a row? never mind, I’ve found out, 14/15 season, 7th Feb 15 to 28th Feb 15, another team that couldn’t score.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 26, 2017 20:05:45 GMT
We'll get Clarke next whatever happens.
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Post by EMB on Dec 26, 2017 20:08:31 GMT
it's not the money that enticed Evan back he promised Corey he would get first refusal and he stuck to his word even though Cardiff offered him nearly half as much again than Panthers pre season, he told us in Prague.
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Post by iginla on Dec 26, 2017 20:09:56 GMT
Nothing will change, nothing at all, if it was going to change we would have addressed the awful PP that has been evident since September. I was fuming after listening the interview today after the match with Corey, the guy has no sense of urgency in his voice, not passion, it feels like he really doesn't give a poo poo! At least other coaches have passion and grit in their voices when their teams let them down. Corey says they are running low on confidence, then that is his job to help them regain their confidence. The other issue I have is if we sacked Corey, who the hell will take over, as does Neil Black really have a clue? I mean look at the guy he has appointed in Glasgow, the club has taken a huge step back and appears much worse off than they were under Finnerty.... Not sure where we go from here, but my bum wont be on a seat anytime soon when the team can't score. That's exactly it with Neilson,he shows no passion,no fight,no desire,no urgency,no charisma,just nothing at all. Just like Neil Black really......a pair of wet fish !!!
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Post by dill1015 on Dec 26, 2017 20:55:06 GMT
It doesn't matter which way you slice it the stats don't lie. in the last 7 games we are 0-7 have scored 8 goals and conceded 22 in open play.
Championship teams should be averaging less than 2 goals against per game and scoring over 3 goals per game. in the last 7 we're at 2.75 goals against and a shocking 1.14 goals for. Frankly that is gross. Caps who have won 3 games all year have a goals for average of 2.2 per game. This is not a blip, or bad bounces this is a full blown rot in the forward lines.
Corey needs to man up and gas Shalla, he's just not doing what he was brought in to do 3 goals in 24 league games, not even close. He'll be lucky to get over 8 this season never mind the 25 hes was expected to get. And put a couple of other forwards on 2 weeks notice. very simple score points or your out.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Dec 26, 2017 21:08:20 GMT
We'll get Clarke next whatever happens. Nothing against him as assistant, but regarding the top job, a change in direction is needed.
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Post by PantherB on Dec 26, 2017 21:18:48 GMT
It doesn't matter which way you slice it the stats don't lie. in the last 7 games we are 0-7 have scored 8 goals and conceded 22 in open play. Championship teams should be averaging less than 2 goals against per game and scoring over 3 goals per game. in the last 7 we're at 2.75 goals against and a shocking 1.14 goals for. Frankly that is gross. Caps who have won 3 games all year have a goals for average of 2.2 per game. This is not a blip, or bad bounces this is a full blown rot in the forward lines. Corey needs to man up and gas Shalla, he's just not doing what he was brought in to do 3 goals in 24 league games, not even close. He'll be lucky to get over 8 this season never mind the 25 hes was expected to get. And put a couple of other forwards on 2 weeks notice. very simple score points or your out. According to Flash Scores we have scored and conceded the same amount as... Coventry. with the exception of brits, I don't think anyone's job should be safe and they should all be told that.
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Post by iginla on Dec 26, 2017 21:21:03 GMT
We'll get Clarke next whatever happens. Nothing against him as assistant, but regarding the top job, a change in direction is needed. Yep total change of direction needed and when Corey goes at the end of this season and Clarkey retires at the same time......the answer to who's the next coach isn't Clarkey. He would be just another Black/Moran puppet. I'd take a Finnerty over Neilson any day. If Neilson can't win at Panthers with all the advantages a Panthers coach has,then he's going to struggle elsewhere.
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Post by spik on Dec 26, 2017 21:56:07 GMT
League updated...ONLY to teams who have won less than us now. Sixth in league with Fife on our tale with 2 games in hand over us.Then a gap to Coventry.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 22:23:28 GMT
Unless I'm mistake at this point last season we were one point better off than we are now...
Steelers are a bang average side and weren't even made to work for the win tonight. Other than the odd scramble we don't look close to scoring a goal never mind the 3-5 required realistically to win more games than not.
Simply not good enough. Where are the leaders on this team? Early on in the season a different player stuck their hand up, that's simply not happening now.
First player I'd chop would be Suave, clearly a very talented player but takes some absolutely moronic penalties. Early season I accepted that fact as he popped up with moments of brilliance making it a price worth paying but those moments have dried right up. For the money I imagine he is on I think there's better alternatives out there.
The whole team is underperforming though, even Farmer who is probably our star Brit these days has been ineffective.
Clarke for me though has to hang up his skates. I don't mind if he stays registered for an injury crisis but he doesn't deserve anywhere near the ice time he is getting. A Panthers legend but I think he's done.
I don't think its lack of effort or lack of talent. We've all seen what we are capable of so on that basis the buck has to stop with the coach who is making the calls.
I love Neilson, I think he's been a fantastic servant to our club but not many coaches could expect to survive this many consecutive defeats. Unless something dramatic happens overnight a defeat tomorrow should be his last game in charge. I don't expect a league title but we should at the very least be challenging.
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Post by Mark on Dec 26, 2017 22:25:58 GMT
Black and Moran. Their focus is money. We all know what Moran is and Black strikes me as the kind of man whose arrogance blinds him to any other opinion. Club is still a shambles but so what. The arena will be full tomorrow, people still buy the overpriced tat in he shop and Moran’s propaganda rag, masquerading as a programme. It’s been the same for many a year, we complain about it every season but we keep turning up and nothing changes.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 26, 2017 22:29:30 GMT
the answer to who's the next coach isn't Clarkey. He would be just another Black/Moran puppet. Err, that's the exact reason he will be? Moran will choose the path of least resistance - Clarke. Corey will be here until at least the summer (in fact he'll be here as long as he wants). We'll never sack a coach mid season for performance reasons.
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