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Post by iginla on Dec 10, 2017 20:38:53 GMT
Last weekend we were the best since sliced bread now players are coasting! Like I said .. fickle Keep playing short and it will catch up with you Pidge. I’ve been saying it for a month. The league is too tight this season. We’ve got a solid team,but it hasn’t got the X factor needed to play short but still keep winning consistently. |
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Post by Yotes on Dec 10, 2017 20:39:58 GMT
Poor weekend forget it and move onto next weekend. Simples Or we could learn from it. Guildford are a good side, much better than many predicted before we started, so was always going to be a difficult game. Still, 0 point weekend against Cardiff and Belfast getting all 4 I think. Hope Galbraith's not too bad. |
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Post by Caesar on Dec 10, 2017 21:33:38 GMT
Not good, but the league is so competitive finally that in the grand scheme of things we have the ability to overcome it. Every single weekend we never know who's going to beat who. For a few weeks we were hot, at the minute its Belfast in the driving seat. It'll twist, turn and change a lot more before the end of the season. As a hockey fan its fantastic that things have got to this point, as a Panthers fan this weekend sucked. But i still believe. We've got a quality squad.
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Post by wgray on Dec 10, 2017 22:52:29 GMT
Not good, but the league is so competitive finally that in the grand scheme of things we have the ability to overcome it. Every single weekend we never know who's going to beat who. For a few weeks we were hot, at the minute its Belfast in the driving seat. It'll twist, turn and change a lot more before the end of the season. As a hockey fan its fantastic that things have got to this point, as a Panthers fan this weekend sucked. But i still believe. We've got a quality squad. completely agree with you here, nothing is for granted in the EIHL now |
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Post by Mark on Dec 10, 2017 23:01:10 GMT
Last weekend we were the best since sliced bread now players are coasting! Like I said .. fickle Shalla and Derlago have been underperforming for some time. Results and other players have disguised the fact. Shalla in particular brings nothing. |
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Post by John Casey on Dec 11, 2017 9:06:05 GMT
The 5-2 scoreline makes it a lot worse considering there were 2 empty net goals. For me its the manner of the 2 performances over the weekend that has got me concerned. However I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt this time. But if it's the same again against Manchester and Belfast, then I expect something to happen.
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Post by iginla on Dec 11, 2017 10:18:47 GMT
The 5-2 scoreline makes it a lot worse considering there were 2 empty net goals. For me its the manner of the 2 performances over the weekend that has got me concerned. However I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt this time. But if it's the same again against Manchester and Belfast, then I expect something to happen. Indeed Sheffield get a two point weekend. Thommo blasts his team,cancels their Monday off and brings them in for extra training. Meanwhile in Pantherland.....a big fat 0 points,little reaction,Neilson utters a few of the usual phrases in a 20 second radio interview and no doubt the players are enjoying a cushy Monday off playing in the snow ! |
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Post by bobness on Dec 11, 2017 11:51:50 GMT
Last weekend we were the best since sliced bread now players are coasting! Like I said .. fickle Shalla and Derlago have been underperforming for some time. Results and other players have disguised the fact. Shalla in particular brings nothing. Yes, our top point scoring import forward has been underperforming. I respectfully disagree. Shalla was on fire at the start of the season in the CHL, now is on the 4th line. He won't score too many there, will he? Quite why the drop-off, I don't know, but if anyone is currently playing below where he can, I agree it's him, certainly statistically. The early doors top line of 9/19/44 was red hot at the start of the season, and only Perlini has kept up the pace now they've been split up. Wrong end of 2 close games, against a very in form Devils and a hard to beat Guildford, in their barn. No panicking yet. Panthers have lost 9 man games to injury all season so far, and 1 to suspension, which I'd suspect is the least of all in the EIHL? Anyone prove me wrong? Saturday was the first league game Panthers have played with more than one player out involuntarily. Giants had three players suspended on Saturday night alone. The "playing shorthanded for periods of time" excuse doesn't wash, when you've had a 19 man skating roster for every league game (on average) so far. While I'm on, Lacho should get an assist for the goal on Saturday, too. He passed it to Phillips, after all... |
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Post by iginla on Dec 11, 2017 12:56:43 GMT
But why is Shalla now on the 4th line ?
Because he’s underperforming.
He had plenty of time to score on his original line with Farmer and Perlini, but he didn’t do it.
Considering he’s supposed to be a goal scorer, I’m afraid 3 goals in 21 league games is just not good enough.
That’s why he’s been dumped on the 4th line.
The reason we are where we are is because we had no injuries,where as others did.
Now look at the last few games since we’ve started playing short.
Fife....lost
Cardiff...lost
Guildford....lost
This league is too close to play short.
Cardiff are sitting there with 17 imports, with a spare D man and two spare forwards.
Why aren’t we ?
Oh “it will upset the team if we bring a spare in” some people say.
Cobblers....it hasn’t upset Cardiff or Belfast !!
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Post by hannah on Dec 11, 2017 15:38:08 GMT
But why is Shalla now on the 4th line ? Because he’s underperforming. He had plenty of time to score on his original line with Farmer and Perlini, but he didn’t do it. Considering he’s supposed to be a goal scorer, I’m afraid 3 goals in 21 league games is just not good enough. That’s why he’s been dumped on the 4th line. The reason we are where we are is because we had no injuries,where as others did. Now look at the last few games since we’ve started playing short. Fife....lost Cardiff...lost Guildford....lost This league is too close to play short. Cardiff are sitting there with 17 imports, with a spare D man and two spare forwards. Why aren’t we ? Oh “it will upset the team if we bring a spare in” some people say. Cobblers....it hasn’t upset Cardiff or Belfast !! Devils have 16 imports with 2 currently injured. Josh Batch and Craig Moore are also out injured. |
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Post by iginla on Dec 11, 2017 17:46:02 GMT
But why is Shalla now on the 4th line ? Because he’s underperforming. He had plenty of time to score on his original line with Farmer and Perlini, but he didn’t do it. Considering he’s supposed to be a goal scorer, I’m afraid 3 goals in 21 league games is just not good enough. That’s why he’s been dumped on the 4th line. The reason we are where we are is because we had no injuries,where as others did. Now look at the last few games since we’ve started playing short. Fife....lost Cardiff...lost Guildford....lost This league is too close to play short. Cardiff are sitting there with 17 imports, with a spare D man and two spare forwards. Why aren’t we ? Oh “it will upset the team if we bring a spare in” some people say. Cobblers....it hasn’t upset Cardiff or Belfast !! Devils have 16 imports with 2 currently injured. Josh Batch and Craig Moore are also out injured. Yes I know Batch and Moore are injured,I said it earlier. But they have actually got 17 imports. Which is why even with a couple of imports out injured they were STILL able to ice a full compliment of 14 imports. Now in a 1 goal game like last Saturday,switch that round and let’s say Panthers had 3 more skating imports than Cardiff. Would the Devils still have won by one goal ? I highly doubt it ! |
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Post by pantherdman on Dec 11, 2017 18:13:49 GMT
Losing to Guildford is unforgivable.
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Post by bobness on Dec 11, 2017 18:16:52 GMT
But why is Shalla now on the 4th line ? Because he’s underperforming. He had plenty of time to score on his original line with Farmer and Perlini, but he didn’t do it. Considering he’s supposed to be a goal scorer, I’m afraid 3 goals in 21 league games is just not good enough. That’s why he’s been dumped on the 4th line. The reason we are where we are is because we had no injuries,where as others did. Now look at the last few games since we’ve started playing short. Fife....lost Cardiff...lost Guildford....lost This league is too close to play short. Cardiff are sitting there with 17 imports, with a spare D man and two spare forwards. Why aren’t we ? Oh “it will upset the team if we bring a spare in” some people say. Cobblers....it hasn’t upset Cardiff or Belfast !! Playing one (or even two) player(s) short shouldn't be the root cause of a team losing a game, when there are still at least 17 skaters on the bench. That's 3 full lines and 2 spare forwards or 2/3 of a 4th line. I don't buy it, I'm afraid. Edinburgh would kill for that kind of bench strength. Is the league very competitive? Yes. Can we take any game for granted? No. Should we carry a "spare" skater and potentially have a healthy scratch every game (which would also disrupt at least one line every game)? Personally, I'd say no. If Mosey is out for 6 weeks, unless we get another long term injury, I'd be voting for staying as we are. The squad we have should be able to pick up any short term slack. That's the coach's and players' job to ensure that it does. Losing a couple of tight games in successive weekends doesn't mean this team is suddenly rudderless. I don't think a spare import will necessarily bring an "X factor". Is it time for the team to stand and be counted? Maybe. Can they? We will see, I'm not sure we'll see a spare come in for Mosey. Shalla can do it, we know he can, the question is, why isn't he as we stand? He's scored 2+1 in 10 games since the 9/19/44 line was split, and is -3 in those games, having had 5 points in 10 (EIHL) games (+5) prior to that. His goal vs Fife on 26 November was his first (and only) even strength league goal since 23rd September. One wonders whether that's chicken or egg. That line was split up after game 10, as far as I can tell, certainly game 10 was the last time all three combined on the ice for a goal scored or conceded. Before that, those three players were a combined +14, since then, they're a combined -3. Perlini has the points in games 11-20, with 5+7, but is only even in those games. Quite a conundrum. |
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Post by bobness on Dec 11, 2017 18:22:22 GMT
Devils have 16 imports with 2 currently injured. Josh Batch and Craig Moore are also out injured. Yes I know Batch and Moore are injured,I said it earlier. But they have actually got 17 imports. Which is why even with a couple of imports out injured they were STILL able to ice a full compliment of 14 imports. Now in a 1 goal game like last Saturday,switch that round and let’s say Panthers had 3 more skating imports than Cardiff. Would the Devils still have won by one goal ? I highly doubt it ! "Let's say" Panthers score on every shift. They win the league, job done. Easy, this hockey lark, let's move on.  Point of order, EP has Devils with 16 imports signed. You may be thinking Rutkis is an import, he's classed as a Brit, I believe. I'm not sure which 2 imports are injured and for how long, though. |
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Post by bobness on Dec 11, 2017 18:30:19 GMT
Losing to Guildford is unforgivable. Yes, losing to a team who are 8-2-0-1 at home is utterly unforgivable. Sack the lot of them. We're the Panthers, we should just be beating Guildford. Don't know why they bother turning up. How many times have Panthers beaten Guildford in regulation this year, just remind me? Out of 4? |
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Post by wgray on Dec 11, 2017 18:30:27 GMT
Losing to Guildford is unforgivable. Guildford have beaten Cardiff (twice) and Belfast this season, maybe we shouldn’t have underestimated them |
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Post by hannah on Dec 11, 2017 19:17:18 GMT
Devils have 16 imports. Not sure why you think we have 17. The two injured are Faryna and Louis.
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Post by iginla on Dec 11, 2017 19:29:52 GMT
Devils have 16 imports. Not sure why you think we have 17. The two injured are Faryna and Louis. Because I assumed Rutkis was an import. I don’t have any problem with you having spare imports, you can have ten for me if you want. My problem is that Panthers don’t have ANY spare skaters when they easily could have. |
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Post by wannabe2 on Dec 11, 2017 19:43:07 GMT
But why is Shalla now on the 4th line ? Because he’s underperforming. He had plenty of time to score on his original line with Farmer and Perlini, but he didn’t do it. Considering he’s supposed to be a goal scorer, I’m afraid 3 goals in 21 league games is just not good enough. That’s why he’s been dumped on the 4th line. The reason we are where we are is because we had no injuries,where as others did. Now look at the last few games since we’ve started playing short. Fife....lost Cardiff...lost Guildford....lost This league is too close to play short. Cardiff are sitting there with 17 imports, with a spare D man and two spare forwards. Why aren’t we ? Oh “it will upset the team if we bring a spare in” some people say. Cobblers....it hasn’t upset Cardiff or Belfast !! Devils have 16 imports with 2 currently injured. Josh Batch and Craig Moore are also out injured. We have 16 imports, 16. |
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Post by bobness on Dec 11, 2017 23:39:16 GMT
Devils have 16 imports with 2 currently injured. Josh Batch and Craig Moore are also out injured. We have 16 imports, 16. Do we? I only see 15? |
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Post by iginla on Dec 11, 2017 23:44:48 GMT
He’s a Devils fan Bob. 😉 They have 16 imports plus a Latvian dual national. |
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Post by wasteoftime on Dec 12, 2017 8:15:09 GMT
I agree we should have spare imports however, more worrying for me is the P.P. now twenty odd games into the season and it seems to be getting worse.What do they do in training?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 8:46:41 GMT
I agree we should have spare imports however, more worrying for me is the P.P. now twenty odd games into the season and it seems to be getting worse.What do they do in training? I ll tell you why it's so bad is because our fantastic coach has been long found out on our he tries to get his team's set up on the pp ! It's the same old same boring cycling going no where stuff. It's never changed in 10 years. It must be easy to defend against. Once you forecheck Panthers high it's job done ! |
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Post by bobness on Dec 12, 2017 9:44:45 GMT
He’s a Devils fan Bob. 😉 They have 16 imports plus a Latvian dual national. That's why I'm careful to never say "we"... By the same logic, we already have 15, as you'd include Perlini? Rutkis has never played abroad, and doesn't play much for the Devils, Perlini has barely played in the UK since his voice broke, and is our top scorer. If you say Rutkis is an import, you need to include Perlini as well. And you should also count Luke Piggott, as he was born in Canada and is a dual national? But in reality is a Brit, just like Perlini and Rutkis. It's all a bit like arguing which way is best to walk round the park, for me. |
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Post by bobness on Dec 12, 2017 9:54:08 GMT
I agree we should have spare imports however, more worrying for me is the P.P. now twenty odd games into the season and it seems to be getting worse.What do they do in training? I ll tell you why it's so bad is because our fantastic coach has been long found out on our he tries to get his team's set up on the pp ! It's the same old same boring cycling going no where stuff. It's never changed in 10 years. It must be easy to defend against. Once you forecheck Panthers high it's job done ! This is the PP that is 5th of 12 in the league (very tight at the top, 7 teams between 22.34 and 24.76%), but only 1.38 percentage points behind the best? (Which is Steelers, BTW.) Panthers PK is second best in the league, also behind Steelers. Spare a thought for the Blaze, their PP% is less than half Panthers. What is also interesting is that Panthers have the second lowest PP advantages so far in the league. Stars have conceded 7 SHG this year, Fife yet to concede one. Stars and Caps the only 2 teams not to have scored a SHG this year. Storm and Giants have 5 each. |
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